Today sucks :(

[imported_Imp]

At least you reported it...

Biker hit you on right eh? They do that. I didn't give a shit about road rules until months (half a year) after I started biking on the road. Don't know why, but after I started using one ways properly, and signalling everything, riding got funner. Meanwhile, other bikes blow by me at stop signs cause "they lose too much momentum" to stop or just come to a rolling stop like I do. Guess they haven't learned car>bike.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

While technically you can do that, it is illegal, and you won't have any sympathy from me I run your dumb ass over when you are breaking the law.

It is not illegal for bikers to ride on the road and slow traffic down. We are allowed to do it by law! You have to share the road. If you don't like it, Go # S&.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko
As I said above, the situation here isn't entirely clear - but if it is as I read it, where the bike was illegally passing him when he hit him.....it's still the biker's fault.

Ahem, that's not what the OP, who was there is saying:

I didn't know what to do - no witnesses. I phoned the police, a female cop came out and I explained everything to her, admitted total fault - told her that I didn't check to the right of my car , and my music was blaring.

I don't understand what you mean about preserving energy. It's ok for a biker to break the law because they want to maintain a constant speed? I don't think that holds up in court. If you aren't in good enough shape to stop and start, well, maybe you shouldn't be riding a bike?

It is OK at his own risk. Unlike cars, bikers are not likely to kill someone on impact. I am not saying it's not bikers fault if he gets creamed running a red light, but that's not the situation here. I run red lights after checking that there are no cars, sometimes I have to because red lights here are radar triggered and usually require a presence of a car in a lane because bike radar cross section is too narrow. Sometimes putting bike sideways in lane works, and sometimes it doesn't.
Mostly I have to deal with clueless drivers who completely ignore bikers. They make right turns over a bike lane even if there is a biker there, they pull out of driveways into bike lanes even if there is a biker there. Usually that means I take up a full traffic lane even if there is bike lane available just because drivers don't respect bike lanes as real lanes.

First off, we still haven't clarified the OPs situation. Just because he admitted fault, doesn't mean he was correct in doing so. Without a doubt, without POSSIBLE argument from you, if the biker was behind him, went to pass him on the right with no bike lane, and then got hit....the biker is at fault. Bikes are subject to the same rules of the road, you might think it's ok for you to go around slow/stopped cars, it isn't.

The problem with people like you, is that you don't understand both sides of the issue. You want cars to stay out of your way, you call it "sharing the road", but then you don't want to follow the same laws anything on the road is required to follow.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

I don't mind sharing the road with law abiding citizens. In fact if I see a biker coming up to a 4 way stop the same time as me I'll let him/her go first so they don't have to stop. But if bikes are going to break the law then they may have to suffer the consequences if someone doesn't stop or doesn't see them going the wrong way or turning where they aren't supposed to.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

 

[finite automaton]

Please don't stereotype people who ride bikes. Anytime I am on my bike, I stay as far out of the way as possible.

Edit: I also stop at redlights and stopsigns.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

I don't mind sharing the road with law abiding citizens. In fact if I see a biker coming up to a 4 way stop the same time as me I'll let him/her go first so they don't have to stop. But if bikes are going to break the law then they may have to suffer the consequences if someone doesn't stop or doesn't see them going the wrong way or turning where they aren't supposed to.

Jesus H Christ. I already said that if biker runs stop sign or red light, they do it at their own risk, just like pedestrians jaywalking. But when biker chooses to ride like a car in traffic lane, you have to share the road.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

What is illegal? Biker riding slow in traffic lane and expecting to be treated like a car? It's the law that we are allowed to do that. As a courtesy to drivers, we ride on the right of the lane so they can pass us, but we could by law take up the entire traffic lane and ride in it.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

I don't mind sharing the road with law abiding citizens. In fact if I see a biker coming up to a 4 way stop the same time as me I'll let him/her go first so they don't have to stop. But if bikes are going to break the law then they may have to suffer the consequences if someone doesn't stop or doesn't see them going the wrong way or turning where they aren't supposed to.

