Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

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Svnla

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Ten of thousands Londoners want to exit the UK and stay in the EU -

More than 40,000 people signed a petition on the change.org website saying: "Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU".

While Britain voted 52 percent in favour of leaving the EU in Thursday's referendum, 60 percent of Londoners voted for Britain to stay.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-londoners-demand-independence-brexit-160010322.html

The tit for tat is going full speed ahead. Stay tuned.
 

Jaskalas

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Another note of interest.
Soviet leader Putin and terrorist countries over in the middle east are celebrating this vote.

Why?

They listen to the same news media propaganda fear mongering that you do. It is not the end of the world to restore a sovereign democracy.
 

UglyCasanova

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Why the disdain, the citizens of the U.K. Voted that they no longer water to be part of the EU. That's democracy in action, which I presume is a good thing correct?
 

88keys

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You are assuming that economics are the only thing in the world.

A quick glance at Soviet economic history, or the current Russian economy and politics, and what, where, and when the Russian government is concerning itself with, should be all that is needed to understand this.

This. Russia has been up to something for awhile. They have very long term plans and god only knows what they are.
 

mikeymikec

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Amazing how many people can be enslaved to the bankers in Brussels.
It'd be like pledging allegiance to Wall Street over Congress.

Wow, comments like this speak volumes to British people. What this one says is: "London? I've heard of it."

Do you just read stuff and then make up a reason for it to fit with your belief in xyz? London is one of the largest financial centres in the world, and has been that pre-EU. London is a city like most others, and even if its "financial centre" disappeared in a puff of smoke, it would still be a city like most others: Rich areas, poor areas, and pretty much every business type represented.

Every city I checked the stats for voted for remain. If I had to guess the reasons why, I'd say that a) most cities are more multi-cultural than the rest of the UK and b) older people tend to move out of the cities after retiring. Another point that also fits with the evidence is that there weren't great voter turnouts in the cities in general, and the voter turnout was better for the older generations across the UK.

People who are OK with multiculturalism are logically more likely to vote remain. That's about all there is to it.

As for you saying "enslaved to the bankers in Brussels", the only groups that I can think of that might be inclined to think and vote like that are people who actually received money from the EU. How the average working Londoner fits into that statement I have no idea, perhaps it can be found roaming the darkness of your colon? Perhaps you would like to read up on organisations that typically received EU funding?
 
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biostud

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Why the disdain, the citizens of the U.K. Voted that they no longer water to be part of the EU. That's democracy in action, which I presume is a good thing correct?

It is true that it is democracy, and the politicians will follow the outcome.

The question is whether or not people know exactly what they are voting for and what the consequences of their decision will be.

For me the most important about democracy is not the elections, but the informative debate/talk leading up to the elections. If the voters are not informed correctly, how will they know what they are voting for?
 

mikeymikec

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For me the most important about democracy is not the elections, but the informative debate/talk leading up to the elections. If the voters are not informed correctly, how will they know what they are voting for?

This. Many of the key arguments used by the brexit campaign were straight-up bullshit. The EU funding figures were debunked literally everywhere, even some of the main brexit campaigners shied away from that claim in the final week, yet it's still up on their website.

They also claimed that the £350m per week going to the EU (the bullshit stat) would go to the NHS if we vote for brexit, and even one of the bullshitters-in-chief (Nigel Farage) says that was a mistake. AFTER the referendum.

They talked about "taking back our borders" but said absolutely nothing about what immigration rules they would actually advocate, and continually implied that immigrants only come here to milk the NHS and get an education for their kids, despite the fact that a greater percentage of immigrants in the UK are employed than natives. They also used imagery of people evading border control measures like barbed wire (which is odd because that suggests that they actually have a plan to deal with illegal immigrants, ie. the ones who have nothing to do with any EU policy).

They also talked about Turkey imminently being granted EU membership, again straight-up bullshit. They also talked about "what about future EU bailouts" while ignoring the possibility that the UK might need a bailout at some point in the future, yet we've just told our neighbours to fuck off.

