"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[Hacp]

Now, consider that the balls were inflated in a room that was at 85-90 degrees.

Also, the week before against the Ravens the temps were in the teens/single digits so the balls would have deflated below spec. Did the refs measure and inflate them back to spec during the game?

Room temperature is around 75F. The temperature at game time was around 50F. This was in the colts game. It is clear that the weather did not affect the pressure of the balls. p1/p2 = t1/t2. Pressure at 50F = 511/531 * 12.5 psi which is 12 psi.

 

[Phokus]

Only a complete idiot would think that the stakes are the same for cheating in regular season vs playoffs. And the Schefter video means nothing, the refs already weighed the ball during the game. That testimony alone is damning enough, you are so gullible that you will cling to any analyst that gives your fanboy brain a shred of hope.

Only a complete idiot thinks it matters whether it's a regular season game or postseason game. You do realize that temperature differences and gameplay could affect the PSI of the balls, right? It could have been the pre-season and you'd be doing equal amounts of pearl clutching.

 

[IronWing]

I have this thing called a job, i'm guessing you don't have one since you think that's reasonable. No, it's pretty fucking long actually. Even if i didn't have a job, i'm not going to read the whole damn thing just to score internet points when i've already won the argument. I guess i sorta trapped you because i posted that shit about the panthers without proof first because i was lazy, then you got indignant and just HAD to ATTEMPT to prove me 'wrong', sealing your fate and you got your ass handed to you when i posted the link. Now you think you know more than Football Analysts and the head of officiating who's responsible for the rules. Again, your mental gymnastics and bubble mentality is hilarious.

Meanwhile, the NFL rulebook says otherwise. Ignorance shall be your constant companion.

 

[Phokus]

Meanwhile, the NFL rulebook says otherwise. Ignorance shall be your constant companion.

Oh, you read through the whole rulebook and confirmed? LMAO.

 

[SP33Demon]

Funniest quote of the year:
"Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out." Tom Brady on the Baltimore Ravens.

Hall of Famer Troy Aikman yesterday:
"It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."

 

[SP33Demon]

Only a complete idiot thinks it matters whether it's a regular season game or postseason game. You do realize that temperature differences and gameplay could affect the PSI of the balls, right? It could have been the pre-season and you'd be doing equal amounts of pearl clutching.

You are complete fucking moron, cold temperature using Avogadro's Law was already proven false - yesterday. You only read what you want with your fanboy birdbrain.

 

[SP33Demon]

LMAO, just admit you guys got owned and you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quote of the year for ATOT. Guys, we got owned.

 

[Printer Bandit]

 

[Phokus]

You are complete fucking moron, cold temperature using Avogadro's Law was already proven false - yesterday. You only read what you want with your fanboy birdbrain.

Literally everything you wrote was wrong, about the Ravens, about Aaron Rodgers love of overinflated balls past NFL spec, about the NFL even finding evidence of tampering. Why should i believe what you're writing now? If the refs tested the balls before the game, it would be virtually impossible for the pats to deflate the balls without getting caught and getting in trouble. You're an idiot.

 

[cubby1223]

I have this thing called a job, i'm guessing you don't have one since you think that's reasonable. No, it's pretty fucking long actually. Even if i didn't have a job, i'm not going to read the whole damn thing just to score internet points when i've already won the argument. I guess i sorta trapped you because i posted that shit about the panthers without proof first because i was lazy, then you got indignant and just HAD to ATTEMPT to prove me 'wrong', sealing your fate and you got your ass handed to you when i posted the link. Now you think you know more than Football Analysts and the head of officiating who's responsible for the rules. Again, your mental gymnastics and bubble mentality is hilarious.

You have a job? Apologizes, didn't appear like you had one given the large number of posts today

The fact is, your "rule" isn't documented in the rulebook. Accept it. Stop whining.

 

[cubby1223]

Literally everything you wrote was wrong, about the Ravens, about Aaron Rodgers love of overinflated balls past NFL spec, about the NFL even finding evidence of tampering. Why should i believe what you're writing now? If the refs tested the balls before the game, it would be virtually impossible for the pats to deflate the balls without getting caught and getting in trouble. You're an idiot.

Holy crap the stupidity continues! Go back to work, your job is very important.

 

[Phokus]

You have a job? Apologizes, didn't appear like you had one given the large number of posts today

The fact is, your "rule" isn't documented in the rulebook. Accept it. Stop whining.

