"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[IndyColtsFan]

But...but...the NFL was going to exonerate the Patriots!!! Everyone (networks, NFL, etc) was going to apologize to them!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

 

[videogames101]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/

this whole thing is a farce

Integrity of the NFL??? The Saints lost fewer draft picks for putting BOUNTIES ON INJURYING PLAYERS.

Someone around Goodell doesn't like the pats, #integrity

 

[emperus]

The Pats have a bad reputation now, of cheating. Funny how they're equating this to steroids, because I think doctoring balls is worse. Softer balls (no pun intended) are easier to grip, and its hard to force a fumble. Yeah, that's one hell of an advantage.

I think Brady was doomed when those text messages came out.

That is why it is only a 25k fine for doctoring them right?

 

[dud]

Just read the news about the penalties heaped upon the Patriots by the NFL. My guess is that the Patriots and Brady will appeal this "punishment" and may very we'll prevail as The NFL and commish are pretty much combat ineffective.

Interested to hear how others (especially Pats fans) think this latest instance of NE pushing the rules will affect their legacy?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

That's a crap punishment.. the Falcons pumping in crowd noise is worse IMO but wasn't punished nearly as bad.

i thought it was indy with the audio and ventilation. or am i thinking of the twins?

 

[rudeguy]

But...but...the NFL was going to exonerate the Patriots!!! Everyone (networks, NFL, etc) was going to apologize to them!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

It's only a $25k fine. That's all the rules allow for.

It was posted here so that has to be true.

 

[Ban Bot]

Forgot about the Browns thing.. not even a draft pick!

It seems the crutch of the matter is how the issue was approached. Farmer got 4 games and Cleveland a $250,000 fine, there is a big difference in their approach:

Farmer previously copped to the texting at the combine taking "full responsibility" for the illegal (by NFL rules) in-game communication.

"It was me," Farmer said. "I take full responsibility for myself and my actions. I misplayed the platform."

Ironically, it is likely some day soon texting will be permitted. Right now only certain methods of communication are approved/sanctioned and that was the issue. Farmer could have ran down to the field.

The timing of all this is actually very kind to Brady. What if the NFL had suspended him last season or in the playoffs? And what of the 1st round pick--the Wells report came after the draft, protecting this years #1. Brady, who only has a couple years left, would certainly want this years #1 and lose next years instead of vice versa.

It is hilarious reading all the posts about Brady is innocent. Brady said he was very particular about the balls. He knew the equipment guys and they are on record stating he gets pissed when the balls are overinflated. The texts are absolutely damning. But Brady thought he would outgame the NFL and denied knowing the equipment guy and refused to cooperate. Once they determined he should have known (which he would have and did to a degree) and he was making a circus of the issue they had to throw the book at him.

I think he would have got off free and clear if he just admitted he liked his balls as deflated as possible.

Tom Brady: "Do I like my balls soft? Heck yeah! I ask my equipment guys to get them as flat as possible. And then I have Gronk spike the balls. You have all seen the Gronk smash, right? Why do you think I throw it to him so much! No one softens a ball like Gronk--No where in the rules you cannot smash the balls a little bit. That is why I let the kickers boot them a couple times and why we fill them in warm rooms. It isn't a big deal. It is just how I like my balls. Aaron likes his as hard as a rock. Everyone has a preference. That is why the NFL let teams prep their own balls in 2007. We all try to get the best ball possible within the rules. This isn't baseball where a scuffed ball is unusable. Footballs get wet, grimy, dirty. If the other team doesn't like our ball prep then that is OK with me--they have their own balls and can do whatever they like with them. I don't care, they could put helium in them as far as we care. It is a non-issue as far as we are concerned. All that matters is the refs OK the balls and are OK with the balls when they swap them in and out all game. As long as the refs are ok with the balls I am ok with the balls."

Brady had the opportunity to defuse the situation with HUMOR, uncharge the situation by putting the onus on the refs approving the balls and the fact the Pats don't care what the other team does. And remind everyone: This is football, not baseball. We don't whine about wet balls and scuffs. And by inciting a reference to baseball it subconsciously broaches the fact baseball has all these rules and a long history of gamesmanship, even cheating, in regards to bats and balls. You get caught in baseball the ball/bat get taken away. Rarely nothing more, even for serial cheaters. And by admitting he likes his balls soft (without admitting to cheating) he would have had the opportunity to frame the situation how he wanted.