They also claimed that over half our laws are made by the EU, again debunked. The generally agreed figure is about 15%, and that's aside from the fact that the UK has a part in making those laws, and did most of the work in writing the EU human rights legislation, and we have a right to veto.

Trump is an extreme example of politicians using bollocks for ammunition, but it's a strategy that has been long in the making. For example, Thatcher regularly responded to questions in parliament by quoting vaguely related stats. It was like a childish game where one kid says "my dad's car is faster than yours!" and the other responds with "well, my dad's car has got a bigger spoiler, and your games console is rubbish!".
 
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agent00f

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If someone who has lot of trouble comparing big to small numbers can get a job in the industry, then I can't imagine it's very hard.

And Trump is already saying that the vote to leave is Obama's fault.

"Trump blames Obama for Brexit
Donald Trump says that UK's vote to leave the European Union "might have been different" if President Obama had not voiced his support for EU unity."

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/06/24/trump-blames-obama-brexit.cnn

Surprised he didn't take credit for the vote.

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There's been a hilarious irony as of late where people who were previously all about the free-market all of a sudden realize capitalism naturally results in stratification, with their rube asses at the bottom just like the leftist economists said all along.

So now they're all about anti-establishment, on the comedic belief that rolling the dice will somehow hurt the rich more than themselves in this system they helped build. They will definitely be those who can use chaos as a ladder, but it certainly won't be the dummies.
 

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Voted out, stayed up all night to watch the results and we got out, the partying yesterday to celebrate was out of this world, almost all of my friends voted out, good times.

The fact that out won, despite the government using gov funds to campaign to stay in and the extremely bias media coverage that the leftist media like the BBC give wasn't enough to sway people, we're sick of the lying and media spin against people who have national pride and want sensible border control.

Don't have any sympathy for the left at all, they continually look down on and trod on normal working class people for so long and could have conceeded some policy to help them but all we heard was "racist" "xenophobic" "hateful" etc and it just kept on going and going.

But we're a democracy and hold those principles dear and if the govt can't sort it out then the people go to vote and the people have spoken, and there's nothign that can be done about that now but maybe this should be a lesson for the future, trying to socially shame and put down people who you don't agree with, instead of entering into honest debate and trying to reach reasonable middle grounds with, it won't work ultimately and it'll just backfire.

If Cameron had dealt with immigration like he promised to do in his prior run as PM then this would not have had a leg to stand on, and here we are. Time for the left to reflect on their own behaviour while we rebuild a better Britain.
 

agent00f

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Yep. The UK is going to become non-existent and England is going to become completely irrelevant in the world. But hey, at least all those pensioners won't have to deal with all those damn immigrants. They'll get their country back right before it dissolves into complete irrelevance.

The only part of England worth much these days is London high finance, and I'm pretty sure they'd vote to exit England to rejoin the EU too given the opportunity.


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Ten of thousands Londoners want to exit the UK and stay in the EU -



https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-londoners-demand-independence-brexit-160010322.html

The tit for tat is going full speed ahead. Stay tuned.

Hahahahahahahhaahha, I wrote the reply just above before reading this.
 
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mikeymikec

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Surprised he didn't take credit for the vote.

I'm a little surprised that Trump said that the UK should vote brexit then proceeded to blame Obama that he didn't do more to encourage the UK not to. I realise that Trump mostly runs on bollocks for fuel, but I would have thought that even for someone like him, that's a new low.
 

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Voted out, stayed up all night to watch the results and we got out, the partying yesterday to celebrate was out of this world, almost all of my friends voted out, good times.

The fact that out won, despite the government using gov funds to campaign to stay in and the extremely bias media coverage that the leftist media like the BBC give wasn't enough to sway people, we're sick of the lying and media spin against people who have national pride and want sensible border control.

Don't have any sympathy for the left at all, they continually look down on and trod on normal working class people for so long and could have conceeded some policy to help them but all we heard was "racist" "xenophobic" "hateful" etc and it just kept on going and going.

