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Tom Brady is the "greatest" quarterback since the merger.

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It is important to note just how much easier it is being a quarterback and a wide receiver in today's NFL than back in the day.
 
Whatever frontrunner. None of you Brady/Patriots cockgobblers were fans before they started winning. You're disgusting NFL fans, the worse. The kind that real fans will purge in the revolution. Disgusting.
 
momeNt said:
Eli Manning and Coughlin is the best duo of all time, they beat Knoll/Bradshaw, Walsh/Montana, and Brady/Belichick.
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That is probably one of the dumbest sports related things I've read lately. What exactly is your reasoning behind this? Any stat you throw out and Eli is going to be last on that list.
 
Nintendesert said:
Whatever frontrunner. None of you Brady/Patriots cockgobblers were fans before they started winning. You're disgusting NFL fans, the worse. The kind that real fans will purge in the revolution. Disgusting.
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I'm a Vikings fan and have been since I was a kid. :hmm:

KT
 
techs said:
Taking all factors into account Brady wins. Not by much, but he does.

He has the statistics and personal records. He has the playoff wins and the Super Bowl wins.

Some people may claim that Montana's four wins in four Super Bowls is better than Brady's 3 out of 5. Well, Montana played before free agency and the salary cap. That's the big difference. With those two conditions Super Bowl winning teams are almost guaranteed to turn over significant players within a year or two.

Montana had the best team and that team got to stay together for many years. Brady went to the Super Bowl last year with virtually an entirely new team then the ones he went to his first Super Bowls with.

Brady has had to play several different styles of QB. The ball control qb. The deep passing qb. The passing as a running game.

When Brady had a great deep threat he set the passing touchdown record. When he had a great slot receiver he revolutionized the position with the short passing game.

The expanded playoffs let more teams in which meant that the hot team had a chance of getting in and running the table. Which is what the Giants did recently.

Currently the race for greatest qb is very tight. If Brady gets the Pats in again, with the 25th ranked defense, win or lose, he clearly becomes the greatest qb ever.
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Montana played in a tougher era. He had a great team but Brady hasn't had mincemeat by any stretch of the imagination.

In my opinion Brady is second but I'd take Montana over him every time.

I don't agree at all that Brady just getting them there makes him better. He has to actually get them more Super Bowl wins.
 
Marino on a team with a run game. If there was free agency he probably could went to a better team and won like 5 super bowls.
 
momeNt said:
Eli Manning and Coughlin is the best duo of all time, they beat Knoll/Bradshaw, Walsh/Montana, and Brady/Belichick.
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Which is why they didn't even make the playoffs this year...😕

darkswordsman17 said:
Montana played in a tougher era. He had a great team but Brady hasn't had mincemeat by any stretch of the imagination.

In my opinion Brady is second but I'd take Montana over him every time.

I don't agree at all that Brady just getting them there makes him better. He has to actually get them more Super Bowl wins.
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How many Conference Championship Games did Montana make with Reche Caldwell as his leading receiver?

All Brady needs is one more Super Bowl win.

4 SB + 6 CC > 4SB + 4CC
 
The thing is, the New England is probably the best run franchise in sports. Brady is a fantastic qb, certainly, but football is a team game of 53 players. The Patriots have used their players more intelligently and more effectively than any other nfl team, ever.
 
Nintendesert said:
Whatever frontrunner. None of you Brady/Patriots cockgobblers were fans before they started winning. You're disgusting NFL fans, the worse. The kind that real fans will purge in the revolution. Disgusting.
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Brady wasn't really around before he started winning.

There's plenty of those assholes (like 4-5 years ago a friend of a friend started wearing Pats and Red Sox stuff and claimed he wasn't a bandwagon fan), but your statement is idiotic.

There are few people that hate the Patriots more than I do, but you've gotta give Brady his due.
 
preslove said:
The thing is, the New England is probably the best run franchise in sports. Brady is a fantastic, certainly, but football is a team game of 53 players. The Patriots have used their players more intelligently and more effectively than any other nfl team, ever.
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Matt Cassel was 11-5 on that team, which I think illustrates your point well.
 
darkswordsman17 said:
Brady wasn't really around before he started winning.

There's plenty of those assholes (like 4-5 years ago a friend of a friend started wearing Pats and Red Sox stuff and claimed he wasn't a bandwagon fan), but your statement is idiotic.

There are few people that hate the Patriots more than I do, but you've gotta give Brady his due.
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I'm not talking about Brady, I'm talking about the fans. KT, you're safe, you won't be purged in the Tim Tebow Revolution that's coming.
 
Ultimately these types of arguments come down to rings, stats, and longevity. And yet it's still impossible to say who would be more successful in the other's era. Montana on the patriots under belichick would have been a helluva sight as well.
 
nehalem256 said:
Which is why they didn't even make the playoffs this year...😕



How many Conference Championship Games did Montana make with Reche Caldwell as his leading receiver?

All Brady needs is one more Super Bowl win.

4 SB + 6 CC > 4SB + 4CC
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How does that dispute my claim about toughness?

Uh, ok? You act like that proves that Brady was on a crap team? It doesn't, it actually shows you that Brady has been on good teams that could overcome stuff like crap receivers more often than not.

It would put him above on accolades, but I'd still take Montana every single time. Brady is great (he's the clear #2) but two very different eras so comparing accolades is meaningless in my opinion.

And hey, Brady does have to actually win another Super Bowl for your reasoning to work too. :awe:
 
jjsole said:
You can't say montana played with more hall of famers because there will be plenty of pats in the HOF. And if free agency is why it's harder for brady, you also have to take in account montana competed against teams before free agency, which theoretically (according to your argument), should all have been tougher to beat as well.

Both players had some exceptional talent around them as well as exceptional coaching. Both players are also exceptional leaders. Both are clutch players.

At this point, I find it hard to say Montana was hands down better than brady, but I'm not ready to say brady is hands down better than montana.
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Free agency allows a good team to load up now at the expense of later seasons. Contracts can be structured to allow a team to try and get to one or two Super Bows before the bad salaries force them into a few years of poor teams.(see New York Jets)

So, Montana played against teams with far more static rosters who couldn't add that great running back, D lineman etc for a one or two year shot. Brady plays against teams that can add that great player.
 
techs said:
That year the Pats had a very good defense and still Cassel couldn't get them into the playoffs much less the Super Bowl
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Cassel was hilariously awful for the first half of the season and only slightly better the second half. Basically, he did just enough not to completely fuck up. The defense allowed them to just edge out good teams and completely trash bad ones.
 
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