Jesus H Christ. I already said that if biker runs stop sign or red light, they do it at their own risk, just like pedestrians jaywalking. But when biker chooses to ride like a car in traffic lane, you have to share the road.

fair enough

 

[venkman]

damn bikers, think they own the road. It seems you taught him a lesson of Car > bike so in the future he will look out for 2 ton moving death machines before he crosses the street.

 

[theeedude]

Whenever in doubt, I take up the whole lane like a car, and slow the traffic down. When you are going on the right of the lane is when issues usually pop up with drivers ignoring you and passing too close, pulling into your path. If you are in the middle of the lane, they are forced to treat you like a car and give you your space. It's especially annoying to drivers when I take up full lane in the single lane construction zone near work, but hey, safety first.

 

[Playmaker]

Assuming no bike lane, what is the law for bikers passing on the right when they are on the curb and not in an actual lane? If a biker attempts to pass a car turning right at an intersection that was in front of the biker, and the biker hits said car or the car hits the biker, who's at fault?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

What is illegal? Biker riding slow in traffic lane and expecting to be treated like a car? It's the law that we are allowed to do that. As a courtesy to drivers, we ride on the right of the lane so they can pass us, but we could by law take up the entire traffic lane and ride in it.

What is illegal? Passing cars moving slower than you/stopped. Such as the situation I described above, where a car is slowing down to make a right turn, the bike decides to pass him on the right because heaven forbid he has to slow down, the car turns and hits the bike. That's the biker's fault, you can't just pass people on a whim,

 

[Kelvrick]

I remember driving once in the rain around the housing areas of Davis. Lighting worse then usual because of "light pollution" problems so there aren't many streetlights and some are even turned off. As I was making an unprotected left turn, I notice a biker to my right, hear a thump on my trunk and pull over. Guy didn't have a light on him and apparently rode off and just slapped my trunk to signal to me. Glad I didn't hit him, although I got wet getting out to check on him. Never had my heart rate go up so quickly.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: finite automaton
Please don't stereotype people who ride bikes. Anytime I am on my bike, I stay as far out of the way as possible.

Edit: I also stop at redlights and stopsigns.

I stop at red lights and stop signs as well. Even help cars get out sometimes, if I can, when they are trying to get out of parking lots. I have noticed that 18 wheeler drivers are very nice to me on my bike which surprised me a little. They have let me have the right away before.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

What is illegal? Biker riding slow in traffic lane and expecting to be treated like a car? It's the law that we are allowed to do that. As a courtesy to drivers, we ride on the right of the lane so they can pass us, but we could by law take up the entire traffic lane and ride in it.

Yep just like those big huge cranes do going 20 to 30 mph in a 40 to 50 mph lane. It is the same thing as a bike going that slow. If you want to go faster go around. A bike can take the whole lane if they have to. Like if it is unsafe to the far right.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
What's with all the ATOT hate for bikers? Bikers, minorities, immigrants, liberals. Man!

You name it, they hate it.

ATOT-like asshole drivers is the reason I don't ride anymore.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: sygyzy
What's with all the ATOT hate for bikers? Bikers, minorities, immigrants, liberals. Man!

You name it, they hate it.

ATOT-like asshole drivers is the reason I don't ride anymore.

So what do you do then ? You should never let others force you to stop doing something you enjoy then you lose. I refuse to listen to other people I don't care if everyone hates me. I rather be hated than loved.

 

[SandEagle]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You were making a right and the cyclist was coming from your right?

Dude, that's his fault. He shouldn't have been riding against traffic.

Exactly. He was going the wrong way. Always with the flow of traffic...never against

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You and the biker learned an important lesson today.

Car > Bike

Always.

I keep wanting to get a motorcycle or scooter, but then I always hear about stuff like that...all it takes is someone not paying attention and wham, you're dead. I've had some really close calls on my roadbike; my local bike shop owner say they have about one death in the area per year due to traffic, makes me wonder if I should get a different exercise hobby haha.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

What is illegal? Biker riding slow in traffic lane and expecting to be treated like a car? It's the law that we are allowed to do that. As a courtesy to drivers, we ride on the right of the lane so they can pass us, but we could by law take up the entire traffic lane and ride in it.

