"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[SP33Demon]

Yeah, except those guys deflated their balls with steroids and cancer.

10/10!

 

[edro]

No, he's not. Joe Montana >>>>>>>> Tom Brady.

Nothing but nostalgia...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Nothing but nostalgia...

..and nothing but correct as well. Joe Montana will always have something Tom Brady will never have - a perfect 4-0 record in the Super Bowl. :biggrin:

 

[Phoenix86]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000504258/article/roger-goodell-upholds-tom-brady-suspension

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has upheld Patriots quarterback Tom Brady's four-game suspension for violating the league's policy on integrity of the game, the league announced Tuesday.

Shocker, probably headed to court.

 

[cabri]

And now the NFL is setting up proper testing procedures to collect data on the balls for the 2015 season
Link

Over the weekend Mike Pereira, the former vice president of officiating for the NFL and current Fox Sports analyst, detailed that the league will use "new procedures" for how the inflation levels of footballs will be "prepared and monitored."

There will be more footballs used – 12 primary, 12 backup. Each will be numbered. All footballs will be set to 13 pounds per square inch before the game and then measured again afterward. At select games, the primary balls will be measured and removed at halftime and the second half will be played with the backups.

The story has been framed as the NFL doing a better job securing its game balls – a long overdue development. However, this is way more than that. This is a science experiment, allowing the league to begin to understand how weather, game use and other factors impact the inflation level (if at all) of footballs.

Commissioning a real study is one of the most responsible and professional things the league office has done in the deflate-gate scandal.

It's also potentially self-destructive for the NFL.

....

Now the NFL may find out what "probably" means, and it's difficult to see how this plays well for the league office.

By the conclusion of February's Super Bowl, the NFL will have data from 332 preseason, regular-season and postseason games in all sorts of weather. An undetermined amount will also include halftime numbers. The procedure on measuring will be sounder – in this past January's AFC title game, two different pumps were used and possibly not on the same balls pregame and at halftime, making the info useless.

Unless the experiment shows that footballs lose almost none of its pregame inflation levels regardless of the conditions, thus making the Patriots' numbers outside the variance because there is almost no variance, the league will be challenged to support its deflate-gate conclusions.

Anything other than that and this is a train wreck in progress for commissioner Roger Goodell and his already image-battered league office.

Maybe, as many scientists such as Naughton predict, some deflation is natural and the Patriots' numbers are reasonable. Maybe the average is actually worse than what New England produced. Maybe the data is so convoluted there is no way to draw a conclusion. Maybe, as Belichick has suggested, it's impossible to measure because a football is made of animal skin and thus so individually unique it can't be consistently measured.


...

 

[SP33Demon]

In announcing the decision, Goodell cited new evidence that emerged: On or shortly before March 6 -- the day Brady was interviewed by Ted Wells and his investigative team -- that Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC title game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation.

The NFL said in Tuesday's statement that Brady destroyed the phone even though he was aware that investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on the phone.

Tom ain't winning any court case in the foreseeable future. Way to be a role model Tom, all those poor NE kids who looked up to him will grow up to be cheaters now.

 

[waggy]

No, he's not. Joe Montana >>>>>>>> Tom Brady.

bullshit. Rex grossmen then cutler are!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

In announcing the decision, Goodell cited new evidence that emerged: On or shortly before March 6 -- the day Brady was interviewed by Ted Wells and his investigative team -- that Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC title game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation.

The NFL said in Tuesday's statement that Brady destroyed the phone even though he was aware that investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on the phone.

Tom ain't winning any court case in the foreseeable future. Way to be a role model Tom, all those poor NE kids who looked up to him will grow up to be cheaters now.

But...but...he's innocent! EVERYONE occasionally has his/her assistant destroy his/her phone, ESPECIALLY when you're under investigation!

 

[cabri]

In announcing the decision, Goodell cited new evidence that emerged: On or shortly before March 6 -- the day Brady was interviewed by Ted Wells and his investigative team -- that Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC title game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation.

The NFL said in Tuesday's statement that Brady destroyed the phone even though he was aware that investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on the phone.

Tom ain't winning any court case in the foreseeable future. Way to be a role model Tom, all those poor NE kids who looked up to him will grow up to be cheaters now.

