"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[angminas]

Maybe the play call in that spot was the wrong one but your discounting Butler's pick, you can't, as an NFL fan, not say that was the best defensive play in a SB, ever.

You are, of course, joking.

 

[JEDI]

haven't read any of the posts.

im assuming this is about tom brady's punishment and de facto guilty of cheating.

now the superbowl was a blowout.
but what if the patriots only won by 3 points?

do u think the nfl commish would have taken away the superbowl win and given it to the other team?

 

[angminas]

Stop saying superbowl. That's like saying tombrady.

 

[gorcorps]

haven't read any of the posts.

im assuming this is about tom brady's punishment and de facto guilty of cheating.

now the superbowl was a blowout.
but what if the patriots only won by 3 points?

do u think the nfl commish would have taken away the superbowl win and given it to the other team?

Superbowl was a blowout?

Am I missing something or did we watch a different game? I remember a very exciting finish that came down to the end where the seahawks threw an interception to pretty much end the game. People said passing in that situation was the dumbest thing Carol could have done. It was one of the better SBs in recent memory.

 

[KeithTalent]

Ridiculous punishment. That suspension better get reduced on appeal; it's just absurd.

KT

 

[BUTCH1]

You are, of course, joking.

#1,Gimmie pick, nice runback with a lot of help
#2, guy got lazy and stopped running, thought no one was able to catch him, more dumb than great play.
#3, Basic tackle with a good wrap-up
None of these compares to Butlers pick, to hang on to that ball, at that odd angle was amazing.

 

[BUTCH1]

Superbowl was a blowout?

Am I missing something or did we watch a different game? I remember a very exciting finish that came down to the end where the seahawks threw an interception to pretty much end the game. People said passing in that situation was the dumbest thing Carol could have done. It was one of the better SBs in recent memory.

He must have meant the championship game.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

well, let's not forget that it was the Brady and Manning team that lobbied the NFL to update this rule to their standards several years ago...to give the teams control of the balls.

...for reasons.

You guys are still missing the point. Brady got slapped as much for not cooperating (and lying, let's be honest) as anything else:

Moreover, the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.

Do you guys SERIOUSLY believe Brady had no knowledge of this? I have to give props to Butch, as he seems to be the only Patriots fan who is calling Brady and the Patriots out.

 

[slayer202]

until that colts game, not one ref or opposing player noticed the deflated balls?

steroids and domestic abuse is a lesser issue?

the nfl is a joke and they keep proving it

 

[edro]

NFL punishments are getting stronger.
You can't use past punishments as a basis for current punishments.

Regardless of that, I think the penalty for Tom Brady is severe.
There is no direct evidence against him.
$1M for Patriots I am ok with since they have text message evidence of shenanigans with equipment manager.

 

[Jimzz]

You guys are still missing the point. Brady got slapped as much for not cooperating (and lying, let's be honest) as anything else:



Do you guys SERIOUSLY believe Brady had no knowledge of this? I have to give props to Butch, as he seems to be the only Patriots fan who is calling Brady and the Patriots out.

Yea people keep thinking this was about the balls but his suspension was unbecoming and not assisting in the investigation. So it will be harder to appeal, the league knew what it was doing and seem to be on solid ground.

 

[mrjminer]

Fucking crazy that Tom Brady was not suspended indefinitely.

Four games? What a fucking joke. Why even have fucking rules if giving your team a colossal advantage results in only a 4 game hit? This wasn't like he slapped some sticky shit on his hands. He bribed underlings employed by his team so he could break the rules constantly. Disgraceful.

 

[Genx87]

until that colts game, not one ref or opposing player noticed the deflated balls?

steroids and domestic abuse is a lesser issue?

the nfl is a joke and they keep proving it

I know this is like reviewing the film after the season and slapping the Patriots with a fine for holding during the season. It is really absurd in the overall scheme of the game.

Also a guy beats his GF unconscious and gets a 2 game suspension, team receives no penalty. Team deflates footballs 4 game suspension, loss of draft picks, and 1 million dollar fine. The NFL is showing their priorities are in the shitter.

 

[lupi]

Yall are delusional for thinking it's a bad decision and will get overturned.

You can continue to ignore the several people telling you quite correctly that this punishment is more about integrity of the game by not cooperating with the league investigation than actual participation in the initial act, but that is what happened and little chance of that getting cut down.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

until that colts game, not one ref or opposing player noticed the deflated balls?

Actually, the Colts did notice deflated balls from a game earlier in the season against the Patriots when Brady was intercepted. That's exactly why the Colts emailed the NFL *BEFORE THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP* and asked them to keep an eye on the balls. I thought I heard the Ravens had concerns as well but I might be mistaken.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yall are delusional for thinking it's a bad decision and will get overturned.

You can continue to ignore the several people telling you quite correctly that this punishment is more about integrity of the game by not cooperating with the league investigation than actual participation in the initial act, but that is what happened and little chance of that getting cut down.

