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Green battle pits redwoods against solar panels
Sunnyvale couple first in state convicted under Solar Shade Control Act
By Paul Rogers, MEDIANEWS STAFF
Article Created: 02/07/2008 02:32:13 AM PST

Talk about a clash of cherished green values.

In a case with statewide significance, the Santa Clara County District Attorney's office cited a Sunnyvale couple under a little-known California law because redwood trees in their backyard cast a shadow over their neighbor's solar panels.

Richard Treanor and Carolynn Bissett own a Prius and consider themselves environmentalists. But they refuse to cut down any of the trees behind their house on Benton Street, saying they've done nothing wrong.

"We're just living here in peace. We want to be left alone," said Bissett, who with her husband has spent $25,000 defending themselves against criminal charges. "We support solar power, but we thought common sense would prevail."

Their neighbor Mark Vargas considers himself an environmentalist too. His 10-kilowatt solar system that he installed in 2001 is so big he pays only about $60 a year in electrical bills. He drives an electric car.

Vargas said he first asked Treanor and Bissett to chop down the eight redwoods, which the couple had planted between 1997 and 1999 along the fence separating their yards. Later he asked them to trim the trees to about 15 feet.

"I offered to pay for the removal of the trees. I said 'let's try to work something out,'" Vargas said. "They said no to everything."

He installed the panels.

After several years of squabbling and failed mediation, Vargas filed a complaint with the Santa Clara County district attorney
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arguing that the trees reduce the amount of electricity he can generate. In 2005, prosecutors agreed.

They sent Treanor and Bissett a letter informing them that they were in violation of California's "Solar Shade Control Act" and that if they didn't "abate the violation" within 30 days, they would face fines of up to $1,000 a day.

The law, signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown in 1978, is rarely used. But county prosecutors say Treanor and Bissett are breaking it.

"It's not that we think trees are more or less important than solar collectors. It's that our state's leaders have said under the following circumstances, solar takes precedence," said Ken Rosenblatt, supervising Santa Clara County deputy district attorney for environmental protection.

The law was written by former Assemblyman Chuck Imbrecht, a Ventura Republican, as a way to guarantee, amid the energy crises of the 1970s, that people who installed solar wouldn't see a drop in their investment from nearby trees.

It affects only trees planted after 1979, and bans trees or shrubs from shading more than 10 percent of a neighbor's solar panels between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m.

It does not apply to trees or shrubs that were there before the solar panels were installed. But ? and here's the key distinction ? it does apply to existing trees and shrubs which later grew big enough to shade the solar panels. A violation is an infraction, like a parking ticket, but with fines of up to $1,000 a day.

The redwoods, which Treanor and Bissett say they planted for privacy, are now between 20 and 40 feet tall.

In December, Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kurt Kumli found the couple guilty of one count of violating the Solar Shade Control Act. In a partial victory for each side, he ruled that six of the trees can remain and that the two generating the most shade must be removed. He also waived any fines.

But the couple appealed. Why?

They are worried that their case sets a precedent.

Their lawyer can find no other conviction under the shade law.

"We could be done with this and walk away," said Bissett. "But then this could start happening in every city in the state."

Rosenblatt said prosecutors in Sonoma County are watching the case because they have a potential violator.

Meanwhile, Vargas says he can't move his solar panels ? on his roof and his trellis ? because his roof doesn't have enough room.

Kurt Newick, who sells solar systems for a San Jose company says he loves trees as much as anyone, but he falls on the side of solar energy.

"I'm a big tree fan. They increase property values and provide shade and cooling. But it's actually better for the environment to put solar on your roof than to plant a tree," said Newick, who is also chairman of the global warming committee of the Loma Prieta Chapter of the Sierra Club.

"On average a tree only sequesters 14 pounds of carbon dioxide a year and a solar electric system offsets that every two or three days," he said.

But Frank Schiavo, a retired San Jose State University environmental studies lecturer, said the law needs fixing.

"If you have trees you should be left alone," said Schiavo, who also has solar panels on his roof. "This is going to turn into a nightmare for some homeowners. It doesn't seem fair."

Bissett and Treanor plan to ask state politicians to modify the law. Until then, they believe, they are groundbreakers.

"We are the first citizens in the state of California to be convicted of a crime for growing redwood trees," Bissett said, forcing a smile.

cliffs:

-man plants 8 redwoods years ago
-tard puts in solar panels years later
-redwoods grow and block some of the tards panels
-tard uses little know law to OVERRIDE the redwood presence and wins a case to have two of them cut down
-tard vows to file again to have the rest cut down when they start blocking his sun...

 

Aharami

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im actually on the side of solar energy in this case. I'd love trees on my property also but looks like in this case, the judge came to a reasonable compromise. He ruled that 6 trees can be left and only 2 cut down so that both parties benefit. He even waived all of the dumb fees called for by the stupid law in the first place. The couple is just being stubborn.
 