Nope. He lied about something STUPID and refused to cooperate (I agree I wouldn't want them having my phone--think of the "secret" PED testing in baseball that was leaked) and instead of getting ahead of the issue he helped make it a circus, detract from the biggest game of the year, and since the texts are quite damning he is cast in the worst light possible to everyone but the most blind Pats fans.

On the other hand I can believe BB was not involved. Or didn't care as long as Brady was happy with his balls. BB if I remember correctly didn't lie (as far as we know) during Spygate, either. For that reason I am not onboard with the 1st rounder.--unless it is punishment to Kraft who, after publically stating he would cooperate and accused the league, then turned tail privately when more and more information came about through text. If that is the case, well, let's get out the popcorn because Kraft must be ready to slam the league. From February:

“If the investigation is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs, I would expect and hope the league would apologize to our entire team and in particular coach Belichick and Tom Brady for what they’ve had to endure this past week,” Kraft said with conviction.

“I’m disappointed in the way this entire matter has been handled. We expect hard facts as opposed to circumstantial leaked evidence to drive the conclusion of this investigation.”

Kraft has already bunkered into the camp that there is no "hard evidence" but little will be said of “completely cooperative and transparent”. Kraft made his own bed, too.

 

[Ban Bot]

That is why it is only a 25k fine for doctoring them right?

You have been listening to Tom Brady's agent too much. He was called out on this a couple days back. The rule is:

“Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers and coaches are allowed to alter the footballs in any way. If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000.”

So when Yee says the following

“I believe that the rule book has a fine for tampering with footballs, and the fine amount is $25,000,” Yee told Dan Patrick. “Which in today’s NFL is fairly small, relative to some of the other fines that have been given out.”

He is a total liar. He knows that is not what it says. He is a lawyer and knows the difference between a flat rate fine and "including but not limited to". He is doing damage control so he can frame the issue as insignificant and whine about any punishment more than such as extravagant abuse of powers.

And he has obviously done a good job of disseminating such misinformation in the Boston area.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Just read the news about the penalties heaped upon the Patriots by the NFL. My guess is that the Patriots and Brady will appeal this "punishment" and may very we'll prevail as The NFL and commish are pretty much combat ineffective.

Interested to hear how others (especially Pats fans) think this latest instance of NE pushing the rules will affect their legacy?

my friend is extremely upset over the possible tarnishing of the all-american good guy image. i am not, because i live in the real world where i have bigger problems than this. also, in games i am a bit of a "rules lawyer" and expect the same of any serious competitor.

 

[Retro Rob]

That is why it is only a 25k fine for doctoring them right?

Doesn't matter, really, as this entire fiasco will cost Brady about 2 Million in salary (if it stands).

Who cares about what the actual act of doctoring costs them?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

what some people wish to interpret as proof of guilt is pretty startling. maybe it's just circular logic. this diarrhea is just 1 example:

Brady said he was very particular about the balls. He knew the equipment guys and they are on record stating he gets pissed when the balls are overinflated.

so you'd see him as innocent if the opposoite of your statement were true? let me try to wrap my head around how fucking stupid that is...

1. you're saying an elite competitor in an intensely competitive, high profile sport should not at all be concerned about the minutiae of equipment, environment, et cetera. he should not even know of who handles the equipment which he uses and that his team has custody of, according to league rules.

2. you're saying that because no. 1 is not true, he must be guilty of... something.

i can't even take that position seriously as a legitimate point of view. it doesn't pass the bullshit sniff test, so it gets thrown in the garbage bin with all the other sour grapes that's been dished out by trolls continuously for a decade now.

 

[videogames101]

Legacy?

How about the NFL's legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u40mJ_ls5VE

 

[purbeast0]

fucking retarded. there is no proof and they suspended him. this is such a non issue too. only reason this is happening is to keep the nfl as the #1 story in the sports world in the midst of the NHL and NBA playoffs.

