"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[emperus]

That article reads like it was written by Baghdad Bob.

Pay no mind to the fact that the Berman pokes way more holes in the our case and he asked us questions for 45 minutes, he still questioned Brady for 25 minutes!

While I don't disagree he's trying to force a settlement, we all know that Goodell literally can't and won't at this point. And Brady won't because he's looking at this going why settle when there is no hard evidence proving he did anything wrong.

At least you expect that given it's NFL.com. Watching ESPN, you'd think, 1.) a hearing never happened and 2.) That both sides got drilled equally and the the NFL wasn't raked over the coals.

 

[cabri]

Lin

To move toward a settlement
NFL needs Brady to admit somewrong. Brady will not do so. Perjury exposure

From the NFL's corner of the ring, the key to unlocking the settlement is Brady having to "embrace that he shares responsibility" for the deflation of footballs prior to last season's AFC championship game, according to a source who spoke to Yahoo Sports on Wednesday. Further, an ESPN report said the league office insists Brady must "accept" the findings of Ted Wells' investigation. But the source said Brady is refusing, and that New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft remains "100 percent" behind his quarterback's stance.


Brady apparently sees any culpability as an admission of guilt. And agreeing to any form of "guilty" is off the table.

Tom Brady won't do it. He won't surrender any more flesh. From a legal perspective, he can't. If he did, he could be committing perjury. Think about that. We're not talking about his lawyers or his friends or some publicists. We're not even talking about some awkward news conferences or canned interviews. We're talking about the man sitting under oath, testifying that he is innocent. And those statements have now been marched into federal court, creating an even bigger problem if Brady suddenly decided to reverse course.
...

 

[Phokus]

Lin

To move toward a settlement
NFL needs Brady to admit somewrong. Brady will not do so. Perjury exposure

If i were the judge, i'd throw the book at the NFL on this alone. That's far from a good faith settlement offer and patently ridiculous.

 

[waggy]

Lin

To move toward a settlement
NFL needs Brady to admit somewrong. Brady will not do so. Perjury exposure

so far i haven't seen any PROOF that brady did something wrong. so far its "he should have known".

I can't say i blame brady for refusing to accept blame if he didn't do anything wrong.

also..science is on his side...

 

[TraumaRN]

At least you expect that given it's NFL.com. Watching ESPN, you'd think, 1.) a hearing never happened and 2.) That both sides got drilled equally and the the NFL wasn't raked over the coals.

Which is exactly what I'd expect from ESPN at this point.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Which is exactly what I'd expect from ESPN at this point.

espn is to the nfl as fox news is to the gop - proficient, well-paid propagandists

 

[purbeast0]

so far i haven't seen any PROOF that brady did something wrong. so far its "he should have known".

I can't say i blame brady for refusing to accept blame if he didn't do anything wrong.

also..science is on his side...

there is absolutely no proof that he did anything wrong, which is why this entire thing has completely been blown out of proportion and is fucking retarded.

if brady got 4 games for "supposedly" knowing about deflated footballs, wtf is going to happen to this dude who broke dudes jaw? he going to be suspended for 2 years?

cause surely knowing 100% factually that someone sucker punched another teammate and broke his jaw is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than someone supposedly, with absolutely no proof, knowing that balls were deflated, when it's already been proven that it had 0 significance on the outcome of the game, and that brady played better with properly inflated balls after the half.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

there is absolutely no proof that he did anything wrong, which is why this entire thing has completely been blown out of proportion and is fucking retarded.

if brady got 4 games for "supposedly" knowing about deflated footballs, wtf is going to happen to this dude who broke dudes jaw? he going to be suspended for 2 years?

cause surely knowing 100% factually that someone sucker punched another teammate and broke his jaw is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than someone supposedly, with absolutely no proof, knowing that balls were deflated, when it's already been proven that it had 0 significance on the outcome of the game, and that brady played better with properly inflated balls after the half.

lawyer mode on

an issue concerning illegally tampering with the outcome of a game is entirely within the league's raison d'etre and is of critical importance, while an altercation between teammates in a non-competition setting must be of lesser magnitude.

lawyer mode off

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

off topic but:

To recap Ryan Clark’s comments: Geno Smith owed IK Enemkpali some money and apparently never paid him back. Nothing happened. This time (Tuesday), words were exchanged once, and the second time, Geno Smith put his finger in the man’s face and said, “well, you’re not going to do anything about it.”

lol
http://thebiglead.com/2015/08/12/geno-smith-refused-600-ik-enemkpali-600-pointed-finger/

Enemkpali just got claimed by the Bills also.

