"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[IronWing]

There's probably other rules that this applies to, like the NFL caught the Panthers heating the balls and warned them not to do it again but that's not covered in your rules.

Ain't my rules. Those were straight from the NFL rule book, which I linked a hundred posts back, even bolded it in big type. Pats fans should maybe read it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

12.5 psi inside 70 degree facilities. I don't think it that unlikely for a ball to lose some PSI from spending near 3 hours out in the sub 50 weather, along with general use.

Now, consider that the balls were inflated in a room that was at 85-90 degrees.

Also, the week before against the Ravens the temps were in the teens/single digits so the balls would have deflated below spec. Did the refs measure and inflate them back to spec during the game?

 

[Phokus]

Rodgers never said he overinflates past NFL spec, just that he likes them fully inflated:


Despite the fact that Rodgers does not seem to know that there is already a minimum requirement for inflation, he makes it clear that he feels that air should never be taken out. And I agree with Rodgers that a fully inflated ball provides no advantage to anyone, and it's not something they are going to ever test for. A DB isn't going to think "dam, that ball feels like there's a roll of quarters in it!" because no team is going to ever make a ball heavier on purpose, i.e. harder to catch. The only time I could see a super heavy ball (i.e. harder to catch) being an advantage would be on a squib kick kickoff/punts. However, kickoff balls are actually regulated by the officials so that would never happen.

Sorry, but Rodgers says he likes to go above the NFL spec:

http://vid809.photobucket.com/albums/zz11/mascho030916/Football Central/ScreenCaptureProject295.mp4

Nantz: We talked to [Aaron] Rodgers about 'How do you like your footballs?' Because, you know, you can rub them up before the game. [Phil], you really kind of created that for everybody else in the league.
Simms: I don’t know if I did, because the quarterbacks got tired of them complaining. But he said something [that] was unique: 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it’s easier for him to grip. He likes them tight. Of course, he’s got very big hands and you can tell that by watching him play.
Nantz: You’ve never heard of a guy really desiring a football to be fat and overinflated before, have you?
Simms: Everybody wants it smaller and soft, so they can dig their fingers into. He’s such a feel thrower. You can tell. The one touchdown he threw down the field to the tight end is such feel; then he flicks it. That shows you he just has great control of it, with his fingers and hand.
Nantz: He said, 'God gave me big hands and a strong grip.'
Simms: You know, the officials do check those footballs and sometimes maybe even get lucky and put an extra half pound of air in there to help Aaron Rodgers out.

 

[Phokus]

Ain't my rules. Those were straight from the NFL rule book, which I linked a hundred posts back, even bolded it in big type. Pats fans should maybe read it.

What i'm saying is, there are probably other rules that this pertains to that you're not capturing so it's dishonest to only include that portion.

 

[IronWing]

What i'm saying is, there are probably other rules that this pertains to that you're not capturing so it's dishonest to only include that portion.

Did you read the book?

 

[Phokus]

Did you read the book?

Apparently, you didn't

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-v...of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday's game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

"You can't do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you're heating them up, whether it's a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can't do anything to the football," Blandino said. "So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can't do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters."

 

[IronWing]

Apparently, you didn't

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-v...of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

You didn't read the book.

 

[Phokus]

You didn't read the book.

LMAO, you don't live in reality. Let me help you out again:

As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday's game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

"You can't do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you're heating them up, whether it's a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can't do anything to the football," Blandino said. "So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can't do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters."

I like when people like you get proven wrong and you become absolute nonsensical as a result.

 

[SP33Demon]

You must have missed his original comments on the subject:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/

Yeah I didn't see that. In any event, overinflated would actually hurt his team. How many passes deflected off receivers hands for Green Bay in the past year? Remember the ball that bounced off Jordy's hands vs the Bills that should have went to the house? Jordy said it wasn't for lack of concentration either:

"I don't think it's a lack of concentration," Nelson said, "but maybe it's trying to do too much, too quick.

How about in that same game?

The drive continued and, you guessed it, ended with a drop. A third-and-4 pass deflected off Jarrett Boykin's hands, right to Bacarri Rambo.
...
Working against Ron Brooks one on one — the type of match-up he says he craves — tight end Andrew Quarless dropped a third and 7. The other tight end, Richard Rodgers, had a drop, too.
...
Running back James Starks out of the backfield. Adams on a ball thrown behind him. The hits kept coming.
...
An outstretched Cobb missed one high Rodgers pass and had another easy-does-it one bounce off his hands for a near interception by Aaron Williams.
"It's not like we're out there trying to drop the ball or not make the plays when they're there," Cobb said. "I don't know what you can pinpoint."

