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should pats lose their spot to colts in the superbowl?

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Fingolfin269

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No matter how long this goes on and on I still just can't get over the fact that it's actually happening.

If the NFL had just said from the beginning "ok, I guess we need to start doing a better job enforcing our equipment rules /noogie" this would have been over with last January. But oh no. Someone decided they would use this as a means to get back at a franchise they've been harboring a grudge over for a seemingly long time.

And it has now backfired royally.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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oh great article. it sums up; what people outside of the pats/ny area feel.

Most people i know are amazed with how the NFL is acting. it's like they are trying to fuck over the NFL brand and destroy the pats doing it.

at least it gives me something to watch besides Cutlers impending implosion.

Thing is if you block for Cutler he's not so bad, he needs to learn when to eat it though, and not toss up that wounded duck.
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Burn the NFL to the ground
 

Phokus

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Personally, i think Goodell should choose syrup when he goes to town on the tossed salad man
 

videogames101

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Full disclosure, I'm a huge pats and Brady fan. But jesus christ If I had my way I'd fire Goodell, Brady, and every owner while we're at it. This whole thing is so completely unprofessional it makes my head spin. This cast of overgrown misfits wouldn't last one second if I were running the NFL. It's almost like they're trying to project an image of arrant disorganization. Maybe that's good for sales, IDK.
 

cubby1223

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Thing is if you block for Cutler he's not so bad, he needs to learn when to eat it though, and not toss up that wounded duck.

There is a reason why the Broncos let him go so cheaply. Cutler has always had potential, every now and then he shows glimpses of being the premier QB of the league. But that's all it ever is, rare glimpses surrounded by bad. And regardless of any talent, he's suffered too many hard hits and too many concussions at the mercy of historically inept offensive lines protecting him, he has no potential left in him. He's played 9 seasons, is 32 years old, he's finished.
 

emperus

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Not sure who recommended that the NFL go to court. But this document dump has to be a huge embarrassment.

Harbaugh the "documented Liar"

Ravens officials have denied on several occasions that they tipped off the Indianapolis Colts about issues that they had with the air pressure of game balls during their AFC divisional playoff matchup with the New England Patriots, but documents released Tuesday suggest otherwise.

An email from Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan to the team’s general manager, Ryan Grigson, alleges that Ravens longtime special teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg called Indianapolis head coach Chuck Pagano, a former Ravens assistant, before the Colts-Patriots conference championship game to warn him about the condition of the designated “kicking” footballs at Gillette Stadium.

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“It’s ridiculous. It never happened. I never made any call. Nobody in our organization made any call,” Ravens head coach John Harbaugh told NBC before the Patriots’ Super Bowl victory over the Seattle Seahawks in February. "Just to make sure I had all the facts, I called Chuck Pagano this week and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about any deflated footballs?’ And he said, ‘No way.'"

Harbaugh has also said that the Ravens chalked up the softer footballs to the frigid weather conditions during the divisional playoff game, which the Patriots won, 35-31, to advance to play the Colts.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...footballs-last-postseason-20150804-story.html
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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lol @ goodell
Did he really think this would end well?
Or did he just want another off season publicity stunt?
 

SP33Demon

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Not sure who recommended that the NFL go to court. But this document dump has to be a huge embarrassment.

Harbaugh the "documented Liar"

Uh, that's not lying. There is no hard evidence that the Ravens tipped off the Colts and Pagano ain't biting. Suck it up buttercup.

BTW, since you have time to read 457 pages of court documents, can I get you to do a spreadsheet for me? Secretary is out today and you are most likely unemployed. I'm willing to pay $10/hr, it'll help you buy a new video game. What do you say?
 

cabri

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Link

The transcript of Brady’s appeal hearing includes admissions from executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent that prove these two key points.

“Where do you find the policy that says footballs can’t be altered with respect to pressure? Is that going to be in the competitive integrity policy that Mr. Wells cited in his report?” attorney Jeffrey Kessler asked Vincent.

“Game-Day Operations Manual,” Vincent said.

“Is it correct, to your knowledge, that the manual is given to clubs and GMs and owners, et cetera, but the manual is not given out to players; is that correct, to your knowledge?” Kessler said.

“That’s correct, to my knowledge,” Vincent said.

“In fact, when you were a player, you were never given that manual, right?”

“No,” Vincent said.

...
 

Fingolfin269

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I find this statement interesting:

Wells to Kessler: "If those text messages did not exist, and all we had was a break in protocol and he goes into the bathroom and just the science, the result might very well be totally different. But when you combine the break in protocol, going into the bathroom, the text messages and the science, we felt comfortable reaching a judgment."

So basically they're saying that without the texts there wouldn't be any big deal because the science explains it. My question here is, does Wells basically say that the balls fall within an acceptable range based on the science. However, because of texts and a guy going to the bathroom we think some air may have been let out after the officials checked the balls. But the amount of air let out was still such that the result was within the acceptable range?

Once again, 11 out of 12, 2 pounds underinflated, those lies led us here when this could have just been a 'stop touching your balls after I touch your balls' slap on the wrist. What a joke.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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LOL wow ... it's so fucked up how brady has been punished and is being treated.

and LOL about him getting a new phone because his number was getting out there. yet everyone wants to crucify the guy for getting a new phone. i'd get a new phone too and destroy the old one if i was the #1 qb in the world and my phone wouldn't stop ringing due to idiots calling it.

not a pats fan at all, but man, if the redskins don't win the superbowl (LOLOLOLOL) i'm going to be rooting for the pats to win it and stick it to everybody.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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I find this statement interesting:



So basically they're saying that without the texts there wouldn't be any big deal because the science explains it. My question here is, does Wells basically say that the balls fall within an acceptable range based on the science. However, because of texts and a guy going to the bathroom we think some air may have been let out after the officials checked the balls. But the amount of air let out was still such that the result was within the acceptable range?

Once again, 11 out of 12, 2 pounds underinflated, those lies led us here when this could have just been a 'stop touching your balls after I touch your balls' slap on the wrist. What a joke.

wells is a fucking moron, he should have to give all that money back.

all this over .3 psi ... so pathetic. i said it back then and i still feel the same way, this whole thing was muchado about nothing. pats haters just love to get a hard on over anything that could be bad for the pats though (very clear in this thread too).
 

Phokus

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The scientific consulting firm that the NFL hired is comical (the 'pay to get the results you want' firm, i believe the same firm that said 2nd hand smoke doesn't cause negative health effects):

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3fucbk/from_the_brady_appeal_exponent_statisticians_and/

Q. Dr. Marlow, the variability analysis that
23 took into account the post-game data that you wanted
24 to include in the report but didn't get included in
25 the report, your view that wasn't included in the
1 report would have been more prejudicial to the
2 Patriots, correct?
3 A. Yes, yes, and that was part of how I
4 interpreted why I was overruled is we didn't want to
5 be too aggressive in it. We were trying to be fair.
6 Q. In your view, based on the variability and
7 analysis, taking into account the post-game data
8 would have made it more likely that the Patriots'
9 balls did not start at the same psi level when they
10 were introduced on the field and after Walt Anderson
11 had gauged them, correct?
12 A. Yes. The very -- the most natural
13 explanation for the variability is that they started
14 at different pressures, yes.
15 Q. And is it fair to say that this was not
16 included in the report because there was a consensus
17 between you and Exponent that it was better to take
18 a conservative approach and not use the post-game
19 data because it might open you up to some criticism,
20 much of which we have heard today?
21 A. Yes, that's fair. That's why I went along,
22 but I couldn't contain myself here; I'm sorry.
23 MR. REISNER: Nothing further.

__________________

5 Q. Now, let me ask you this. You mentioned that
6 you tried to replicate Dr. Snyder's work, correct?
7 You believed you were able to do that?
8 A. I believe I was able to do that.
9 Q. And you pointed out that by doing some
10 variability analysis for the second measure, you
11 could achieve a statistical significance that's
12 above ten percent statistical level, not a five
13 percent, right?
14 A. The p-values I calculated were between five
15 and ten percent.
16 Q. It would not be significant at the
17 five-percent level, right?
_______________

7 Q. I will ask you this: Have you ever done a
8 case you can recall where you had four observations
9 was your entire data set and that's all, or less?
10 And if you can't identify, "no."
11 A. I have reviewed evidence that has been put
12 forth where people have taken one or two
13 measurements and tried to reason on that basis.
14 Q. And you think that's a proper thing for a
15 statistician to do with one or two observations?
16 A. Typically, it is not. Typically it is not
17 because there is uncertainty. But if you had a
18 situation where there was no variability, you had a
19 population that had no variability in it and you
20 wanted to learn about that population, one
21 measurement would be enough because there is no
22 variability.
23 MR. KESSLER: I don't have any further
24 questions. You can keep going if you want, but I'm done

___________________

11 Q. Looking just at the halftime data which you
12 did include, there is no statistically significant
13 effect, correct?
14 A. That's correct.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Uh, that's not lying. There is no hard evidence that the Ravens tipped off the Colts and Pagano ain't biting. Suck it up buttercup.

BTW, since you have time to read 457 pages of court documents, can I get you to do a spreadsheet for me? Secretary is out today and you are most likely unemployed. I'm willing to pay $10/hr, it'll help you buy a new video game. What do you say?

And you're the same retard that believes all accusations against NE are true but all other accusations against other teams are false.
 

emperus

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Uh, that's not lying. There is no hard evidence that the Ravens tipped off the Colts and Pagano ain't biting. Suck it up buttercup.
No hard evidence? Again, I see reading isn't ur strong point, again. You're just making a caricature of yourself now. But, let me help you.
An email from Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan to the team’s general manager, Ryan Grigson, alleges that Ravens longtime special teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg called Indianapolis head coach Chuck Pagano, a former Ravens assistant, before the Colts-Patriots conference championship game to warn him about the condition of the designated “kicking” footballs at Gillette Stadium.


BTW, since you have time to read 457 pages of court documents, can I get you to do a spreadsheet for me? Secretary is out today and you are most likely unemployed. I'm willing to pay $10/hr, it'll help you buy a new video game. What do you say?


I read part of the article late last night, and I found a couple of articles this morning to summarize the points I didn't read. But, I'll read the whole thing, some while getting a pedicure later and the rest while at the airport.

See the difference between you and I, the thing I keep harping on is, I value being educated on things before speaking on it. And the only way to do that is to actually read shit that I'm interested in myself. Or I could be like you and just spout off at the mouth without an inkling about what ur talking about and continuously look like a fool and/or stupid.

And honestly, I couldn't work for a company that employs a dumb-fuck like you.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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SP33Demon is a ravens homer so you can't really blame him for acting the way he acts. that is just how the majority of ravens fans are. it's kind of like special needs kids.