 

[purbeast0]

lawyer mode on

an issue concerning illegally tampering with the outcome of a game is entirely within the league's raison d'etre and is of critical importance, while an altercation between teammates in a non-competition setting must be of lesser magnitude.

lawyer mode off

i get that, but the game they were "caught" in, it didn't have any effect on the outcome of the game.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i get that, but the game they were "caught" in, it didn't have any effect on the outcome of the game.

whether or not the subject was successful in gaining an advantage is irrelevant. all contestants are expected to adhere to sporting regulations at all times.

 

[ControlD]

i get that, but the game they were "caught" in, it didn't have any effect on the outcome of the game.

I agree it had no outcome on the game, or at least it wasn't the difference. However, I also don't believe that should be the deciding factor at all. Either they cheated or they didn't. The final score has no bearing on that. You can't just go around saying "Yeah we cheated but we would have won anyhow". It doesn't work like that.

The only question that needs to be answered if whether or not the Pats cheated (and I sure don't know the answer to that either).

One thing that bothers me in regards to the way the story has shifted, at least for the Boston-centric. What possible motivation would the NFL have to frame the Pats? Tom Brady is damned near the face of the NFL and the Pats are the premier team. I can't fathom any reason the NFL (and ESPN for the matter) would be "out to get them". It just doesn't make any sense and that whole argument just seems silly to me.

 

[emperus]

I agree it had no outcome on the game, or at least it wasn't the difference. However, I also don't believe that should be the deciding factor at all. Either they cheated or they didn't. The final score has no bearing on that. You can't just go around saying "Yeah we cheated but we would have won anyhow". It doesn't work like that.

The only question that needs to be answered if whether or not the Pats cheated (and I sure don't know the answer to that either).

One thing that bothers me in regards to the way the story has shifted, at least for the Boston-centric. What possible motivation would the NFL have to frame the Pats? Tom Brady is damned near the face of the NFL and the Pats are the premier team. I can't fathom any reason the NFL (and ESPN for the matter) would be "out to get them". It just doesn't make any sense and that whole argument just seems silly to me.

I think the fine of the team tells you everything. They took away a #1 and #4 pick for something that there was no direct evidence of. They are trying to cripple the Pats into parity.

Listen to the reporting of the quotes out of the other owners; NY/Indy/Baltimore.

 

[ControlD]

I think the fine of the team tells you everything. They took away a #1 and #4 pick for something that there was no direct evidence of. They are trying to cripple the Pats into parity.

Yeah, I just don't buy that at all. I fully believe this was handled more than a little poorly, but I just don't see this being some conspiracy against the Pats. Could it be the NFL jumped the gun and is trying to save face? That seems more logical to me. I mean, this is the first Superbowl the Pats have won in 10 years. I'm not sure there is much of a parity concern honestly. Seems like the Giants or Steelers would be getting crippled into parity as well.

 

[purbeast0]

I agree it had no outcome on the game, or at least it wasn't the difference. However, I also don't believe that should be the deciding factor at all. Either they cheated or they didn't. The final score has no bearing on that. You can't just go around saying "Yeah we cheated but we would have won anyhow". It doesn't work like that.

The only question that needs to be answered if whether or not the Pats cheated (and I sure don't know the answer to that either).

One thing that bothers me in regards to the way the story has shifted, at least for the Boston-centric. What possible motivation would the NFL have to frame the Pats? Tom Brady is damned near the face of the NFL and the Pats are the premier team. I can't fathom any reason the NFL (and ESPN for the matter) would be "out to get them". It just doesn't make any sense and that whole argument just seems silly to me.

there is still absolutely 0 proof of brady having any involvement, or it even being intentional.

 

[ControlD]

there is still absolutely 0 proof of brady having any involvement, or it even being intentional.

I'm not disagreeing with that.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Seems like the Giants or Steelers would be getting crippled into parity as well.

what other teams have an owner more influential than jerry jones, al davis or lamar hunt, are perennial title contenders or outright favorites for about a decade and a half, and are still effectively unopposed in their division?

when you're number 1, everyone is gunning for you. kraft's "rivals" (quotation used dismissively) have given up fielding a team that can match the patriots by constructive means, and have resorted to destructive (and bogus) means to enforce some kind of parity.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ all the "free brady" shirts on at the game. brady getting his first live action right now.

he just went 3 and out, he sucks. he needs to have his people deflate the balls before his next drive.

 

[emperus]

Yeah, I just don't buy that at all. I fully believe this was handled more than a little poorly, but I just don't see this being some conspiracy against the Pats. Could it be the NFL jumped the gun and is trying to save face? That seems more logical to me. I mean, this is the first Superbowl the Pats have won in 10 years. I'm not sure there is much of a parity concern honestly. Seems like the Giants or Steelers would be getting crippled into parity as well.

