"Tolerant" Palin, not so tolerant afterall

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Suggesting that people who oppose gay marriage also hate gays is akin to saying that people who are pro-life hate women and want to punish them with an unwanted pregnancy.

One does equal the other.

WOW!! What a fix!! Finally some truth in a Poofjohn post.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Perknose
No surprise. Apparently she belongs to our own American equivalent of the Taliban, militant religious fundamentalists who want to use the highest levers of state power to enforce the theocratic dictates of their angry, vengeful, primitive God on YOU.

Allah Akhbar! :roll:

Hmm....Not allowing gays to marry does not = Taliban. You are minimizing the strife that homosexuals in radical Islamic states go through, dont you think? As in being stoned possibly.

Oh wait, according to Mr. Imadingusjackoff, there are no gays over there.

i think you're referring to ahmadinejad... and if you are, i have no idea how the hell you equated the taliban to iran...

 

[eits]

"I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that's where we would go. I don't support gay marriage," Palin said. She said she believed traditional marriage is the foundation for strong families.

/facepalm...

this kind of shit is really annoying and so hard to cure...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Opposition to gay marriage is hate.

With statements like this, it really doesn't leave much room for debate, does it?

^^ says the religious radical... lol

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Opposition to gay marriage is hate.

With statements like this, it really doesn't leave much room for debate, does it?

^^ says the religious radical... lol

I'm not religious, nor am I a radical.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Suggesting that people who oppose gay marriage also hate gays is akin to saying that people who are pro-choice hate kids.

Suggesting that this sentence of yours is a valid analogy is akin to saying that an open cesspool is a swimming pool.

 

[frostedflakes]

Why are people calling this a flip-flop? She clearly stated her views in the debate -- she (supposedly) doesn't have any problem with homosexuals and same-sex civil unions, but she opposes calling them marriages. Protecting the "sanctity of marriage" or some nonsense like that (in a country where like 1/3 of couples end up divorcing).

 

[manowar821]

I oppose opposite sex marriages, because the act of consensual straight sex is a disgusting abomination, is unnatural, and should not be rewarded. We cannot let these conservative "traditionalists" tarnish the name of marriage. IT IS WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK (That I just wrote into, myself), that a marriage is between TWO MEN, or TWO WOMEN.

Dur dur durrrr. Make's about as much sense, da?

It's all freedom or no freedom, don't fucking kid yourself into thinking that it's acceptable to pick and choose who gets to be more free, and who gets to have their harmless preferences marked as "bad" by a moral majority. Fuck the moral majority, and fuck the supporters of this ban.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Opposition to gay marriage is hate..

so why are you championing Obama?

Obama says it because he feels he has to to get elected. McCain says it because he believes it.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Why are people calling this a flip-flop? She clearly stated her views in the debate -- she (supposedly) doesn't have any problem with homosexuals and same-sex civil unions, but she opposes calling them marriages. Protecting the "sanctity of marriage" or some nonsense like that (in a country where like 1/3 of couples end up divorcing).

Assuming you're talking about the u.s., it's 50+% for first marriages and 75+% for second marriages. Sorry for the downer...

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Why are people calling this a flip-flop? She clearly stated her views in the debate -- she (supposedly) doesn't have any problem with homosexuals and same-sex civil unions, but she opposes calling them marriages. Protecting the "sanctity of marriage" or some nonsense like that (in a country where like 1/3 of couples end up divorcing).

Assuming you're talking about the u.s., it's 50+% for first marriages and 75+% for second marriages. Sorry for the downer...

Close, but not quite.......


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_05.htm

And another's take on further adjusting those calcs......

http://www.divorcereform.org/nyt05.html

 

[kamiller42]

Not sure where people thought Palin would not support marriage as being between a man and a woman. Let's review the debate transcript.

PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead.

But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.

But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties.

But I will tell Americans straight up that I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means.

But I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage.

PALIN: Your question to [Biden] was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

There is a difference between "tolerance" and "support." I don't see anything she said to indicate she would support gay marriage. Quite the opposite.

I find some irony in a thread by those who say Palin should express tolerance for a redefinition of marriage, and if not, then he/she express some intolerant remarks. You cannot believe she is enforcing her morality without understanding how you are attempting to force your own.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Opposition to gay marriage is hate..

so why are you championing Obama?

REPUBLICANS
John McCain
Believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. Voted for the Defense of Marriage Act but voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. Says states and local governments should set their own marriage policies

Voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 1996. During an interview in 2000, McCain said: "I think that the present laws that clearly prevent a discrimination of any kind certainly [apply] to gays and homosexuals as well. That's why I voted the way that I did. I think that enforcement of existing law could work rather than passing special laws for special categories of people."

When asked about the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, McCain said: "...I don't think there's any doubt that there are evolving attitudes in America about many issues, including this one, but every military leader that I talk to, I say 'Should we change it?' They say, 'It's working.' And right now we've got the best military we've ever had -- the most professional, best trained, equipped and the bravest. And so I think it's logical to leave this issue alone. I really do."

The McCain campaign states that gay adoption is a state issue and does not endorse any federal legislation. Watch McCain speak about same-sex marriage
Sarah Palin
Stated on Sarah Palin for Governor Web site: "I believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman."

Stated during the vice presidential debate October 2, "No one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties."

