"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[Phokus]

A Pittsburgh laboratory tested balls and environmental theory as to why the PSI dropped is a VERY good argument as to why the balls lost PSI (Average of 1.8 PSI Lost, max of 1.95 PSI LOST!). Remember how the idiot armchair scientists here said this was impossible? You RETARDS:

https://uploads.strikinglycdn.com/f...dSmartLabs_The_Science_Behind_DeflateGate.pdf

Pittsburgh, PA (January 23, 2015) -- HeadSmart™Labs, a Healy Ventures LLC company, today
announced findings from a study on football inflation levels in different climates. The study indicated
that the pressure in the footballs used in the AFC Championship game could have dropped 1.95 PSI
from weather and field conditions alone.

HeadSmart Labs set out to discover if weather during the AFC Championship Game on Sunday,
January 18 could have affected the inflation levels in the footballs. The Lab designed a study that would
simulate the external elements the game footballs were exposed to. The study encompasses the
timeframe from when referees would have initially tested the footballs prior to the start of the game, to
the time when the footballs were found to have a lower air pressure during halftime. Reports state that
when the game officials tested the New England Patriots’ footballs during halftime, 11 of the 12 were
found to have lost pressure of about 2 PSI.

“We took 12 brand new authentic NFL footballs and exposed them to the different elements they would
have experienced throughout the game.” said Thomas Healy, founder of HeadSmart Labs. “Out of the
twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to
dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

During testing, twelve brand new footballs were inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree Fahrenheit room.
This was to imitate the indoor conditions where the referees would have tested the footballs 2 hours
and 15 minutes before kickoff. The footballs were then moved to a 50 degree Fahrenheit environment
to simulate the temperatures that were experienced throughout the game. In addition, the footballs
were dampened to replicate the rainy conditions.HeadSmart Labs found that on average the footballs
dropped 1.1 PSI from the 25 degree temperature

change alone. The Lab also found that when the leather was wet, the ball dropped an additional 0.7
PSI. In combination, it was found that on average the footballs lost 1.8 PSI with a max of 1.95 PSI from
exposure to game day elements.

About HeadSmart™ Labs, a Healy Ventures LLC company
HeadSmart™ Labs is a research company that is working on developing new approaches, testing
devices, and products to aid in the prevention of head injuries from impact sports where helmets are
required. HeadSmart Labs is currently working with researchers from Carnegie Mellon University, as
well as student athletes from the Carnegie Mellon football team. Learn more at

 

[Pacfanweb]

A Pittsburgh laboratory tested balls and environmental theory as to why the PSI dropped is a VERY good argument as to why the balls lost PSI (Average of 1.8 PSI Lost, max of 1.95 PSI LOST!). Remember how the idiot armchair scientists here said this was impossible? You RETARDS:

https://uploads.strikinglycdn.com/f...dSmartLabs_The_Science_Behind_DeflateGate.pdf

Problem with this is, the Colts' balls were tested and were right, both before the game, and after spending 4hrs outside in the exact same temps.

So why didn't a single one of their balls lose any pressure when in the same elements?


Only thing I can think of is, were they initially inflated outside?

 

[Jimzz]

A Pittsburgh laboratory tested balls and environmental theory as to why the PSI dropped is a VERY good argument as to why the balls lost PSI (Average of 1.8 PSI Lost, max of 1.95 PSI LOST!). Remember how the idiot armchair scientists here said this was impossible? You RETARDS:

https://uploads.strikinglycdn.com/f...dSmartLabs_The_Science_Behind_DeflateGate.pdf

You do realize the balls were brought back into a warm room before they were measured. They are not measured on the field for official PSI.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Problem with this is, the Colts' balls were tested and were right, both before the game, and after spending 4hrs outside in the exact same temps.

So why didn't a single one of their balls lose any pressure when in the same elements?


Only thing I can think of is, were they initially inflated outside?