What is illegal? Passing cars moving slower than you/stopped. Such as the situation I described above, where a car is slowing down to make a right turn, the bike decides to pass him on the right because heaven forbid he has to slow down, the car turns and hits the bike. That's the biker's fault, you can't just pass people on a whim,

Bikers can pass cars just like cars can pass bikers. The situation you describe usually happens because the car first passes the biker on the left in the turn lane, and then cuts in front of him instead of slowing down and making the turn after the biker has ridden ahead. That is the driver is perfectly aware that there is a bike on his right, but chooses to deliberately cut the biker off by making a right turn into his path. If you cannot make a right turn safely without cutting off the biker, you should slow down yourself, let the biker pass and then make the turn behind him. That is exactly the reason why I take up full lanes of traffic, so cars cannot pass me on the left in turn lanes.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: rrahman1

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You were making a right and the cyclist was coming from your right?

Dude, that's his fault. He shouldn't have been riding against traffic.

Exactly. He was going the wrong way. Always with the flow of traffic...never against

Yeah you never go against traffic and hate when I see anyone on a bike doing it. I wish people who do this would ask themselves the question do motorcycles do this ? No then why should you on a bike ? Makes no sense why people do this. I don't understand it. I prefer to be hit behind on any type of vehicle instead of head on.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: TheNinja
F bikers. They want all the privledges of cars but also of pedestrians when it's convenient. They blow through stops signs and ride against traffic just like if they were walking, yet they also ride on the road and slow down traffic like slow vehicles and expect to be treated like a car. They need to decide one or the other, none of this combo platter hippie BS.

Yes, we can do that, and no we don't have to decide. You have to share the road.

haha, no dude, no you can't. It's illegal. Keep it up and you're going to get yourself killed - AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Deal with it.

What is illegal? Biker riding slow in traffic lane and expecting to be treated like a car? It's the law that we are allowed to do that. As a courtesy to drivers, we ride on the right of the lane so they can pass us, but we could by law take up the entire traffic lane and ride in it.

What is illegal? Passing cars moving slower than you/stopped. Such as the situation I described above, where a car is slowing down to make a right turn, the bike decides to pass him on the right because heaven forbid he has to slow down, the car turns and hits the bike. That's the biker's fault, you can't just pass people on a whim,

Bikers can pass cars just like cars can pass bikers. The situation you describe usually happens because the car first passes the biker on the left in the turn lane, and then cuts in front of him instead of slowing down and making the turn after the biker has ridden ahead. That is the driver is perfectly aware that there is a bike on his right, but chooses to deliberately cut the biker off by making a right turn into his path. If you cannot make a right turn safely without cutting off the biker, you should slow down yourself, let the biker pass and then make the turn behind him. That is exactly the reason why I take up full lanes of traffic, so cars cannot pass me on the left in turn lanes.

The chances of getting hit is like the chance of winning the lotto. It is very slim and I don't care if I am one of lucky few who does get hit. That does not scare me and never will. You risk your life everyday just walking outside because a car could easily jump the curb and hit you when you are not even in the street.

 

[Deeko]

No, if the biker is riding behind the car, and the car needs to turn right, he signals, slows down, and turns - he DOES NOT have to wait for the bike to pass him, in fact it is ILLEGAL for the bike to pass him in the same lane. If a car wants to pass a bike, or if a bike wants to pass a car, BOTH need to use another lane, both cars and bikes are generally in the wrong here.

Don't bother calling me a hypocrite, I live in a city with a ton of bikers, and if I need to pass a bike, I switch to another lane.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Deeko
No, if the biker is riding behind the car, and the car needs to turn right, he signals, slows down, and turns - he DOES NOT have to wait for the bike to pass him, in fact it is ILLEGAL for the bike to pass him in the same lane. If a car wants to pass a bike, or if a bike wants to pass a car, BOTH need to use another lane, both cars and bikes are generally in the wrong here.

Don't bother calling me a hypocrite, I live in a city with a ton of bikers, and if I need to pass a bike, I switch to another lane.

Just like you would have to do for a slow vehicle like crane or farm vehicle! :thumbsup: