today marks two years sober for me

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rudeguy

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god didn't do shit for you dude, you did it for yourself.

Oh really? When I relied on myself, I could never quit drinking. Now I don't even have the urge.

Now I do know some other people who were desperate to quit drinking. They wanted to quit more than anything else in the world. They went through hell, finally hit rock bottom, went though even more hell but could not humble themselves to rely on God. They still continue to drink and live in that hell.

God has done so much more for me than just the drinking. But He needed me to be sober for the rest of it to happen.
 

lxskllr

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Oh really? When I relied on myself, I could never quit drinking. Now I don't even have the urge.

I'm with John. You quit because you were really ready. Sometimes you just think you're ready, but you're not. The combination of wanting to do it, and the understanding support from others in the class is what got you off.
 

StageLeft

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god didn't do shit for you dude, you did it for yourself.
Most non alcoholics can't understand alcoholism; most atheists cannot understand faith.

Good job.

I think overall alcohol is a scourge on society, even in the lives of many who don't realize what it does to their own; our world would be better without it.
 

StageLeft

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I'm with John. You quit because you were really ready. Sometimes you just think you're ready, but you're not. The combination of wanting to do it, and the understanding support from others in the class is what got you off.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Do you think a guy who's been through what he has likely been through is going to be compelled away from his _successful_ approach to this problem? And, if you were able to compel him to your viewpoint, to what end? Perhaps a return to the bottle? he is more qualified to talk on his foundation in this than anybody else I would say.
 

destrekor

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Oh really? When I relied on myself, I could never quit drinking. Now I don't even have the urge.

Now I do know some other people who were desperate to quit drinking. They wanted to quit more than anything else in the world. They went through hell, finally hit rock bottom, went though even more hell but could not humble themselves to rely on God. They still continue to drink and live in that hell.

God has done so much more for me than just the drinking. But He needed me to be sober for the rest of it to happen.

So you would rather admit to some otherworldly force having held your hand, versus accepting that you truly accomplished something on your own, with the unconditional support of others?

I'll never understand the way people attribute good things to God and bad things to humans. We are capable of good, it just takes a little more nurturing in some versus others.

That's my biggest beef with religion: WE are ultimately responsible for everything we do. Stop scapegoating or shifting blame, or placing acknowledgement in the wrong place.

Accept that you and your friends are responsible for what you accomplish. You'll be a stronger person when you place both blame and praise on your own shoulders. YOU beat your addiction, with the help of other humans. Don't take that accomplishment away from yourself. You deserve to humble yourself by accepting that "well shit, that really was me!"
 

lxskllr

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Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Do you think a guy who's been through what he has likely been through is going to be compelled away from his _successful_ approach to this problem? And, if you were able to compel him to your viewpoint, to what end? Perhaps a return to the bottle? he is more qualified to talk on his foundation in this than anybody else I would say.

It's more for the sake of argument, and I think he should give himself more credit. If you're you're gonna thank god for getting you off alcohol, than god was complicit in him being an alcoholic in the first place. What a fuckwad, right? :^D
 

JohnCU

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Most non alcoholics can't understand alcoholism; most atheists cannot understand faith.

Good job.

I think overall alcohol is a scourge on society, even in the lives of many who don't realize what it does to their own; our world would be better without it.

having been a former christian and after going to rehab twice, i understand both quite well, but thanks. :hmm:
 

rudeguy

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I'm with John. You quit because you were really ready. Sometimes you just think you're ready, but you're not. The combination of wanting to do it, and the understanding support from others in the class is what got you off.

Actually, no. When I quit, I had no intention of quitting. I had quit for the couple days so that I could blow clean the first time I met my PO. That was about as long as I had planned to stay sober. Here we are 2 years later.

Now previously I had a lot more inspiration. I had gotten in a really bad DUI crash, been forced to quit my job because I had gotten caught skimming so that I could have drinking money and had almost zero contact with my son. I went through even more intense alcohol treatment and half the time I went to that with a buzz.

Search my posts and you can hear me tell my life story. I posted a youtube link to the first speaker meeting I did.
 

lxskllr

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Actually, no. When I quit, I had no intention of quitting. I had quit for the couple days so that I could blow clean the first time I met my PO. That was about as long as I had planned to stay sober. Here we are 2 years later.

Now previously I had a lot more inspiration. I had gotten in a really bad DUI crash, been forced to quit my job because I had gotten caught skimming so that I could have drinking money and had almost zero contact with my son. I went through even more intense alcohol treatment and half the time I went to that with a buzz.

Search my posts and you can hear me tell my life story. I posted a youtube link to the first speaker meeting I did.

I stand by what I said. You were really ready ;^)
 

rudeguy

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I stand by what I said. You were really ready ;^)

I think you misunderstood. That bad stuff happened with my 2nd DUI, I quit drinking after my 3rd. My 3rd was just me getting pulled over at 7am on a Sunday morning after another crazy Saturday. No wrecks, no getting fired, nothing special.
 

lxskllr

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I think you misunderstood. That bad stuff happened with my 2nd DUI, I quit drinking after my 3rd. My 3rd was just me getting pulled over at 7am on a Sunday morning after another crazy Saturday. No wrecks, no getting fired, nothing special.

I understand completely. "God" works in mysterious ways. I tried quitting smoking a few times over 25 years. I "quit" smoking just because this last time. I wasn't trying to quit, and I didn't necessarily want to quit, but that's how it worked out.