There is no report that says that they didn't lose any air. Only that they were within compliance. So, it's possible that Indy doesn't prepare their balls the same as NE that raises the PSI of the ball, Luck prefers the ball at 13.5 psi and when measures at half-time the balls lost psi but were still 12.5 or above.

 

[Pacfanweb]

You do realize the balls were brought back into a warm room before they were measured. They are not measured on the field for official PSI.

And you do realize they don't lose or gain pressure as soon as the temp changes? It takes awhile.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You do realize the balls were brought back into a warm room before they were measured. They are not measured on the field for official PSI.

Half-time is only 15 minutes long, not enough time for the temp of the balls to acclimate to the indoor temp.

 

[Phokus]

Problem with this is, the Colts' balls were tested and were right, both before the game, and after spending 4hrs outside in the exact same temps.

So why didn't a single one of their balls lose any pressure when in the same elements?


Only thing I can think of is, were they initially inflated outside?

The colts balls were inflated outside in an uninsulated shed. Also, we have no idea what the colts inflated the balls to. Aaron Rodgers actually likes inflating past the legal nfl spec. If the colts inflated at a higher range, that could also account for that. There's lots of variables.

 

[BUTCH1]

There is no report that says that they didn't lose any air. Only that they were within compliance. So, it's possible that Indy doesn't prepare their balls the same as NE that raises the PSI of the ball, Luck prefers the ball at 13.5 psi and when measures at half-time the balls lost psi but were still 12.5 or above.

Nor do we know how Luck likes his footballs, he might like the feel of a brand-new ball or he might like one that's been "broken in". IMHO the Patriots staff were busy scuffing up the balls as Brady likes them and during that process the PSI was temporarily raised, then you throw in the drop due to a wet, cold, windy environment and you have your 2 PSI drop.

 

[CZroe]

You do realize the balls were brought back into a warm room before they were measured. They are not measured on the field for official PSI.

You think you're so smart with an answer like this, but all it does is show that you don't understand that there is a RANGE of allowable PSI. One can assume that Tom Brady likes his on the lower side of the range while the other team likes their on the higher side of the scale. This explanation works perfectly if the other team was at the higher end of the range or if their balls were allowed more time to warm up because they were checked last.

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...flategate-sketch-snl-patriots-tom-brady-video

 

[BUTCH1]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...flategate-sketch-snl-patriots-tom-brady-video

That was pretty LOL, love the reference to "A few good men" lines thrown in.

 

[waggy]

lol

this is just fucking entertaining. so many people bitching about the pats but ignore that other teams have been nailed for messing with the ball DURING games games.

personally if you going to allow QB's to scuff the ball or such then why are we whinning about it being slightly deflated?

then you ignore the fact rodgers says he likes it overinflated! fuck him. he should be kicked off the packers and every win the packers have had turned into a loss@!

 

[Mixolydian]

lol american priorities.

 

[Phokus]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/#comments

As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH


HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

OMFG, this case is falling apart SO FUCKING QUICKLY. I'm sure the patriots haters, the media, and the NFL will issue a QUICK and FORCEFUL apology after this is all done. *CRICKETS*

You fuckers should be lining up to suck Belichick's GIGANTIC INFLATED BALLS

 

[Perknose]

HA

[...]

BALLS

DoOd, you and your posts here are seriously overinflated.

Please let some air out of yourself . . . so you can get a better grip.

 

[Ban Bot]

100ppp, and I had to read through page 4 (that's 100 posts for you folks counting at home) in order to make sure this wasn't already posted. So I had to wade through the monkey's throwing poo at each other, which is why I should have gone with my first impulse, which was, "Re-post? I don't care."

Anyway, I have no strong opinion, no skin in this game, but I found this article quite interesting:

The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible.

Advanced Football Analytics also shows, comapred to other outdoor teams, New England is a couple standard deviations better than other outdoor teams. The highlight:

Of the 23 outdoor teams, the non-New England teams average 53 plays between fumbles, with a range of 37 at the low end and 58 at the high end.

New England?