Giants? You have to be kidding me. What was their record last season? Giants suck. Even their superbowl runs were fluky. When have the Patriots had a losing season? The Patrtiots perennially win their division and win about 10 games a season.

 

[ControlD]

what other teams have an owner more influential than jerry jones, al davis or lamar hunt, are perennial title contenders or outright favorites for about a decade and a half, and are still effectively unopposed in their division?

when you're number 1, everyone is gunning for you. kraft's "rivals" (quotation used dismissively) have given up fielding a team that can match the patriots by constructive means, and have resorted to destructive (and bogus) means to enforce some kind of parity.

The Pats have won one Super Bowl in 10 years. Somehow I don't think the league in general feels a need to hatch some grand conspiracy to gain parity.

I would hope Kraft has more influence than Al Davis and Lamar Hunt. They are dead afterall

** edit **
Two in the last 10 years. Base 10 math is hard.

 

[ControlD]

Giants? You have to be kidding me. What was their record last season? Giants suck. Even their superbowl runs were fluky. When have the Patriots had a losing season? The Patrtiots perennially win their division and win about 10 games a season.

The point is the Giants and Steelers have have the same or more Super Bowl wins in the last decade than the Patriots. There is already parity in the league.

 

[stockwiz]

If you're name is on the guest list, no one can take you higher....

 

[BUTCH1]

I agree it had no outcome on the game, or at least it wasn't the difference. However, I also don't believe that should be the deciding factor at all. Either they cheated or they didn't. The final score has no bearing on that. You can't just go around saying "Yeah we cheated but we would have won anyhow". It doesn't work like that.

The only question that needs to be answered if whether or not the Pats cheated (and I sure don't know the answer to that either).

One thing that bothers me in regards to the way the story has shifted, at least for the Boston-centric. What possible motivation would the NFL have to frame the Pats? Tom Brady is damned near the face of the NFL and the Pats are the premier team. I can't fathom any reason the NFL (and ESPN for the matter) would be "out to get them". It just doesn't make any sense and that whole argument just seems silly to me.

Because of 2 reasons, 1st Bill B is a great coach in a lot of ways but he's also great at employing tactics that take advantage of an existing rule (as in the eligible/ineigible player swaps to confuse a defense, totally legal at the time but deemed "sneaky" by the Colts.) 2nd if because of Goodell's (former) close relationship with Kraft, some owners and league officials felt the Patriots would be able to "get away" with anything because of this dynamic and by going after the Pat's and Brady hard he was trying to prove "I'm in no one's pocket". His issues now IMO are that he pissed off Judge Berhman last week when he started the hard-ball talk "we will NOT budge from 4 games" like his CBA was an iron-clad excuse to act like he can't lose here. Don't fool yourself to think Berhman isn't keen to what's going on in the media, I think he is and Goodell's shit got thrown in Nash's face Wednesday in a big way. This whole 'I'm gonna prove myself as the toughest ever" and his lies that were revealed when the transcript was released has turned public sentiment completely in Brady's favor and that's even considering most people think he had a role in it. Let's face it, the Brady's, Manning's, Rodger's, Watt's are star players people WANT TO SEE PLAYING, not sitting out suspensions from an ego-inflated asshole. Many advertisers who paid big bucks to run ad's when the Patriots play are NOT going to be happy about Brady's absence because I'm sure ad-time during a game when the defending SB champs were playing was priced accordingly, now we're talking lost $$ and that will get the attention of the owners who don't have an agenda against the Pats but will lose $$ so fuck-face can go play tough guy.

 

[ControlD]

Let's face it, the Brady's, Manning's, Rodger's, Watt's are star players people WANT TO SEE PLAYING, not sitting out suspensions from an ego-inflated asshole. Many advertisers who paid big bucks to run ad's when the Patriots play are NOT going to be happy about Brady's absence because I'm sure ad-time during a game when the defending SB champs were playing was priced accordingly, now we're talking lost $$ and that will get the attention of the owners who don't have an agenda against the Pats but will lose $$ so fuck-face can go play tough guy.

I agree with this. That's why it seems weird that the NFL would actually conspire to make all of this up. I think it is more likely that Goodell jumped the gun and his ego got in the way.

I still think something fishy went on to get all of this started, but at the same time I also feel it has been blown out of proportion.

 

[emperus]

The point is the Giants and Steelers have have the same or more Super Bowl wins in the last decade than the Patriots. There is already parity in the league.

Superbowl wins isn't what determines parity. The Patriots have been to the AFC championship game 9 times since 2001 that's 9 times in 14 years. In those 14 years they have been to 6 super bowls and won 4. They even had 1 16-0 season. You really can't be arguing that the Patriots aren't the pinnacle of the league and that they don't defy the NFL attempt at parity in the salary cap era.