"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[waggy]

I agree with this. That's why it seems weird that the NFL would actually conspire to make all of this up. I think it is more likely that Goodell jumped the gun and his ego got in the way.

I still think something fishy went on to get all of this started, but at the same time I also feel it has been blown out of proportion.

I don't know. its really odd for goodell going nuts like he is. To the point he is ignoring science. reality. etc.

He is hurting the NFL brand far more then he is helping it. its really fucked up.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Superbowl wins isn't what determines parity. The Patriots have been to the AFC championship game 9 times since 2001 that's 9 times in 14 years. In those 14 years they have been to 6 super bowls and won 4. They even had 1 16-0 season. You really can't be arguing that the Patriots aren't the pinnacle of the league and that they don't defy the NFL attempt at parity in the salary cap error.

error, or era?

 

[ControlD]

I don't know. its really odd for goodell going nuts like he is. To the point he is ignoring science. reality. etc.

He is hurting the NFL brand far more then he is helping it. its really fucked up.

I agree. I think he has backed himself into a corner now with no good way out.

 

[waggy]

preseason is such a mix bag. most of it sucks..but it's football.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I just don't get why the NFL suddenly decided to care about air pressure. Which is why I keep falling back on the fact that this is basically some type of owner vendetta being played out by Goodell. The thing that's even crazier is that they went all in before getting all of the facts so now they can't back out even though the science shows that the balls were likely within legal limit at kick off. Even if someone stuck a needle in them they were still good to go based on scientific proof.

So what exactly is the problem here? Even if there are texts. Even if there is a guy named the Deflator. None of it matters because the balls were still within the limit at kick off per science shown in the Wells Report. You even have Wells basically admitting this in the same report!

 

[Phoenix86]

error, or era?

Yes.

 

[Phokus]

preseason is such a mix bag. most of it sucks..but it's football.

A football like substance

 

[Phoenix86]

A football like substance

:thumbsup:

 

[norseamd]

Which is why I keep falling back on the fact that this is basically some type of owner vendetta being played out by Goodell.

Might not even be a vendetta but a way to try and make the NFL seem more reputable.

 

[TraumaRN]

I just don't get why the NFL suddenly decided to care about air pressure. Which is why I keep falling back on the fact that this is basically some type of owner vendetta being played out by Goodell. The thing that's even crazier is that they went all in before getting all of the facts so now they can't back out even though the science shows that the balls were likely within legal limit at kick off. Even if someone stuck a needle in them they were still good to go based on scientific proof.

So what exactly is the problem here? Even if there are texts. Even if there is a guy named the Deflator. None of it matters because the balls were still within the limit at kick off per science shown in the Wells Report. You even have Wells basically admitting this in the same report!

Have you heard much about concussions, domestic violence, players suspended for PEDs or illegal drugs?

No?

Then deflategate is doing it's job.

 

[waggy]

Have you heard much about concussions, domestic violence, players suspended for PEDs or illegal drugs?

No?

Then deflategate is doing it's job.

that is a good point.

Might not even be a vendetta but a way to try and make the NFL seem more reputable.

more or less reputable? because i don't think goodell knows what he is doing..

 

[BUTCH1]

NFLPA submits new briefs to the Judge on Friday, Kessler is one hell of a lawyer, win or lose I'd say Brady got his $$'s worth, link.

 

[TheGardener]

Might not even be a vendetta but a way to try and make the NFL seem more reputable.

I seem to remember that when the NFL owners locked out the players, there were less than a dozen players who filed a lawsuit against the NFL. Brady was one of them. Maybe this is the vendetta.

 

[BUTCH1]

I seem to remember that when the NFL owners locked out the players, there were less than a dozen players who filed a lawsuit against the NFL. Brady was one of them. Maybe this is the vendetta.

That was the NFLPA filing a motion to end the lockout so they picked high profile names, Brady, Manning, Bree's. As for the NFL being "more reputable", uh, no. They knew nothing about balls changing pressure in different temperatures, had a sloppy process in place using non-calibrated gauges and a select group of owners who are tired of the Patriots winning pressured Goodell to ramp up the incident from the AFCCG, at least 2 of them "leaked" false information to ESPN that 11 out of 12 balls were 2 PSI low, a complete fabrication that the league would not correct despite being asked by Patriot's counsel to do so. Then Goodell lying about Brady's testimony, (he got caught because they thought the appeal was never going to get released). Then after saying Well's was an "independent" investigator in the beginning it turned into "that's not important" when it was learned that Well's and Co acted as lawyers for the NFL during the Brady appeal. Most people think Brady did know about something but are so sickened by Goodell's (and Co) actions they are supporting Brady for the simple reason that the "integrity" Goodell likes to spout about is zero in the eyes of NFL fans at this point.

 

[BUTCH1]

Brady changed his plans at attending tomorrow's court date, he will stay with the team. Negotiations are "at a standstill" at this point as the only thing the league has offered is IF Brady make a full acceptance of the Well's report and profusely apologies to Goodell and Wells they "might" bring it down to 2 games. Sadly it does not look good IMO, probably the reason Brady had a scowl on his face last Wednesday after the hearings were over. I get the feeling Berman in chambers probably told him (and the NFLPA's lawyers) that he thinks that Goodell went way over the top with the punishment but he will probably rule in their favor anyway due to the wording of the CBA.