My case is a good bit different than yours because I still smoke the occasional cigarette, but I don't have to, and I still use other forms of nicotine(snus, snuff). Cigarettes were a very good friend of mine, for a very long time, and leaving a friend behind like that wasn't so easy for me.

The point is, you don't always know when you're ready to make a change. The obvious line break isn't always what you think it is. Sometimes the br




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Modular

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Most non alcoholics can't understand alcoholism; most atheists cannot understand faith.

Good job.

I think overall alcohol is a scourge on society, even in the lives of many who don't realize what it does to their own; our world would be better without it.

Which is hilarious because it takes just as much faith to believe in God as it does to deny Him.

Think about it long and hard before you quote this and try to break it apart. The world was flat once. Not only that, but Quantum Physics and the General Theory of Relativity disagree with one another, but that does not mean that they aren't true.

It's all about a paradigm shift. Be open to the things that you cannot see and understand, because we put our trust in just those things every day. Why it is such a leap for some people to believe in something bigger than themselves when there's so much evidence to support the ideas that the things we believe in now are faulty is amazing to me.
 

destrekor

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Which is hilarious because it takes just as much faith to believe in God as it does to deny Him.

Think about it long and hard before you quote this and try to break it apart. The world was flat once. Not only that, but Quantum Physics and the General Theory of Relativity disagree with one another, but that does not mean that they aren't true.

It's all about a paradigm shift. Be open to the things that you cannot see and understand, because we put our trust in just those things every day. Why it is such a leap for some people to believe in something bigger than themselves when there's so much evidence to support the ideas that the things we believe in now are faulty is amazing to me.

I won't dissect this, but I'll both wholly agree and wholly disagree.

For some people, atheism is almost like a religion built upon opposites.
For others, atheism is simply the absolute lack of everything regarding faith, and nothing more. It takes no effort to not believe in leprechauns, and for many, it's the same way for deity(ies).

Moving on...

Some atheists argue everyone needs to be on the same page as them. I'll admit, I use to be the same way.

But we humans are retarded, and it might take awhile for humans to accept something with so much weight as this life we live having absolutely no meaning or purpose. That thought is absolutely terrifying for the majority of people.

I don't agree with faith, but it's a rather human thing, pretty much ingrained in the brain once acknowledge of self occurs.

What I argue is faith based upon specific teachings of such absolutes is rather ridiculous. Not to mention breeds conflict.
Faith in a pure and far more simple deity, or deities, would be a far more beneficial system of belief for our species. And seriously, if some deity found offense to simplifying the way we humans perceive it, I'd be extremely displeased. This deity should realize we would be bettering our species, trying to breed ourselves beyond our innate drive toward tribal conflict.

My main beef, beyond that, is what I had already stated a few posts earlier. We need our species to recognize all that we, and we alone, can accomplish. Even if you believe it to be false, if we praise humans for the good, and punish them for the bad, as if they and they alone did it, and get all humans to recognize self in that regard, we'd be far more prepared as a species to move on.

And after all, the main drive for our species needs to be unification of all the various peoples. Each bring their own culture, and a handful of differing religions. Which group gets to say they are absolutely right above all others? Hmmm? Each religion preaches their own absolute righteousness, and thus followers can go to extreme lengths to impose that upon others, because obviously they must be wrong if we are right. Yes?
If we are all to unite under a single banner, that banner will have to be brand new for everyone involved.

Well, I just convinced myself we're never going to unite. Like, ever. :D
 

child of wonder

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Congrats!

And while you may be too willing to hand over credit, YOU quit drinking. If there is a god that would allow you to start drinking then he would not force you to quit either.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging your hard work and sacrifice (so long as acknowledging it doesn't mean bonging beer until 5am).
 

Zebo

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Congrats bro. I'm at 10 years went from 320lbs to 240 and feel great. I had serious medical issues from motorcross racing and sports I was self medicating since 21 and used every day eventually a half gallon. Key for me was no higher power but getting on the track 4-5 miles a day. After puking my guts out many many times I said it's just not worth it. I still run 6x a week and most pains are gone except one of my broken tibia's bothers me sometime.

I still drink every Friday night but nothing compared to buying Crown by the 1.75l six pack at Costco I did 10 years ago.
 

Zebo

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Most non alcoholics can't understand alcoholism; most atheists cannot understand faith.

Good job.

I think overall alcohol is a scourge on society, even in the lives of many who don't realize what it does to their own; our world would be better without it.

For obvious reasons I don't believe that.:) Everything in moderation. But you can't be an alcoholic and run. You're body won't let you. You will puke on the track, you will puke taking too many drinks it's like taking natural Antabuse + bonus side effects. Every so called alcoholic needs to get HR in zone for an hour a day they won't be alcoholics for long.
 

MJinZ

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Oh really? When I relied on myself, I could never quit drinking. Now I don't even have the urge.

Now I do know some other people who were desperate to quit drinking. They wanted to quit more than anything else in the world. They went through hell, finally hit rock bottom, went though even more hell but could not humble themselves to rely on God. They still continue to drink and live in that hell.

God has done so much more for me than just the drinking. But He needed me to be sober for the rest of it to happen.

God must love me more, since I can drink as much as I want one night and never bother drinking again until the next social event or party with free booze. :hmm: