"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[emperus]

I'd have to dig it up, I've read a shitload of articles on the Peterson ruling. Some of them mention the NFL declining to file the stay on Peterson's suspension but none knew why.

Edit:
1) http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/26/adrian-peterson-appeal-roger-goodell-minnesota-vikings

But they didn't do this, they just appealed it and reinstated AP. Mind blown yet?

2) http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/...uspension-appeal-result-roger-goodell-vikings


3)http://www.foxsports.com/north/story/nfl-appeals-arbitrator-s-ruling-in-adrian-peterson-case-022615

Minnesota Vikings made it clear after Doty's ruling that AP's status is still in limbo until the legal process, such as an appeal, runs its course.

4)http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...son-suspension-lifted-nfl-20150226-story.html


More proof the NFL appeal had not run its course yet and AP was still held hostage to legal proceedings. Yet AP was reinstated for cooperating with the league in the 4/16 letter talking about AP and the NFL's 4/7 meeting.


The bottom line is that AP cooperated, was remorseful, and agreed to jump through all of the NFL's hoops (counseling/treatment) so he could play this season. Otherwise, the NFL would have just requested and won a stay of his suspension while they legally dragged this Doty appeal out in District Court. I'm guessing they would have done this had Peterson NOT cooperated and been a good little boy during his meeting with Goodell. Brady should be taking notes here, play nice with the NFL and they may stop fucking with you. In fact, the NFL gave Brady numerous chances to fess up and his suspension would have been dramatically reduced. His loss, he's in for a world of hurt now.

Again, I'm not sure you fully understand everything you read. The NFL didn't motion for a stay because it wouldn't have won one. You just don't motion for a stay and receive it, you have to show that there would be irreparable harm and that you might be successful in the suit. Seeing that Doty already ruled in favor of Peterson, with sound logic (but you didn't read his ruling) and that Peterson would be the one irreparably harmed by any stay (missing games at the the tail end of his career that he couldn't get back). How do you think the NFL would have won that motion for a stay?

So, from that false assumption, you continue on to say that the NFL helped AP out. They didn't. They didn't motion for a stay because I'm sure they knew couldn't win one, yet they are acting like they have one by telling the arbitrator not to rule until the appeal is over. That is why they are being sued again for contempt of court by the NFLPA for not following and ignoring DOTY's ruling.

Read more carefully.
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/...dell_with_contempt_over_Adrian_Peterson051915

 

[BUTCH1]

I'd have to dig it up, I've read a shitload of articles on the Peterson ruling. Some of them mention the NFL declining to file the stay on Peterson's suspension but none knew why.

Edit:
1) http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/26/adrian-peterson-appeal-roger-goodell-minnesota-vikings

But they didn't do this, they just appealed it and reinstated AP. Mind blown yet?

2) http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/...uspension-appeal-result-roger-goodell-vikings


3)http://www.foxsports.com/north/story/nfl-appeals-arbitrator-s-ruling-in-adrian-peterson-case-022615

Minnesota Vikings made it clear after Doty's ruling that AP's status is still in limbo until the legal process, such as an appeal, runs its course.

4)http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...son-suspension-lifted-nfl-20150226-story.html


More proof the NFL appeal had not run its course yet and AP was still held hostage to legal proceedings. Yet AP was reinstated for cooperating with the league in the 4/16 letter talking about AP and the NFL's 4/7 meeting.


The bottom line is that AP cooperated, was remorseful, and agreed to jump through all of the NFL's hoops (counseling/treatment) so he could play this season. Otherwise, the NFL would have just requested and won a stay of his suspension while they legally dragged this Doty appeal out in District Court. I'm guessing they would have done this had Peterson NOT cooperated and been a good little boy during his meeting with Goodell. Brady should be taking notes here, play nice with the NFL and they may stop fucking with you. In fact, the NFL gave Brady numerous chances to fess up and his suspension would have been dramatically reduced. His loss, he's in for a world of hurt now.

This is what irks me about the league, they got (IMO) full cooperation from an organizational perspective, (they even handed over the tape of the guy entering the bathroom), handed over all the phones from employees they were asked for but still got a mind-boggling amount of punishment over 1/2lb of PSI in the balls. While I still stand by my initial thoughts that the text's were somewhat damming, why did the office deem it necessary to "leak" false information to ESPN about "11 out of 12 balls were 2 PSI under the limit" when it was known that was completely incorrect. It's like they went on a deliberate route to frame the Patriot's in an even worse possible light then the Pat's could have ever done by their own dumb actions. As I did and still do consider Brady's actions moronic, it's also very obvious that some in the league offices are on their own "power-trip". The Patriot's asked multiple times for the league to stop "leaking" false information to ESPN and to issue corrections to those that were already out there, they did neither. I don't know if any end is in sight, not only on the Brady ruling but now Kraft is so irate he might go in "Al Davis" mode and file a lawsuit against the NFL for defamation. Good God what a mess.

 

[TheGardener]

According to media sources? Why don't u post an article from these media sources. Or is it the same media sources that reported 11 of 12 Pats balls were under inflated by 2PSI. lol.

Unnamed media sources. I have to use this one myself.

 

[TheGardener]

I think that a majority of media articles and commentaries have done more to confuse the fans and general public than to clarify. A lot of misinformation out there. Some intentional, and some just knee jerk reactions to events. We are not dealing with many real journalists out there. I doubt there is a lot of fact checking.

Hopefully a federal judge will be able to quickly filter through what is relevant to the suspension and rule on it before the season starts. If either side appeals, this could go on for a long time passed the suspension or an injunction to block the suspension. While I hope it is resolved in the coming weeks, Brady could be retired before this is over.

I served on a jury last year for a DUI case. The complaint came 18 months prior to the trial. And I knew from looking at the young woman that she was not guilty. Well, the judge stopped the trial and found her not guilty. The judge wanted to go out to party with her buddies. One idiot juror actually was arguing with the judge on the facts, not understanding that the trial was over.

The federal judge ordering that the Brady/NFLPA case move from Minnesota to NY, is not a killer for Brady. Given that the ruling on Peterson was heard in Minnesota, this is a very small advantage for the NFL. Not seismic in the least.

I believe that most of the NFLPA's and Brady's points will be tossed out. Their best shot is on Goodell not recusing himself and hiring an independent arbitrator.

 

[BUTCH1]

Hmm, ESPN's mainstay Chris Mortenson (who broke the FALSE story about 11 out of 12 Patriot's balls being 2 PSI low) was scheduled to appear on WEEI's talk show in Boston. That was until he learned he was going to be asked about who "leaked" the false information that had the entire nation foaming at the mouth for Patriot blood, he called in and cancelled his appearance. (link) Link to original story about his aggreing to appear here. Turns out everything revolved around NFL game-day official Mike Kensil who was with the Jet's for 20+ years before leaving for higher ground working for the league, he was there when BB resigned as head coach of the Jets (on a cocktail napkin, yea, it was weird) and probably harbors plenty of ill will for BB and the Pat's, in fact he was at the AFCCG and told the Patriot's equipment manager (we weighed the balls, your in big fucking trouble) link . As the investigation got underway and the Pat's were turning over phone's and video and arranging interviews they asked that the Well's people also investigate the conduct of NFL officials who were involved in the events during and after the AFCCG with a tepid response from NFL head counsel Jeff Pash (who was overseeing the "independent" investigation in progress. As you might imagine, Well's found no issues with anyone in the NFL's offices. Yesterday the Patriot's released a chain of emails to Greg Aiello and Jeff Pash pleading with them to release the information gathered during the half-time ball measurements and the subsequent being "blown-off" by the league, link here.