But we're a democracy and hold those principles dear and if the govt can't sort it out then the people go to vote and the people have spoken, and there's nothign that can be done about that now but maybe this should be a lesson for the future, trying to socially shame and put down people who you don't agree with, instead of entering into honest debate and trying to reach reasonable middle grounds with, it won't work ultimately and it'll just backfire.

If Cameron had dealt with immigration like he promised to do in his prior run as PM then this would not have had a leg to stand on, and here we are. Time for the left to reflect on their own behaviour while we rebuild a better Britain.

And what is your opinion on Scotland, Northern Ireland, or any other territory of Great Britain declaring independence from Great Britain?
 

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And what is your opinion on Scotland, Northern Ireland, or any other territory of Great Britain declaring independence from Great Britain?

They're more than welcome to go, Scotland may very well do that, but that was something that was always a pretty close deal before any of the issues with the EU, they failed their independence referendum a few years ago, if they want to hold another and leave the UK and re-join the EU then more power to them.

We'll continue to trade and allow certain restricted movement of people just like every other 1st would country on earth, doesn't matter 1 bit.
 

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I find it odd that Wales voted largely in favour of brexit, which is odd give that they are one of the biggest beneficiary's of EU funding in the UK.

Most of the interviews with with the Welsh point to immigration being their chief concern, which is a shame for them as I can't see any reason immigration levels would decrease because of Brexit. In fact if immigration levels in the UK are lower in 5 years time than they are now I will eat my Motorcycle helmet with a knife and fork. Feel free to necro this thread in 1824 days to see that.
 

boomerang

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Voted out, stayed up all night to watch the results and we got out, the partying yesterday to celebrate was out of this world, almost all of my friends voted out, good times.

The fact that out won, despite the government using gov funds to campaign to stay in and the extremely bias media coverage that the leftist media like the BBC give wasn't enough to sway people, we're sick of the lying and media spin against people who have national pride and want sensible border control.

Don't have any sympathy for the left at all, they continually look down on and trod on normal working class people for so long and could have conceeded some policy to help them but all we heard was "racist" "xenophobic" "hateful" etc and it just kept on going and going.

But we're a democracy and hold those principles dear and if the govt can't sort it out then the people go to vote and the people have spoken, and there's nothign that can be done about that now but maybe this should be a lesson for the future, trying to socially shame and put down people who you don't agree with, instead of entering into honest debate and trying to reach reasonable middle grounds with, it won't work ultimately and it'll just backfire.

If Cameron had dealt with immigration like he promised to do in his prior run as PM then this would not have had a leg to stand on, and here we are. Time for the left to reflect on their own behaviour while we rebuild a better Britain.
Best post of this year thus far. So much of what you said applies here in the States too. You are, I'm sure, thankful that the voting process still works and that majority rule is still in force. I have days when I am not certain how much longer we will retain that basic principle of a representative democracy here in the States. Our leaders seem hell-bent on repeating the mistakes that history shows us have detrimental outcomes.

Whether the choices ultimately prove out to be right or to be wrong, the people of a nation must make the choices for that nation through the voting process. History shows us what happens when a small cadre of elites take over that process.

Congrats on transferring the power back to the electorate.
 
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I'm a little surprised that Trump said that the UK should vote brexit then proceeded to blame Obama that he didn't do more to encourage the UK not to. I realise that Trump mostly runs on bollocks for fuel, but I would have thought that even for someone like him, that's a new low.

I'm not sure what the tradition is in the UK but its been a long standing courtesy to not speak poorly about a President or someone running for President or some other important Government person while outside the US. Trump either was unaware or didn't care shows a lack of class.
 

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I find it odd that Wales voted largely in favour of brexit, which is odd give that they are one of the biggest beneficiary's of EU funding in the UK.