78 plays between fumbles.

The difference between the worst (37) and next best (58) outdoor teams is 21 plays. Between #1 and #2 is 20. When you dig into players before becoming Patriots and post-Patriot performance ... The most telling number: The major deviation between Patriot and Opponent fumbles appeared in 2007. What is so significant about 2007? That was the first year each team got to prep their own balls. Only a patsy fan would believe it is mere coincidence that NE would perform typically and when the team had the ability to tamper with their balls in 2007 that they magically got better. Yes, because in 2007 Belichick started focusing on owning the ball. Yeah, thats the ticket!

I am surprised at all the comments saying no one noticed before. A number of teams complained this year alone--and the NFL didn't do anything about it. And for all of BB's comments on Boyle's law I think the one he needs to look at is the Gay-Lussac's law (or Amontons' Law) as the issue is a predefined amount of gas in a fixed volume with variable temperatures.

I know Patriot fans will have a hard time believing the correlation but this is the same team who were videotaping signals and were accused of tape WALKTHROUGHS. Convenient how the NFL destroyed the tapes as nothing would be more condemning to the NFL than to know a team cheated another team in the Super Bowl by stealing their first plays. That would have been a killer blow to the integrity of the game.

Like I said earlier I think the underinflation is a minor issue. It could make a difference in a close game and is an advantage but it is an unpredictable advantage. The bigger issue is New England was flaunting the rules. It doesn't change a thing if New England put the balls in a 90 degree room and filled them with warm air, had the refs check, and as they sat outside lost a couple PSI. The end result would be NE was purposely taking measures to ensure they played with illegal balls. It isn't an accident they would take measure to ensure their balls were softer. And as multiple teams complained during the season--and yet the NFL continued to allow it to happen--it seems pretty clear the NFL doesn't have much interest in enforcing the ball rules. I have proof the NFL doesn't care about ball integrity. Proof?

The NFL just fined two Seattle players for checking their balls in the last game.

 

[Phokus]

Advanced Football Analytics also shows, comapred to other outdoor teams, New England is a couple standard deviations better than other outdoor teams. The highlight:

Of the 23 outdoor teams, the non-New England teams average 53 plays between fumbles, with a range of 37 at the low end and 58 at the high end.

New England?

78 plays between fumbles.

The difference between the worst (37) and next best (58) outdoor teams is 21 plays. Between #1 and #2 is 20. When you dig into players before becoming Patriots and post-Patriot performance ... The most telling number: The major deviation between Patriot and Opponent fumbles appeared in 2007. What is so significant about 2007? That was the first year each team got to prep their own balls. Only a patsy fan would believe it is mere coincidence that NE would perform typically and when the team had the ability to tamper with their balls in 2007 that they magically got better. Yes, because in 2007 Belichick started focusing on owning the ball. Yeah, thats the ticket!

I am surprised at all the comments saying no one noticed before. A number of teams complained this year alone--and the NFL didn't do anything about it. And for all of BB's comments on Boyle's law I think the one he needs to look at is the Gay-Lussac's law (or Amontons' Law) as the issue is a predefined amount of gas in a fixed volume with variable temperatures.

I know Patriot fans will have a hard time believing the correlation but this is the same team who were videotaping signals and were accused of tape WALKTHROUGHS. Convenient how the NFL destroyed the tapes as nothing would be more condemning to the NFL than to know a team cheated another team in the Super Bowl by stealing their first plays. That would have been a killer blow to the integrity of the game.

Like I said earlier I think the underinflation is a minor issue. It could make a difference in a close game and is an advantage but it is an unpredictable advantage. The bigger issue is New England was flaunting the rules. It doesn't change a thing if New England put the balls in a 90 degree room and filled them with warm air, had the refs check, and as they sat outside lost a couple PSI. The end result would be NE was purposely taking measures to ensure they played with illegal balls. It isn't an accident they would take measure to ensure their balls were softer. And as multiple teams complained during the season--and yet the NFL continued to allow it to happen--it seems pretty clear the NFL doesn't have much interest in enforcing the ball rules. I have proof the NFL doesn't care about ball integrity. Proof?