Call me cynical, but I believe it will go to arbitration and the penalty will be reduced and I think Goodell and Kraft have a "wink, wink" agreement to that effect. Of course, I also think the 4 game suspension was intentionally chosen so that Brady's return would coincide with their game against the Colts on Sunday Night Football. It will be a ratings bonanza!

 

[Genx87]

Yall are delusional for thinking it's a bad decision and will get overturned.

You can continue to ignore the several people telling you quite correctly that this punishment is more about integrity of the game by not cooperating with the league investigation than actual participation in the initial act, but that is what happened and little chance of that getting cut down.

Hahaha I sarcastically use this response on another msgboard about this topic. Integrity of the game lol

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yall are delusional for thinking it's a bad decision and will get overturned.

You can continue to ignore the several people telling you quite correctly that this punishment is more about integrity of the game by not cooperating with the league investigation than actual participation in the initial act, but that is what happened and little chance of that getting cut down.

And his lawyer will cite all of the prior punishments around the integrity of the game, like the Panthers/Vikings game where both teams were heating up balls in the middle of the game. No punishment just a warning. Or San Diego trying to hide a towel with stickem on it from the refs, $25k fine. Ray Rice, etc....

I can't think of one case taken to an independent arbitrator where the fine wasn't either reduced or nullified. Bounty gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc all examples.

 

[Genx87]

And his lawyer will cite all of the prior punishments around the integrity of the game, like the Panthers/Vikings game where both teams were heating up balls in the middle of the game. No punishment just a warning. Or San Diego trying to hide a towel with stickem on it from the refs, $25k fine. Ray Rice, etc....

I can't think of one case taken to an independent arbitrator where the fine wasn't either reduced or nullified. Bounty gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc all examples.

The whole integrity of the game is so ridiculous at this point. This is a league that in the last 12 months was going to let Ray Rice who knocked his GF the eff out serve a 2 game suspension. They werent going to do anything to Adrian Peterson who beat his kid with a tree branch until public outcry forced their hand. And then they change their non-profit standing so they can shield themselves from criticism over executive pay. The NFL is so far out of touch with reality they dont know what integrity of the game even means anymore. Nor do I believe they really care as long as the money keeps flowing.

 

[brainhulk]

You can choose your crime, you shall not be able to choose your punishment
:awe:

Just accept it. It is what it is

 

[KeithTalent]

until that colts game, not one ref or opposing player noticed the deflated balls?

steroids and domestic abuse is a lesser issue?

the nfl is a joke and they keep proving it

100% this.

KT

 

[Phoenix86]

well, let's not forget that it was the Brady and Manning team that lobbied the NFL to update this rule to their standards several years ago...to give the teams control of the balls.

...for reasons.

Actually, it's for the reasons that happened here. They were very blunt about wanting different feels to balls. Now being out of spec is of course another matter and extremely predictable, but they were honest about their intent.

 

[slayer202]

Actually, the Colts did notice deflated balls from a game earlier in the season against the Patriots when Brady was intercepted. That's exactly why the Colts emailed the NFL *BEFORE THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP* and asked them to keep an eye on the balls. I thought I heard the Ravens had concerns as well but I might be mistaken.

so it's the nfl's fault for not checking the balls

Yall are delusional for thinking it's a bad decision and will get overturned.

You can continue to ignore the several people telling you quite correctly that this punishment is more about integrity of the game by not cooperating with the league investigation than actual participation in the initial act, but that is what happened and little chance of that getting cut down.

if I were tom brady, there would be zero chance in hell, guilty or innocent, that I'd turn my phone over to the fucking nfl. hopefully he'll get a neutral arbitrator and the suspension will get shut down. the rest of the fines/penalties are fine

 

[lupi]

And his lawyer will cite all of the prior punishments around the integrity of the game, like the Panthers/Vikings game where both teams were heating up balls in the middle of the game. No punishment just a warning. Or San Diego trying to hide a towel with stickem on it from the refs, $25k fine. Ray Rice, etc....

I can't think of one case taken to an independent arbitrator where the fine wasn't either reduced or nullified. Bounty gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc all examples.

And you aren't understanding of why they were punished. Vike-panthers was ballboys doing something during a game in full public view. When seen they were told that was against the rules, they stopped and NFL sent out a reminder memo.

At the time, the chargers towel issue wasn't against the rule, but the NFL though the sideline person was being intentionall elusive when he was to be questioned. The NFL then fined the team.

Members of the patriots did not participate in the NFL investigation about an incident that was likely going on for some time after previously clamoring about their on field use of trick formations as "learn the rules we knew them" and having been penalized for a history of violating the rules of game recording.

So actually you could say they've been pretty consistent. The others mentioned have nothing to do with integrity of the game and are of no use unless you want to go herring fishing.

 

[KeithTalent]

Lol integrity of the game.

KT