 

[waggy]

Brady changed his plans at attending tomorrow's court date, he will stay with the team. Negotiations are "at a standstill" at this point as the only thing the league has offered is IF Brady make a full acceptance of the Well's report and profusely apologies to Goodell and Wells they "might" bring it down to 2 games. Sadly it does not look good IMO, probably the reason Brady had a scowl on his face last Wednesday after the hearings were over. I get the feeling Berman in chambers probably told him (and the NFLPA's lawyers) that he thinks that Goodell went way over the top with the punishment but he will probably rule in their favor anyway due to the wording of the CBA.

yeah Brady is insane if he takes the deal. he agrees to far to much for a "might".

if it prolong the lolz im good though.

 

[Phoenix86]

yeah Brady is insane if he takes the deal. he agrees to far to much for a "might".

if it prolong the lolz im good though.

He really doesn't have a reason to take any deal unless it's incredibly generous. At this point, he's standing on moral ground and I seriously doubt he cares about 4 games or 2.

I have never really been a Brady fan, I always respected his ability, but he's been lukewarm to me. Any delay or reduction means we face them in week 4, and I just don't care. I hope he wins.

 

[BUTCH1]

I just don't get why the NFL suddenly decided to care about air pressure. Which is why I keep falling back on the fact that this is basically some type of owner vendetta being played out by Goodell. The thing that's even crazier is that they went all in before getting all of the facts so now they can't back out even though the science shows that the balls were likely within legal limit at kick off. Even if someone stuck a needle in them they were still good to go based on scientific proof.

So what exactly is the problem here? Even if there are texts. Even if there is a guy named the Deflator. None of it matters because the balls were still within the limit at kick off per science shown in the Wells Report. You even have Wells basically admitting this in the same report!

The "problem" is the hate for all things Patriots in the front office, Kensil (the fine chap who "leaked" fake information that 11/12 balls were 2 PSI low got everyone thinking it was a real big deal when in fact the balls were a "fe ticks' under 12.5, some of the Colts balls were below 12.5, (3/4 tested) and they ad 20 minuites to warm up while they were testing the Pat's balls, twice. FYI Kensil was working for the jets when BB quit and signed on with the pats, Troy Vincent was regularly beaten to a pulp by the Pat's during his playing years, pressure excreted on Goodell by certain owners to push this silliness to the mess where it is now. I wouldn't blame Brady if he retired and said a big "fuck you" to the corrupt assholes who maintain the "integrity" of the game. First the Wells team was supposed to be an "independent" investigator, then when the transcripts from the appeal were unexpectedly released we heard " the CBA does not call for an "independent" investigator, it's irrelevant. While you will find no shortage of people who hate all things Patriots even they have to be concerned with the lack of "integrity" displayed by the NFL throughout this long ordeal.

 

[Phokus]

The judge seems to be agreeing with Brady's lawyer's argument about 'general awareness':

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/berman-agrees-kessler-general-awareness-issue

Also, in the video in the article, a lawyer who writes for Sports Illustrated seems to argue that the judge being interested in the actual factual evidence in the case is bad news for the NFL.

 

[cabri]

Link

League Hasn't Distributed Official Gauges

NFL has issued a memo to equipment managers apologizing for the fact that they still haven't gotten their new pressure gauges, per source.

According to Mike Florio, the NFL puts the blame on Wilson, the sports equipment company, for not yet delivering the new pressure gauges.

...

It takes 3+ months to purchase 100 quality gauges

Why do they have to come from Wilson?
And what do the equipment managers have to do with it; that is what the original issue was; the NFL did not retain control of the footballs at all times.

 

[Phoenix86]

Link

League Hasn't Distributed Official Gauges



It takes 3+ months to purchase 100 quality gauges

Why do they have to come from Wilson?
And what do the equipment managers have to do with it; that is what the original issue was; the NFL did not retain control of the footballs at all times.

You'd want them all from the same manufacturer so you don't have "different gauges" argument in the future.

Certified test equipment isn't always laying around on the shelf and certainly not in that quantity. You say 3+ months, but when was the order placed?

 

[emperus]

Hopefully Berman's comments reflect how he plans on ruling.

daniel kaplan
‏@dkaplanSBJ
Judge Berman concerned that NFL did not make jeff pash available to testify, said other cases vacated over such an issue

 

[SP33Demon]

Latest issue of ESPN the mag anonymously surveyed 106 NFL players, page 62.

Do you think the patriots deflated game balls? Yes 72%

Do you think deflated footballs affect the outcome of games? Yes 48%

I think other teams illegally tamper with balls. Yes 68%

So if most teams are doing this, why are the pats one of the few teams stupid enough to get caught? lulululz

On a sidenote, most players (78%) think the 4 game suspension was too harsh for Brady. So there is that.

 

[Fingolfin269]

So if most teams are doing this, why are the pats one of the few teams stupid enough to get caught? lulululz

Isn't it obvious? As you said most teams are likely doing it so all it takes is someone (Goodell) to decide this is going to be the game where we finally decide to bust someone (Patriots).

 

[emperus]

Latest issue of ESPN the mag anonymously surveyed 106 NFL players, page 62.

Do you think the patriots deflated game balls? Yes 72%

Do you think deflated footballs affect the outcome of games? Yes 48%

I think other teams illegally tamper with balls. Yes 68%

So if most teams are doing this, why are the pats one of the few teams stupid enough to get caught? lulululz

On a sidenote, most players (78%) think the 4 game suspension was too harsh for Brady. So there is that.

The problems still is that there is 0 evidence that the balls were purposefully deflated. That 72% number is part and parcel of the amazing propaganda the NFL has put out combined with the unbelievable dislike of the Patriots and how they have thrashed most of the league.