 

[BUTCH1]

Maine man pays to fly a banner outside Goodell's summer home, police are asked to 'keep an eye on" Goodell's house..https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/08/02/patriots-fan-hires-plane-fly-banner-over-goodell-vacation-home/HXrb2HBj1w9E0ECSMI84RK/story.html

 

[Phokus]

Chris Mortensen's tweet about '11 out of 12 deflated balls' was deleted... 195 days later:

https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/628589360087216128

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ortensen-deletes-inaccurate-deflategate-tweet

The narrative is crumbling.

I hope Kraft and Brady end up owning the rest of the NFL, i mean literally. I hope they sue Goodell and Kensil into the dirt and they're forced to live in homeless shelters.

 

[Anubis]

every time I read new posts in this thread it just reinforces the idea that the NFL has no god damn idea what its doing and completely made this shit up to make a fake controversy

 

[waggy]

Hmm, ESPN's mainstay Chris Mortenson (who broke the FALSE story about 11 out of 12 Patriot's balls being 2 PSI low) was scheduled to appear on WEEI's talk show in Boston. That was until he learned he was going to be asked about who "leaked" the false information that had the entire nation foaming at the mouth for Patriot blood, he called in and cancelled his appearance. (link) Link to original story about his aggreing to appear here. Turns out everything revolved around NFL game-day official Mike Kensil who was with the Jet's for 20+ years before leaving for higher ground working for the league, he was there when BB resigned as head coach of the Jets (on a cocktail napkin, yea, it was weird) and probably harbors plenty of ill will for BB and the Pat's, in fact he was at the AFCCG and told the Patriot's equipment manager (we weighed the balls, your in big fucking trouble) link . As the investigation got underway and the Pat's were turning over phone's and video and arranging interviews they asked that the Well's people also investigate the conduct of NFL officials who were involved in the events during and after the AFCCG with a tepid response from NFL head counsel Jeff Pash (who was overseeing the "independent" investigation in progress. As you might imagine, Well's found no issues with anyone in the NFL's offices. Yesterday the Patriot's released a chain of emails to Greg Aiello and Jeff Pash pleading with them to release the information gathered during the half-time ball measurements and the subsequent being "blown-off" by the league, link here.

lol damn. the more i read about how the NFL handled it the more i think it was a smear job by some high level people in the NFL.

 

[Phokus]

lol damn. the more i read about how the NFL handled it the more i think it was a smear job by some high level people in the NFL.

Specifically Mike Kensil, who was a high ranking exec for the Jets when Bill Belichick "screwed" over the Jets by jumping ship to the Pats. He's hated him ever since and has had a grudge against him (and presumably the Pats).

 

[RampantAndroid]

Chris Mortensen's tweet about '11 out of 12 deflated balls' was deleted... 195 days later:

https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/628589360087216128

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ortensen-deletes-inaccurate-deflategate-tweet

The narrative is crumbling.

I hope Kraft and Brady end up owning the rest of the NFL, i mean literally. I hope they sue Goodell and Kensil into the dirt and they're forced to live in homeless shelters.

So, wait...report is wrong about the amount they're underinflated and there's still a bunch of evidence of untoward behavior....and so patriots fans ago nuts.

Huh, OK. Whatever.

 

[Imported]

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ex-204-appeal-hearing-transcript-t-brady.pdf

 

[SP33Demon]

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ex-204-appeal-hearing-transcript-t-brady.pdf

457 pages, f that, I have weights to lift and a supermodel wife to fuck. Let me know what the verdict is in 6 months.

 

[Fingolfin269]

So, wait...report is wrong about the amount they're underinflated and there's still a bunch of evidence of untoward behavior....and so patriots fans ago nuts.



Huh, OK. Whatever.

What evidence are you referring to specifically when you say 'bunch of'?

/Titans fan

 

[waggy]

457 pages, f that, I have weights to lift and a supermodel wife to fuck. Let me know what the verdict is in 6 months.

yeah fuck him! he has such a hard life...

 

[RampantAndroid]

What evidence are you referring to specifically when you say 'bunch of'?