IJump

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Originally posted by: Aharami
im actually on the side of solar energy in this case. I'd love trees on my property also but looks like in this case, the judge came to a reasonable compromise. He ruled that 6 trees can be left and only 2 cut down so that both parties benefit. He even waived all of the dumb fees called for by the stupid law in the first place. The couple is just being stubborn.

I would go along with it, if, as part of the ruling, the "tard" in this case is blocked from filing another complaint against the couple for the trees.
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: IJump
Originally posted by: Aharami
im actually on the side of solar energy in this case. I'd love trees on my property also but looks like in this case, the judge came to a reasonable compromise. He ruled that 6 trees can be left and only 2 cut down so that both parties benefit. He even waived all of the dumb fees called for by the stupid law in the first place. The couple is just being stubborn.

I would go along with it, if, as part of the ruling, the "tard" in this case is blocked from filing another complaint against the couple for the trees.

oh, i wasnt aware that he's allowed to file multiple complaints. I thought once the case is settled, it's done with. Actually, I'm not sure where you're getting that multiple complaint bit. Is that mentioned in the article? I didnt see it in there. It seemed to me that Vargas was being very reasonable in this case. He offered to pay for all costs and only filed the complaint when the couple refused to acquiesce.
 

jjones

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The law has been in place since the late 70s. I'd say the tards are the couple who planted friggin redwoods in their yard. Aren't redwoods the tallest trees there are?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: IJump
Originally posted by: Aharami
im actually on the side of solar energy in this case. I'd love trees on my property also but looks like in this case, the judge came to a reasonable compromise. He ruled that 6 trees can be left and only 2 cut down so that both parties benefit. He even waived all of the dumb fees called for by the stupid law in the first place. The couple is just being stubborn.

I would go along with it, if, as part of the ruling, the "tard" in this case is blocked from filing another complaint against the couple for the trees.

oh, i wasnt aware that he's allowed to file multiple complaints. I thought once the case is settled, it's done with. Actually, I'm not sure where you're getting that multiple complaint bit. Is that mentioned in the article? I didnt see it in there. It seemed to me that Vargas was being very reasonable in this case. He offered to pay for all costs and only filed the complaint when the couple refused to acquiesce.

The guy was on the radio..sorry for not mentioning that bit
 

skace

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"On average a tree only sequesters 14 pounds of carbon dioxide a year and a solar electric system offsets that every two or three days," he said.

I'd say, if true, that is pretty damning information against the trees.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: skace
"On average a tree only sequesters 14 pounds of carbon dioxide a year and a solar electric system offsets that every two or three days," he said.

I'd say, if true, that is pretty damning information against the trees.

lol

"Git the STIHL boi!" :D
 

eits

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tard = douchebag who planted fucking redwoods in his backyard. they're the tallest trees in the world... why did he think that'd be a great idea and no one would have a problem with it?

unless, of course, there are redwoods all over the neighborhood or the neighborhood's in a frigging redwood forrest... then, the tard is the guy with the solar panels. otherwise, it's the butthole who though, "brilliant!" and planted redwoods in the suburbs.
 

KK

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If I was the guy with the trees, I would have taken a pellet gun to the dudes panels.
 

CPA

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Once again, someone's property rights are being violated by a wacko-environmentalist and the stupid wackoenvironmental laws.
 

waggy

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seen this on the news the other day.

while i don't think they should be able to tell anyone what kind of trees you put on your property a redwood is just nuts.

though the guy planted the trees BEFORE the guy next door got solar panels. maybe he should have thought of that before he put them in that place?
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
I can't seem to connect your thread title to your post.

Nor am I getting the connection between an obscure California state law being applied to a California resident by California courts and the Presidential primary elections being held in Virginia, Maryland, and DC. :confused:
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Mwilding
I can't seem to connect your thread title to your post.

Nor am I getting the connection between an obscure California state law being applied to a California resident by California courts and the Presidential primary elections being held in Virginia, Maryland, and DC. :confused:

yeah, that is very trolling
 

rh71

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"Set a precedent"? Fvck them. Keep the trees trimmed and obey the law that's been there. Being good neighbors is too far-fetched an idea for some people. :roll:
 

JulesMaximus

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It's a stupid law and it is equally stupid to sue your neighbors over something as minor as this. Still, you'd think that the couple would have agreed to have their trees trimmed back...as a neighborly gesture.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Mwilding
I can't seem to connect your thread title to your post.

Nor am I getting the connection between an obscure California state law being applied to a California resident by California courts and the Presidential primary elections being held in Virginia, Maryland, and DC. :confused:

yeah, that is very trolling

I had to get up really early to vote and had to vent somewhere:(
 

OutHouse

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a redwood has a fast growth rate up to 25 feet a year. in colorado people have been taken to court because a tree they planted blocked some other neighbors view of the mountains which hurt their property value.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Citrix
a redwood has a fast growth rate up to 25 feet a year. in colorado people have been taken to court because a tree they planted blocked some other neighbors view of the mountains which hurt their property value.

25' a year? Holy crap!!! :shocked: Those things get to be a hundreds of feet tall too. And these people planted 7 of them in their yard? WTF were they thinking...