Added Adams, "Just not focusing on the ball as much. I can't tell you why we didn't catch the ball and dropped it."

These guys don't know why they didn't catch the ball, could it be that the ball was superinflated? Maybe.

How about last week against Seattle with Andrew Quarless' critical drop on 3rd and 4 in the 4th Quarter?

If the ball was deflated a bit, we can speculate that some of those passes could have been catches.

 

[SP33Demon]

LMAO, you don't live in reality. Let me help you out again:



I like when people like you get proven wrong and you become absolute nonsensical as a result.

See, here's where the problem lies. The Panthers may have broken the rules during the regular season, but so what? They stopped after they were caught. The Pats are so arrogant that they do it in the playoffs, even after a team complained the week before (Ravens). I don't really care if the Pats do it in the regular season, but don't cheat in the playoffs. That's 10X worse, especially with the national spotlight watching.

 

[Phokus]

Yeah I didn't see that. In any event, overinflated would actually hurt his team. How many passes deflected off receivers hands for Green Bay in the past year? Remember the ball that bounced off Jordy's hands vs the Bills that should have went to the house? Jordy said it wasn't for lack of concentration either:

How about in that same game?

These guys don't know why they didn't catch the ball, could it be that the ball was superinflated? Maybe.

How about last week against Seattle with Andrew Quarless' critical drop on 3rd and 4 in the 4th Quarter?

If the ball was deflated a bit, we can speculate that some of those passes could have been catches.

Sports science showed that deflated balls travel slower, so there's cons to that as well. Durrrrrrrr, maybe that's why the Patriots offense EXPLODED on the colts in the second half when the refs started giving the Patriots colts balls on offense. But in any case, Aaron rodgers thinks overinflated balls which goes past league mandated rules helps HIM throw the ball, that's all that matters.

 

[IronWing]

LMAO, you don't live in reality. Let me help you out again:


I like when people like you get proven wrong and you become absolute nonsensical as a result.

Again, you didn't read the rulebook and are quoting news articles instead. The book is only ~120 pages and uses small words. Don't be afraid.

 

[cubby1223]

Apparently, you didn't

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-v...of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

Why are you always an ass wherever you post?
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook

Should be very simple to show documentation of the rules you say exist.

 

[cubby1223]

makes one go hmmm...

 

[Phokus]

See, here's where the problem lies. The Panthers may have broken the rules during the regular season, but so what? They stopped after they were caught. The Pats are so arrogant that they do it in the playoffs, even after a team complained the week before (Ravens). I don't really care if the Pats do it in the regular season, but don't cheat in the playoffs. That's 10X worse, especially with the national spotlight watching.

There's no evidence the Pats received any warning from anyone and even Jim Harbaugh publicly said he didn't notice anything weird about the balls

https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/558009760428326913

Schefter said the NFL is having a tough time finding any evidence of tampering:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12211388

But the Panthers were caught RED HANDED on video and you're willing to give them a pass? yeah that's not backwards at all, just admit you hate the pats and that's clouding your bias.

 

[Phokus]

Why are you always an ass wherever you post?
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook

Should be very simple to show documentation of the rules you say exist.

I'm not going to go through that monstrosity to find 'the rule', but both ESPN and the head of officiating says it's against the rules. Unless you think they are lying or didn't do their due diligence. I guess since Ironwing's rule is the ONLY rule about the ball, quarterbacks should be allowed to put Stickum on the balls then?

LMAO, just admit you guys got owned and you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Phokus]

Again, you didn't read the rulebook and are quoting news articles instead. The book is only ~120 pages and uses small words. Don't be afraid.

Just admit you were wrong. Alternatively, you could be the hero that proves ESPN and the head of officiating have no clue what they're talking about and look through yourself.

 

[IronWing]

Just admit you were wrong. Alternatively, you could be the hero that proves ESPN and the head of officiating have no clue what they're talking about and look through yourself.

Or you could...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8

(NSFW, seriously NSFW, no, really, I mean like NSFW)

 

[SP33Demon]

There's no evidence the Pats received any warning from anyone and even Jim Harbaugh publicly said he didn't notice anything weird about the balls

https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/558009760428326913

Schefter said the NFL is having a tough time finding any evidence of tampering:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12211388

But the Panthers were caught RED HANDED on video and you're willing to give them a pass? yeah that's not backwards at all, just admit you hate the pats and that's clouding your bias.