Interesting that all this NEW damming information was not included in the Wells report.

and the timing of this announcement w/ respect to the Pressure testing program announced also (see post above)

 

[Phoenix86]

But...but...he's innocent! EVERYONE occasionally has his/her assistant destroy his/her phone, ESPECIALLY when you're under investigation!

Well, he might. There's no smoking gun here. You can pretty much throw out everything done at half time (and most of the Wells report) and say "there might have been an issue" at best.

Of course, they aren't getting him for deflating the ball (they'd have no real ground to stand on in court), but they can nail his ass to the wall for the cell phone thing.

Brady knows he's fucked on that count so he'll probably just take the 4 games.

 

[waggy]

Well, he might. There's no smoking gun here. You can pretty much throw out everything done at half time (and most of the Wells report) and say "there might have been an issue" at best.

Of course, they aren't getting him for deflating the ball (they'd have no real ground to stand on in court), but they can nail his ass to the wall for the cell phone thing.

Brady knows he's fucked on that count so he'll probably just take the 4 games.

doubt he takes the 4. in fact i bet he gets 2 games.

it just don't seem right that he gets 4 yet a wife beater gets 2.

 

[emperus]

Interesting that all this NEW damming information was not included in the Wells report.

and the timing of this announcement w/ respect to the Pressure testing program announced also (see post above)

Guys, Relax. The NFL just came out with a statement defending it's own punishment. It's an adversarial process, what did you expect the NFL to say in the statement? You guys should at least wait for the other side to make its statement before pulling out your pitchforks. This instant demagoguery is actually pretty scary.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well, he might. There's no smoking gun here. You can pretty much throw out everything done at half time (and most of the Wells report) and say "there might have been an issue" at best.

Of course, they aren't getting him for deflating the ball (they'd have no real ground to stand on in court), but they can nail his ass to the wall for the cell phone thing.

Brady knows he's fucked on that count so he'll probably just take the 4 games.

Brady has already notified the NFLPA to go forward with the Federal lawsuit. Brett Favre received a $50k for not providing his cell phone when requested by the NFL. And there are no texts on the other two's cell phones from Brady with any mention of tampering with the footballs.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Brady has already notified the NFLPA to go forward with the Federal lawsuit. Brett Favre received a $50k for not providing his cell phone when requested by the NFL. And there are no texts on the other two's cell phones from Brady with any mention of tampering with the footballs.

So he was just bored and wanted his cell phone destroyed for giggles? Riiiiiiiight.

He should've just said "I'm not turning it over" and eaten the fine.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

destroying the phone proves he cheated in exactly the same way it proves the existence of the flying spaghetti monster - it doesn't.

the league conspires with a team to perform a sting on that team's opponent mid-game
totally not legitimate

the stung opponent is found guilty of following the league's rules regarding the handling of balls
totally not legitimate

the conspiring team is found to be using balls similarly out of spec to the stung team, with no repercussions
totally not legitimate

appeals are heard by the same individual that decides the verdict and sentence
totally not legitimate

the report absolves the stung team, including all coaches and management, yet the team is still penalized
totally not legitimate

the only one "damaging the integrity" of the nfl here is...the nfl. this unsuccessful appeal now clears the way for the league to get roflstomped in federal court.

 

[emperus]

Brady has already notified the NFLPA to go forward with the Federal lawsuit. Brett Favre received a $50k for not providing his cell phone when requested by the NFL. And there are no texts on the other two's cell phones from Brady with any mention of tampering with the footballs.

That is what is very odd about the statement. Sounds like they wrote it to incite the public. If they had the other two cell phones, why would they need Tom Bradys or what could possibly be on Tom Bradys that they would need to see?

Also, if you don't have a duty to turn over ur cell phone. Why would anyone question if you destroyed it or not?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

destroying the phone proves he cheated in exactly the same way it proves the existence of the flying spaghetti monster - it doesn't.

That's true -- there was probably OTHER embarrassing stuff on the phone he wanted hidden from the league. :biggrin:

The mental gymnastics Patriots fans are going through right now are truly impressive. If you guys could translate that into actual physical moves, you'd be locks for the 2016 Olympic gymnastics team.

the only one "damaging the integrity" of the nfl here is...the nfl. this unsuccessful appeal now clears the way for the league to get roflstomped in federal court.