/Titans fan

From what I've read, the report that 11 balls were 2PSI under is not correct, and that some number of balls (the article didn't say) were around 1PSI under?

 

[BUTCH1]

lol damn. the more i read about how the NFL handled it the more i think it was a smear job by some high level people in the NFL.

There are issues with both the Patriot's and the league. Since the beginning of the thread I saw the text's as an issue for Brady and the Pats, no, I do not think 'the Deflator" was referring to a ball assistant on a diet. At some point in time I do believe VERY small amounts of air were illegally removed, the text's back that up. What I have an issue with the league is you suspected that this might be happening but did not log the ball pressures pre-game or even have a calibrated gauge to check them with?. You let the Colts play an entire half knowing that the balls might be tampered with?, now the way the game went down it turned out to be a non-issue as far as competitive concerns but what if it was a 24-21 game?, I'd be pissed at the league if I were a Colt's fan. Then the inexcusable "leaks" of fabricated information and failure to correct them when asked is just inexcusable as is Well's utter failure to include those actions in his "report". Bottom line is it should have been a hefty team fine and that's about it. Now I'm sure there are a lot of folks are plenty happy the Pat's got the royal deluxe screw-job but they should be wondering if they might be next in line.

 

[BUTCH1]

From what I've read, the report that 11 balls were 2PSI under is not correct, and that some number of balls (the article didn't say) were around 1PSI under?

The Ref had 2 gauges, one was reading higher than the other by about .7 PSI. When asked by Well's team which one he tested the Pat's ball with pre-game his "best recollection" was the one that read higher, factoring in the normal PSI drop due to weather virtually all of the Pat's balls would have been in regulation but Wells's team refused the Ref's "best recollection" on that (but accepted every other recollection as gospel). Guess if your gonna hand the NFL a $5 million invoice it damm well better look bad..

 

[waggy]

There are issues with both the Patriot's and the league. Since the beginning of the thread I saw the text's as an issue for Brady and the Pats, no, I do not think 'the Deflator" was referring to a ball assistant on a diet. At some point in time I do believe VERY small amounts of air were illegally removed, the text's back that up. What I have an issue with the league is you suspected that this might be happening but did not log the ball pressures pre-game or even have a calibrated gauge to check them with?. You let the Colts play an entire half knowing that the balls might be tampered with?, now the way the game went down it turned out to be a non-issue as far as competitive concerns but what if it was a 24-21 game?, I'd be pissed at the league if I were a Colt's fan. Then the inexcusable "leaks" of fabricated information and failure to correct them when asked is just inexcusable as is Well's utter failure to include those actions in his "report". Bottom line is it should have been a hefty team fine and that's about it. Now I'm sure there are a lot of folks are plenty happy the Pat's got the royal deluxe screw-job but they should be wondering if they might be next in line.

the thing that amazes me is that the NFL suspected something. YET let the game go without checking? all in a order to nail the pats?

damn right if i was a colts fan i would be pissed off.

As a NFL owner i would be pissed at goodell for it.

It bugs me that brady is getting 4 games with no real proof and others have done far worse and got the same.

not that I really care much since the pats won't face the bears.

 

[emperus]

Reading the Transcript of the Appeals Hearing.

As to the Texts and Brady destroying his phone. Found this nugget.

So what did we provide? We provided all the
20 phone logs that show the text messages. I didn't
21 even know this, but your phone bills, you can
22 actually get the records, show all the text
23 messages. And what does that show? It shows all
24 the text messages from the relevant time match up to
25 all the texts to Mr. Jastremski, okay. There are
1 none to Mr. McNally, which is consistent with
2 Mr. Brady's testimony that he didn't really know
3 Mr. McNally in any material way at all.
4 So there are no texts to Mr. McNally's
5 number. The Jastremski texts match up and the
6 Schoenfeld texts match up. So everything that was a
7 text there was basically in the Wells report. So
8 for Mr. Nash to come and say you should assume that
9 there are bad texts and Mr. Brady's going to testify
10 there were no such texts and the phone records show
11 there were no such texts, there is no way you can
12 draw that adverse inference about him. And it's not
13 right for Mr. Nash to suggest it.

