Today I came to a conclusion...

[Looney]

A believer might point out though that someone built the carrier, and that a human, or an ant, or even a single cell is orders of magnitude greater in complexity than an aircraft carrier. To turn the analogy around, if a scientist found an airplane in a cornfield, would he be more likely to think that someone built it and put it there, or that all the pieces somehow worked themselves together over the past five billion years?

Why couldn't randomness/evolution be the builder? Of course evolution couldn't build an airplane because that's mechanical, but in biology it's built it's equivalence.

 

[kleinesarschloch]

A believer might point out though that someone built the carrier, and that a human, or an ant, or even a single cell is orders of magnitude greater in complexity than an aircraft carrier. To turn the analogy around, if a scientist found an airplane in a cornfield, would he be more likely to think that someone built it and put it there, or that all the pieces somehow worked themselves together over the past five billion years?

if i was that scientist and i also found some less complex devices that were capable of changing themselves and producing other devices. i might be inclined to believe that "all the pieces somehow worked themselves together over the past five billion years". if i only found the airplane sitting in a field by itself, i certainly wouldn't invent a story about a great mechanic in the sky who builds airplanes. i would admit i don't know how it got there, and would try to find some evidence of how it got there.

 

[BD231]

A believer might point out though that someone built the carrier, and that a human, or an ant, or even a single cell is orders of magnitude greater in complexity than an aircraft carrier. To turn the analogy around, if a scientist found an airplane in a cornfield, would he be more likely to think that someone built it and put it there, or that all the pieces somehow worked themselves together over the past five billion years?

I like that one, I'm a believer mostly because of growing up around the christian religion and personal experiences. Earth sucks and so do most the people in it, if earth was all there is to life talk about a major disappointment. If God were really not to exist I'd be pissed off at evolution for creating existance......

 

[Afro000Dude]

Originally posted by: Isla

<---believes in God, but not religious dogma

What's up with no meat on Fridays?? How does not drinking soda, eating candy, etc. make a person a stronger Christian?? Why is a church necessary at all?? I've kinda been asking these things, among others, lately. I believe in a God, but I'm not religious. There's a line between having faith and being religious, and it seems like the religious people are full of crap. I'm not gonna tell you that you are wrong, because you could be right. Maybe we're all dumb for spending time praising something we can't see. I think that's why it's called faith, though. It's your decision to make, and no one can tell you if it is wrong or right.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Afro000Dude

Originally posted by: Isla

<---believes in God, but not religious dogma

What's up with no meat on Fridays?? How does not drinking soda, eating candy, etc. make a person a stronger Christian?? Why is a church necessary at all?? I've kinda been asking these things, among others, lately. I believe in a God, but I'm not religious. There's a line between having faith and being religious, and it seems like the religious people are full of crap. I'm not gonna tell you that you are wrong, because you could be right. Maybe we're all dumb for spending time praising something we can't see. I think that's why it's called faith, though. It's your decision to make, and no one can tell you if it is wrong or right.

Yeah. I have faith too. I have faith that there are things that we don't understand..

I believe that there are definately right and wrong things, but it doesen't have anything to do with religon. It's just the way I am.

 

[djheater]

I feel that if one can seperate religion form the discussion it opens up a number of possibilities that cannot be idly dismissed. Any conversation involving belief in the existence of god is usually only hindered by adding religion to the discussion.

 

that was my understanding as well... but it seemed like roger was saying mary was god's daughter

That comment was religious sarcasm.