You're an armchair NFL rules official

A reminder:

As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday's game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

"You can't do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you're heating them up, whether it's a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can't do anything to the football," Blandino said. "So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can't do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters."

 

[KeithTalent]

Thread has gone full retard.

KT

 

[unixwizzard]

this story about sums it up..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/21/the-nfl-s-perfect-little-scandal.html

It’s not the complicated stuff we have chosen to forget because we ran out of energy as the league stalled and stalled until the clock ran out. It’s not the commissioner who ignored a domestic violence crisis, then hired the same company that negotiated the league’s latest TV deal to conduct an “independent investigation” to absolve the NFL and commissioner of any wrongdoing. It’s not the concussion problem, either, or the Pro Bowler on trial for allegedly murdering three people over two seasons.

...

A commissioner potentially avoiding a videotape for months of a player punching a woman, then hiring a friend of the family dressed as a detective, then releasing the results of that “report” (full clemency, of course!) as a news dump over the holidays?

...

What a perfect little scandal. The 2014-15 NFL season: The year the Patriots deflated the footballs, and nothing else.

Well played NFL, well played..

 

[cubby1223]

Room temperature is around 75F. The temperature at game time was around 50F. This was in the colts game. It is clear that the weather did not affect the pressure of the balls. p1/p2 = t1/t2. Pressure at 50F = 511/531 * 12.5 psi which is 12 psi.

That relationship does work for the pressure of gas in a constant volume. A football is not a constant volume. What is actually being measured is not the pressure inside but the difference between the pressure inside and the pressure outside. As the temperature drops, the pressure inside drops, but the pressure outside also drops.

 

[zinfamous]

Literally everything you wrote was wrong, about the Ravens, about Aaron Rodgers love of overinflated balls past NFL spec, about the NFL even finding evidence of tampering. Why should i believe what you're writing now? If the refs tested the balls before the game, it would be virtually impossible for the pats to deflate the balls without getting caught and getting in trouble. You're an idiot.

I've mostly skimmed the last 100 or so posts, because this thread has jumped the full retard bandwagon and rushed balls-deep into drooling imbecile territory, but I'll indulge this comment of yours, anyway.

--All I have seen from your responses is a flat rejection of irrefutable evidence. such as:

--Aaron Rodgers: "Yeah, I love to push balls past the limit, often above the allowed tolerance and see if the refs notice it."
--Phokus: "LMAO! You lied about Aaron Rodgers saying that--he has never overinflated the balls! LMAO-U-R-RETARD!"

--NFL investigation: "We tested all of the balls used during the game before, and after. It is clear that 11 of the 12 balls used by NE were underinflated."
--Phokus: "LMAO! You lied about the NFL finding evidence of tampering! LMAO! NE never did that! LMAO!"


When someone posts the rules, straight from the NFL rulebook--a primary source of information that is, literally, immune from bias--you respond with some random jamoke's interpretation of the rulebook.

It baffles me that you consider any of your responses relevant to the discussion.

All this being said, this is the biggest sports farce that I can recall. Yes--there is a reason to address what certainly appears to be a flat violation of the rules, whether it is an understood truth among all athletes in the league that is simply done and so everyone is guilty, and perhaps the Patriots with their well-documented history of flaunting the rules appear as the scapegoats in all of this, it remains something that needs to be addressed.

I don't for a second think that the Patriots should be replaced in the superbowl, that they should lose draft pics, that the Colts had more than a 2% chance of winning that game anyway, but at some point you have to revise the standard that Manning and Brady lobbied for: either continue to let them treat the balls how they wish--I fail to see how this really is a real problem, if every MLB athlete gets to use their own bat, for example--or have the balls controlled by the officials at the beginning of the game, and controlled by their staff throughout.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Cheaters!

"Prefers".

 

[Phokus]

I've mostly skimmed the last 100 or so posts, because this thread has jumped the full retard bandwagon and rushed balls-deep into drooling imbecile territory, but I'll indulge this comment of yours, anyway.

--All I have seen from your responses is a flat rejection of irrefutable evidence. such as:

--Aaron Rodgers: "Yeah, I love to push balls past the limit, often above the allowed tolerance and see if the refs notice it."
--Phokus: "LMAO! You lied about Aaron Rodgers saying that--he has never overinflated the balls! LMAO-U-R-RETARD!"