As someone else said, if only the court could extend Brady's suspension to a full year AND get Goodell fired, that would be the ideal outcome.

 

[waggy]

That is what is very odd about the statement. Sounds like they wrote it to incite the public. If they had the other two cell phones, why would they need Tom Bradys or what could possibly be on Tom Bradys that they would need to see?

Also, if you don't have a duty to turn over ur cell phone. Why would anyone question if you destroyed it or not?

uh..

how often do you destroy a cell phone? if i get a new one i usually keep the old in case of accident.

 

[emperus]

uh..

how often do you destroy a cell phone? if i get a new one i usually keep the old in case of accident.

And how often do you make 20 million dollars a year and marry a Super model worth even more? I'm sure if Brady lost his cell phone, he'd probably send an assistant to get him a new one or call the Apple store and have someone run one over to him.

I'm not sure why he destroyed it, but I'm sure he's the one that told Goodell he did, so I think there may be more to the story. I'm at least willing to keep an open mind and not judge someone on the sole words of another.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

That's true -- there was probably OTHER embarrassing stuff on the phone he wanted hidden from the league. :biggrin:

The mental gymnastics Patriots fans are going through right now are truly impressive. If you guys could translate that into actual physical moves, you'd be locks for the 2016 Olympic gymnastics team.



As someone else said, if only the court could extend Brady's suspension to a full year AND get Goodell fired, that would be the ideal outcome.

the only ones performing mental gymnastics are people such as yourself, looking forward to deus ex machina to stop the patriots from whipping your teams' asses again and again. your argument is nothing but cheerleading, devoid of fact or logic.

 

[Phoenix86]

Brady has already notified the NFLPA to go forward with the Federal lawsuit. Brett Favre received a $50k for not providing his cell phone when requested by the NFL. And there are no texts on the other two's cell phones from Brady with any mention of tampering with the footballs.

Refusing to turn something over and destroying it when you know someone wants it for evidence is a bit different. One is a moral stand "I don't feel you have the right", the other is incriminating.

It's pretty clear the NFL is upping it's penalties for personal conduct vs. 5 years ago. Also, game ethics is a tad more important than who you're fucking on the side.

In a vacuum, 1/4th of a season isn't really an egregious penalty for destroying evidence. If a business owner was destroying evidence in a white collar crime case (not conviction), would you say 1/4th of a year's pay is too much of a crime for the destruction of evidence?

 

[Phoenix86]

the only ones performing mental gymnastics are people such as yourself, looking forward to deus ex machina to stop the patriots from whipping your teams' asses again and again. your argument is nothing but cheerleading, devoid of fact or logic.

To be fair, it seems there's a lot of fan bias in this on every side. I don't really have a dog in the fight and it's funny to see people justify this or that.

Your list conveniently left out the one thing they are actually pinning on Brady, the cell phone destruction. That doesn't dismiss the points you do list though. You're pretty much spot on with them.

In my eyes the NFL is WAY more at fault here than anyone else, but I'm not sure what people are expecting. Goodell isn't going to suspend himself for being incompetent.

 

[LevelSea]

bullshit. Rex grossmen then cutler are!

RG3 is better than Montana, Brady, Grossman, and Cutler.


Combined.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Phone or no phone, I think the carrier will retain records for law enforcement for a given period of time Brady clearly destroyed the phone to keep it out of the investigation and the NFL has no subpoena power to go after the records in an internal matter like this. But if Brady sues, won't the records become fair game in a court case? Any lawyers here know?

 

[waggy]

And how often do you make 20 million dollars a year and marry a Super model worth even more? I'm sure if Brady lost his cell phone, he'd probably send an assistant to get him a new one or call the Apple store and have someone run one over to him.

I'm not sure why he destroyed it, but I'm sure he's the one that told Goodell he did, so I think there may be more to the story. I'm at least willing to keep an open mind and not judge someone on the sole words of another.

how often? oh shit weekly. but i still keep track of my phone...


or not. heh