So basically, all the texts between McNally, Jastremeski were all accounted for in the Wells Report. So, please someone explain to me what Brady was trying to hide by destroying his phone?

 

[waggy]

Reading the Transcript of the Appeals Hearing.

As to the Texts and Brady destroying his phone. Found this nugget.



So basically, all the texts between McNally, Jastremeski were all accounted for in the Wells Report. So, please someone explain to me what Brady was trying to hide by destroying his phone?

nothing. Everyone knows killing the phone doesn't do shit. So whatever text they have is it. his phone means jack shit.

unless he had pictures or maybe email he didn't want getting out (though they can get those too).

 

[davmat787]

nothing. Everyone knows killing the phone doesn't do shit. So whatever text they have is it. his phone means jack shit.

unless he had pictures or maybe email he didn't want getting out (though they can get those too).

Agreed. Goodells suggestion that Brady's phone being destroyed is evidence of malfeasance on the part of Brady is a total bullshit move by Goodell and shows just how bush league he runs things.

And I'd love to see Brady knocked down a peg or three but Goodells actions and comments are more infuriating now.

 

[BUTCH1]

Agreed. Goodells suggestion that Brady's phone being destroyed is evidence of malfeasance on the part of Brady is a total bullshit move by Goodell and shows just how bush league he runs things.

And I'd love to see Brady knocked down a peg or three but Goodells actions and comments are more infuriating now.

Here's a piece written today in the Boston Globe and it hit's the nail right on the head. It denounces Brady as stubborn and acting immature and delves into the "agenda" some in the NFL's offices have had for "getting" the Patriots. For God's sake your enjoying the most profitable major sport by far, you gave almost zero fucks about ball pressure before "deflate-gate" and embarrassment enough for all to see. Even worse will be opening the season on a special Thursday-night game (it was planned long ago whoever won the SB would feature a home game with an elaborate celebration except the Pat's now want nothing to do with it and will refuse to hang the banner for winning the SB because of Brady's suspension)

 

[emperus]

You guys have to read the section on the Statistical Analysis done by the Yale Statistician on the Exponent work. He's basically calling it bullshit. Here's a snippet where they are talking about the time it takes for balls to warm up and pressures increase (if the Colts balls were measured last they would have been warmer and thus had higher PSIs). Looking forward to reading Exponents testimony.

Q. What did Exponent do in its difference in
6 difference analysis to account for time?
7 A. Nothing.
8 Q. How do you know?
9 A. Absolutely nothing. If you look at their
10 difference in difference equation in their appendix
11 and you look at Table A3, where they report their
12 results, they have explanatory variables for their
13 difference in difference analysis and time is not an
14 explanatory variable.
15 You can read the Exponent report forwards,
16 backwards, upside down. You see time referred to
17 again and again and again and again. However, you
18 have to look at what they actually did, the
19 statistical analysis that they actually did. They
20 left time out of the analysis that they said was the
21 most important.

 

[waggy]

Here's a piece written today in the Boston Globe and it hit's the nail right on the head. It denounces Brady as stubborn and acting immature and delves into the "agenda" some in the NFL's offices have had for "getting" the Patriots. For God's sake your enjoying the most profitable major sport by far, you gave almost zero fucks about ball pressure before "deflate-gate" and embarrassment enough for all to see. Even worse will be opening the season on a special Thursday-night game (it was planned long ago whoever won the SB would feature a home game with an elaborate celebration except the Pat's now want nothing to do with it and will refuse to hang the banner for winning the SB because of Brady's suspension)

oh great article. it sums up; what people outside of the pats/ny area feel.

Most people i know are amazed with how the NFL is acting. it's like they are trying to fuck over the NFL brand and destroy the pats doing it.

at least it gives me something to watch besides Cutlers impending implosion.