--NFL investigation: "We tested all of the balls used during the game before, and after. It is clear that 11 of the 12 balls used by NE were underinflated."
--Phokus: "LMAO! You lied about the NFL finding evidence of tampering! LMAO! NE never did that! LMAO!"


When someone posts the rules, straight from the NFL rulebook--a primary source of information that is, literally, immune from bias--you respond with some random jamoke's interpretation of the rulebook.

It baffles me that you consider any of your responses relevant to the discussion.

All this being said, this is the biggest sports farce that I can recall. Yes--there is a reason to address what certainly appears to be a flat violation of the rules, whether it is an understood truth among all athletes in the league that is simply done and so everyone is guilty, and perhaps the Patriots with their well-documented history of flaunting the rules appear as the scapegoats in all of this, it remains something that needs to be addressed.

I don't for a second think that the Patriots should be replaced in the superbowl, that they should lose draft pics, that the Colts had more than a 2% chance of winning that game anyway, but at some point you have to revise the standard that Manning and Brady lobbied for: either continue to let them treat the balls how they wish--I fail to see how this really is a real problem, if every MLB athlete gets to use their own bat, for example--or have the balls controlled by the officials at the beginning of the game, and controlled by their staff throughout.

It's absolutely baffling that you (or anyone else) is going to debate me on the rulebook. Let me quote what ironwing quoted from the rulebook:

Rule 2 The Ball
Section 1
BALL DIMENSIONS

The Ball must be a “Wilson,” hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell.

The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces.

The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.

Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner.
In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive team’s center. The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs).
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.

Now imagine a scenario where someone slathered Stickum on the football to counteract the slickness of the football in a rain game. Are you seriously going to tell me that it's legal just because it's not listed in this particular section of the rulebook? All he provided was the "Ball dimension"/"Ball Supply" portion of the rulebook, that doesn't fucking mean you can do whatever you want to the football.

I was right (for now) about the tampering thing (that could change of course), I was right about aaron rodgers saying he liked his balls inflated past spec (the other guy said it was in spec, obviously wrong), and I was (and the other guy was wrong) about the Ravens finding something wrong with the balls.

Shit, it turns out even the leaked reports of D'Qwell Jackson as the one who got this whole thing rolling turned out to be a fabrication:

https://twitter.com/ScottIsaacs/status/558416903879004161

There is so much nonsense being spouted in this case it's just absurd people will drop any common sense just because they're butthurt over the pats.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Room temperature is around 75F. The temperature at game time was around 50F. This was in the colts game. It is clear that the weather did not affect the pressure of the balls. p1/p2 = t1/t2. Pressure at 50F = 511/531 * 12.5 psi which is 12 psi.

That's if you assume no tampering was done prior to the balls going to the refs. In the scenario that I mentioned, inflating the ball with hot air prior to the pre-game inspection by the refs would have eliminated the need to tamper with the balls manually after the pre-game inspection.

 

[purbeast0]

Thread has gone full retard.

KT

that is what happens when people who don't give a shit about sports gets involved in things that have to do with sports.

but i can't blame them getting into it because it's making front page on shit like cnn and fox right now.

the media is the biggest group of idiots.

 

[Phokus]

That's if you assume no tampering was done prior to the balls going to the refs. In the scenario that I mentioned, inflating the ball with hot air prior to the pre-game inspection by the refs would have eliminated the need to teamper with the balls manually after the pre-game inspection.

Some crazy person theorized that someone inflated the balls in a hot sauna. If that's what happened, the Pats should get some sort of science award and this example should be in science textbooks.

 

[Anubis]

TBH watching you idiots argue is more fun then actually watching a NFL game

 

[shortylickens]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3455338/reference

Am watching right now.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[smackababy]

that is what happens when people who don't give a shit about sports gets involved in things that have to do with sports.

but i can't blame them getting into it because it's making front page on shit like cnn and fox right now.

the media is the biggest group of idiots.

It isn't just non sports fans. If this happened to any team other than the Patriots, 95% of the idiots here would be like "oh well, likely it was weather or a mistake or some other shit nobody cares about." and move on. But, since it was the Patriots, if has to be cheating! Omg! Let's vacate all wins by Bill while coaching the Patriots! There is certainly no way he could have gotten any of them without cheating. And, we should also vacate any wins by any teams that have beat them during that team, because obviously, you can't beat a cheater unless you're cheating more!