Ok, let's take the Ravens out completely. How stupid is a team that deflates 11 of 12 balls and risks getting caught in any playoff game? The panthers get a pass because 1) It's the regular season i.e. lower stakes, and 2) The panthers don't have a coach with a history of being a cheating dipshit. If the Pats did it in the regular season, it would barely make a blip on the new radar and I wouldn't care as much either.

 

[Phokus]

Ok, let's take the Ravens out completely. How stupid is a team that deflates 11 of 12 balls and risks getting caught in any playoff game? The panthers get a pass because 1) It's the regular season i.e. lower stakes, and 2) The panthers don't have a coach with a history of being a cheating dipshit. If the Pats did it in the regular season, it would barely make a blip on the new radar and I wouldn't care as much either.

You're going to ignore the ravens completely (because you're wrong) and you actually ignore the adam schefter video (because you're wrong again). Again, no proof.

Also, LMAO, since when does it matter if it's regular season/post season? You're just making up your own rules at this point.

 

[Phokus]

Or you could...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8

(NSFW, seriously NSFW, no, really, I mean like NSFW)

That's some serious mental gymnastics you got going on there. Apparently, you know more than ESPN and the head of NFL officiating, is what you're saying.

 

[IronWing]

That's some serious mental gymnastics you got going on there. Apparently, you know more than ESPN and the head of NFL officiating, is what you're saying.

You could have read the whole book by now. The NFL wrote it for a reason, you know.

 

[Ban Bot]

So Kurt Warner didn't tamper with the balls, he got all the help he needed from the gloves. So one form of "tampering" or another, yeah?

That is not tampering. Google tampering and the first thing you see is:

1. interfere with (something) in order to cause damage or make unauthorized alterations.
2. exert a secret or corrupt influence upon (someone).

Gloves or even legal alterations & ball wear are not tempering. Altering the ball outside of spec is tampering. This is all very, very simple. There are rules.

Rules say you can wear gloves. Rules say you cannot wear stickum.

Rules say you can "condition" the ball before use within certain parameters. Rules say you cannot underinflate the ball.

This is not a hard concept. Anyone who has played with new "game balls" knows that they can be as hard as a rock and even in some cases slightly rigid and not smoothly round. Some people prefer that, others don't. I didn't. And from this perspective I agree that the home team AND road team should have their own balls. That prevents home team chicanery.

Personally, I don't think the underinflated balls affected the Colts game. The Ravens game? Hmmm Overlooked in this is that a deflated ball allows RUSHERS to get their fingers into the ball more to prevent fumbles. New England was exceptional in 2014 and ranked #2 in fumbles (not fumbles lost, but fumbles). In 2013 they were # 24. They improved over 1/2 a fumble per game. That in itself doesn't say much. Seattle was # 22 (1.5/game) in 2014, # 26 (1.6) in 2013, and # 8 (1.1) in 2012 so it is possible for big variance. But a variance in conjunction with deflated balls indicates skirting the rules.

It was cheating in a small rule. Probably not hugely significant but nonetheless not right. If guys will get dinged for stupid stuff like wrong gloves, shoes, talking to the press, taking adderal with a script but not approved by the NFL, etc. then so should the Patriots.

 

[SP33Demon]

You're going to ignore the ravens completely (because you're wrong) and you actually ignore the adam schefter video (because you're wrong again). Again, no proof.

Also, LMAO, since when does it matter if it's regular season/post season? You're just making up your own rules at this point.

Only a complete idiot would think that the stakes are the same for cheating in regular season vs playoffs. And the Schefter video means nothing, the refs already weighed the ball during the game. That testimony alone is damning enough, you are so gullible that you will cling to any analyst that gives your fanboy brain a shred of hope.

 

[Phokus]

You could have read the whole book by now. The NFL wrote it for a reason, you know.

I have this thing called a job, i'm guessing you don't have one since you think that's reasonable. No, it's pretty fucking long actually. Even if i didn't have a job, i'm not going to read the whole damn thing just to score internet points when i've already won the argument. I guess i sorta trapped you because i posted that shit about the panthers without proof first because i was lazy, then you got indignant and just HAD to ATTEMPT to prove me 'wrong', sealing your fate and you got your ass handed to you when i posted the link. Now you think you know more than Football Analysts and the head of officiating who's responsible for the rules. Again, your mental gymnastics and bubble mentality is hilarious.