 

[lupi]

For the most part they don't need the smoking gun truth, several of those involved declined to participate with the investigation which elevated the issue more than the actual fact.

 

[KMFJD]

What a load of shit....

 

[Capt Caveman]

I look forward to the investigation on why Indy had 3 out of 4 balls under-inflated. Oh wait, it's not New England, forget that.

 

[rudeguy]

Embrace the butthurt. Let it control you.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I look forward to the investigation on why Indy had 3 out of 4 balls under-inflated. Oh wait, it's not New England, forget that.

Just like you looked forward to the NFL exonerating the Patriots. :awe:

Let the NFL investigate the Colts - if they did something similar to the Patriots, I'll be first in line calling for punishment.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

fucking retarded. there is no proof and they suspended him. this is such a non issue too. only reason this is happening is to keep the nfl as the #1 story in the sports world in the midst of the NHL and NBA playoffs.

And of course, conveniently, Brady's first game back is against the Colts on national TV. I'm SURE the NFL NEVER thought about the ratings implications there. NEVER, I'm sure.

 

[IronWing]

Send a hobbit to bite the ring off his hand and be done with it.


Too bad I'm no good at animated gifs.

 

[cabri]

Just like you looked forward to the NFL exonerating the Patriots. :awe:

Let the NFL investigate the Colts - if they did something similar to the Patriots, I'll be first in line calling for punishment.

they do not want to investigate; they would actually have to do something against another team then. all teams that have been accused and/or have evidence of ball manipulation would have to be looked at. And even handed results.

then they would also have to explain why the refs would have the footballs above specs.

Right now; they do not even have actual evidence against Brady; even their investigation has been shown to be flawed.

An appeal will show such; then the NFL again will have egg on their face.
Brady is not going to take this lying down.

This was a vendetta.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Just read the news about the penalties heaped upon the Patriots by the NFL. My guess is that the Patriots and Brady will appeal this "punishment" and may very we'll prevail as The NFL and commish are pretty much combat ineffective.

Interested to hear how others (especially Pats fans) think this latest instance of NE pushing the rules will affect their legacy?

I think if the NE and Brady goes to an independent arbitrator, the punishment will be nullified. There is not a single trace of evidence via text, video, etc of any football being deflated below the legal limit.

And sorry, if I'm Tom Brady, I'm not giving up my cell phone. The personal crap already leaked from the other two employees would be 100 times worse with Brady being who he is.

The punishment to ignorant haters, only cements their legacy to those nitwits as they can only win by cheating.

Yet, not a single QB in the league has commented on this issue b/c they doctor the football and try to play with illegal balls. We know that the 49ers, Cowboys, Broncos, Steelers, etc. have all been caught cheating or admitted to cheating during their SB runs.

http://yourteamcheats.com/

Compared to the Colts, Steelers, Jets and Broncos, NE have been choir boys.

Still a proud owner of this, that I won in a charity auction last week:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Just like you looked forward to the NFL exonerating the Patriots. :awe:

Let the NFL investigate the Colts - if they did something similar to the Patriots, I'll be first in line calling for punishment.

With no evidence, sure. But we know the hate is so great against the Pats that Goodell was going to punish them without a single text or piece of evidence that proved that the balls were deflated illegally.

But we know that it's alright to tank a season and the integrity of the league to get the first pick of the draft. But it'll be fun, smashing the Colts into the ground next season. Instead of drafting Malcom Brown to strengthen their defensive line, they draft another WR.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

they do not want to investigate; they would actually have to do something against another team then. all teams that have been accused and/or have evidence of ball manipulation would have to be looked at. And even handed results.

then they would also have to explain why the refs would have the footballs above specs.

Right now; they do not even have actual evidence against Brady; even their investigation has been shown to be flawed.

An appeal will show such; then the NFL again will have egg on their face.
Brady is not going to take this lying down.

This was a vendetta.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if it is thrown out on appeal and that was Goodell's plan all along. That's the best of both worlds for him -- he can claim he was being tough but his harsh punishment was thrown out by an arbitrator and his pal Kraft will be happy.

 

[brainhulk]

Wow, i was jk with all this controversy stuff, i was just really trying to needle pats fans