The NFL just fined two Seattle players for checking their balls in the last game.

Read up this page, the deflategate story is unravelling

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg&index=196&list=PL82E9266E951F02F0

 

[BUTCH1]

Yea, from the link provided a commissioner like Tagliabue would have just sent a memo to all teams reminding them of the importance of proper inflation and a notice that game balls will be checked randomly in the future. Instead Goodell thought he would lay a trap for the Pat's but it just wound up making a huge mess on the eve of the leagues premier event and it will be difficult if not impossible to prove the Patriots did anything wrong. Goodell has to be the worst commissioner in the league's history.

 

[SP33Demon]

The NFL is a total shitshow. One day we'll be laughing at all the time we wasted watching a sport that allowed players to bring their own non-standardized footballs to use in an official game. lmao. Even funnier is the emotional investment of phokus and others in this thread, get a life. You are defending a team and a sport that is on the decline, and nobody will ever know if the pats are still cheating because the NFL will once again sweep any evidence under the rug to protect their image. The sooner you are cognizant of the big picture, the better your life will be.

 

[cubby1223]

OMFG, this case is falling apart SO FUCKING QUICKLY. I'm sure the patriots haters, the media, and the NFL will issue a QUICK and FORCEFUL apology after this is all done. *CRICKETS*

You fuckers should be lining up to suck Belichick's GIGANTIC INFLATED BALLS

So... it's like you were caught speeding 20mph over the limit instead of 30mph. And this makes you special how?

 

[smackababy]

So, there is some Bill Nye video supposedly refuting the claim that the weather conditions and the play contributed to the loss of PSI. Yet, every clip all I can find Nye saying is "I don't think rubbing the balls would cause PSI to be lost." Literally, zero refuting.

Also, the Pro Bowl is today (tonight? who knows?). I certainly am not watching it.

 

[Phokus]

So... it's like you were caught speeding 20mph over the limit instead of 30mph. And this makes you special how?

The NFL is a total shitshow. One day we'll be laughing at all the time we wasted watching a sport that allowed players to bring their own non-standardized footballs to use in an official game. lmao. Even funnier is the emotional investment of phokus and others in this thread, get a life. You are defending a team and a sport that is on the decline, and nobody will ever know if the pats are still cheating because the NFL will once again sweep any evidence under the rug to protect their image. The sooner you are cognizant of the big picture, the better your life will be.

Oh, aren't you going to come back and explain to us how avogadro's law makes the heat explanation bullshit? Literally everything you guys have said is wrong. You fuckers got teabagged over and over and over again. Everything from science to the facts.

Here's the video again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg&index=196&list=PL82E9266E951F02F0

Fucking pwned. I will laugh my ass off if it was really a 1 PSI loss as the PFT article stated.

 

[billbobaggins87]

even if you take out the 1st half points the pats earned. after that they were on a new set of game balls.. they still Stomped the colts. The only problem with the situation is that it seems like its a cover up and a lie out of the pats and the NFL. taints anything they do in next weeks game

 

[Centauri]

If the Patriots wind up losing, I think some of the blame can be laid at the craziness of this completely unnecessary freakshow.

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh, aren't you going to come back and explain to us how avogadro's law makes the heat explanation bullshit? Literally everything you guys have said is wrong. You fuckers got teabagged over and over and over again. Everything from science to the facts.

Here's the video again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg&index=196&list=PL82E9266E951F02F0

Fucking pwned. I will laugh my ass off if it was really a 1 PSI loss as the PFT article stated.

Your critical thinking cap is broken and you are wearing your gullible panties today. If the Colts inflated to a regulation 13.5, then by that experiment their balls would have been under the legal limit as well. The laws of physics apply to both teams. Yes, keep pwning us, please. Like Arnold said: "He is like a child, and I am his father."