According to a New York Times report, she supported an amendment to the Alaska state constitution that would have banned same-sex marriage, but, during her tenure as governor, she vetoed a bill that would have denied health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees on grounds that it was unconstitutional.



DEMOCRATS
Barack Obama
Opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban. Says he would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. As stated on the Obama campaign Web site, he supports full civil unions that "give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as married couples, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency as well as equal health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights."

Says the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. Advocated legislation that sought to expand federal hate crimes law to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Says the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy needs to be repealed.
Watch Obama speak about same-sex marriage
Joe Biden
Opposes same-sex marriage. Voted against a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage. Supports civil unions. Says he believes legal recognition should not be denied to same-sex couples. Advocates re-examining federal laws, including the tax code, to ensure national laws are not unfair to same-sex couples and that committed adults who are adopting are not discriminated against because of sexual orientation. Supports letting states determine how to recognize civil unions and define marriage. Also supports ending the military's "don't ask, don't tell" Policy. Supports adding sexual orientation to the definition of hate crimes.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Suggesting that people who oppose gay marriage also hate gays is akin to saying that people who are pro-choice hate kids.

One does not equal the other.

Only when you rationalize and compartmentalize via bigotry. Opposition to gay marriage is hate. It is the desire to prevent, because of insane bigotry, another person from having what you do. The religious bigot wants to proclaim his love for another before God with all the emotional joy that brings, but he or she wants to prevent other people bases on pure bigotry, from doing exactly the same. Such people are vial and evil and don't deserve a place in civilized society. They are identical to racist swine.

Amen Brother!! Preach it!!!

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Let the gays have their "marriage", just don't call it marriage to piss off the religious folks. Have it completely equal under the law as far as rights go. What the fuck is wrong with that?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Let the gays have their "marriage", just don't call it marriage to piss off the religious folks. Have it completely equal under the law as far as rights go. What the fuck is wrong with that?

I have believed for years that the anti-gay marriage movement is funded by insurance companies trying to get out of paying benefits. I don't remember ever seeing this disproved.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Perknose
No surprise. Apparently she belongs to our own American equivalent of the Taliban, militant religious fundamentalists who want to use the highest levers of state power to enforce the theocratic dictates of their angry, vengeful, primitive God on YOU.

Allah Akhbar! :roll:

Hmm....Not allowing gays to marry does not = Taliban. You are minimizing the strife that homosexuals in radical Islamic states go through, dont you think? As in being stoned possibly.

Oh wait, according to Mr. Imadingusjackoff, there are no gays over there.

i think you're referring to ahmadinejad... and if you are, i have no idea how the hell you equated the taliban to iran...

Apparently you have extremely low reading comprehension. I bolded the part that ties them for you.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Perknose
No surprise. Apparently she belongs to our own American equivalent of the Taliban, militant religious fundamentalists who want to use the highest levers of state power to enforce the theocratic dictates of their angry, vengeful, primitive God on YOU.

Allah Akhbar! :roll:

Hmm....Not allowing gays to marry does not = Taliban.

Yes it does

Please leave the country if you don't like it.

No, it doesnt. You have an extremely simple mind if you think gay rights in the US currently, and gay rights under the Taliban are equal. Personally, I think that eliminates you from all further conversation on the matter.

And I am voting "no" on Prop 8 here in California. I dont care what people do. But I also dont need to use hyperbole.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Perknose
No surprise. Apparently she belongs to our own American equivalent of the Taliban, militant religious fundamentalists who want to use the highest levers of state power to enforce the theocratic dictates of their angry, vengeful, primitive God on YOU.

Allah Akhbar! :roll:

Hmm....Not allowing gays to marry does not = Taliban.

Yes it does

Please leave the country if you don't like it.

No, it doesnt. You have an extremely simple mind if you think gay rights in the US currently, and gay rights under the Taliban are equal. Personally, I think that eliminates you from all further conversation on the matter.

And I am voting "no" on Prop 8 here in California. I dont care what people do. But I also dont need to use hyperbole.

So, everyone is (or would be) voting no and yet there's still arguing.

Anyway, the bolded made me laugh. As if there are any rights under the taliban.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Governor Palin is quite tolerant of Gays. Just so long as they stay in their place.

Their place being in the closet? :laugh:

Seriously though, there's an amendment on our ballots in FL to define marriage as 1 man + 1 woman. I haven't noticed a big 'push' for it but I've seen a few bumper stickers. Of course, they're always accompanied by McCain/Palin stickers, jebus fish, and the local christian radio station.

 

[Sinsear]

I wish we could have a nationwide vote on a ban. It would be interesting to see the results.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I wish we could have a nationwide vote on a ban. It would be interesting to see the results.

No more interesting that a nationwide vote on slavery 150 years ago. There's a reason why our government is not a pure majority-rule system.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: robphelan
After telling the entire world how tolerant towards homosexuals she is during her "debate", she thumbs her nose at McCain and now publicly supports a Constitutional ban on gay marriage (McCain wants to leave it up to the states).

link

:thumbsdown:

Has no reason to be in the US Constitution, period.

Right to free speech.
Right to arms.
Right to vote.
Right to not be "icked-out" by seeing teh gays holding hands!

:music: One of these things is not like the other.. :music:

 

[StageLeft]

There's a great use of government's time.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well I'm not tolerant of her and her kind either. There's lot of animosity out there between Social Conservatives and Social Moderates/Social Liberals.