But remember that the EU is messing with the free market and that has bad consequences for at least some people. That funding that goes into wales goes to certain people and businesses and props them up, which makes it very hard for rival businesses to compete fairly and you end up with back hand dealings and corruption, as we see out of Brussles where people go to make deals with MEPs.

Some people are happy to just work for an honest living and they can't do that competing against those having money thrown at them, so inevitably a lot of people are going to fight back against that.

Best post of this year thus far. So much of what you said applies here in the States too. You are, I'm sure, thankful that the voting process still works and that majority rule is still in force. I have days when I am not certain how much longer we will retain that basic principle of a representative democracy here in the States. Our leaders seem hell-bent on repeating the mistakes that history shows us have detrimental outcomes.

Whether the choices ultimately prove out to be right or to be wrong, the people of a nation must make the choices for that nation through the voting process. History shows us what happens when a small cadre of elites take over that process.

Congrats on transferring the power back to the electorate.

Thanks, it's a great time to be alive, the smaller but way more vocal minority are of course up in arms about it, you can't go near social media as someone who supports the leave vote because it's so far left and invaded with people who are livid at the results.

I'm actually a supporter of Trump I think he mirrors very closely the fight back we've started in the UK, he kinda mirrors in some ways UKIP here who are the driving force behind getting a referendum. He stood besides us an said that ignore what Obama says about re-negotiations, if he's president he'll put Britain to the front of the queue.

I also mirror your fears, the youth today do not know what it's like to have to fight for democracy, they take it for granted because they've never had to sacrifice to get it, they're incredibly entitled. I've just helped write/edit a petition that is going up to the UK gov site to oppose the existing petition asking for a 2nd referendum on EU. One of the core things to point out is that this country was founded on democracy and it's a core value to the British people, and that people worked, fought and died to protect it, that shouldn't be forgotten.

The long er stay away from strife the more people become entitled and start to not value these principles, it's no surprise to me it was the youth who most strongly wanted to remain, extremely naive people who don't understand how the real world works.

Thankfully their weakness is that very entitlement, they're lazy and unprincipled and aren't going to get off their ass to vote which was their downfall.
 

Blackjack200

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if the govt can't sort it out then the people go to vote and the people have spoken, and there's nothign that can be done about that now but maybe this should be a lesson for the future, trying to socially shame and put down people who you don't agree with, instead of entering into honest debate and trying to reach reasonable middle grounds with, it won't work ultimately and it'll just backfire.

/Shoots self in the dick

"Let that be a lesson to ya!"

I'm actually a supporter of Trump

Lol, say no more.
 

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I'm actually a supporter of Trump I think he mirrors very closely the fight back we've started in the UK, he kinda mirrors in some ways UKIP here who are the driving force behind getting a referendum. He stood besides us an said that ignore what Obama says about re-negotiations, if he's president he'll put Britain to the front of the queue.

Obama has already backed away from his position, it was stupid of him to weigh in on your country's internal politics, the U.K. Has been our single best ally for some time, they deserve our thanks and respect.

As far as the youth vote, their brains aren't even mature until 21-22, so I look at what they say and pretty mush dismiss it. Their opinions will likely change as they age and start to earn a living and pay taxes.
 

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Lol, say no more.


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Obama has already backed away from his position, it was stupid of him to weigh in on your country's internal politics, the U.K. Has been our single best ally for some time, they deserve our thanks and respect.

As far as the youth vote, their brains aren't even mature until 21-22, so I look at what they say and pretty mush dismiss it. Their opinions will likely change as they age and start to earn a living and pay taxes.

I'd read something about Obama taking it back but hadn't seen a direct quote, not that it matters because he'll be out of office before we leave the EU.

Quite a few of my friends who voted out, the older people, were more left leaning when they were younger, but you're right the moment you have to support yourself and pay taxes things come into focus a bit more. A lot of these kids are still living with their parents and are coddled where as many of their parents or gradeparents would have had a job by then, some of them a house and many starting families, completely different generation.
 

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A) Incredible ugly comments by UK racists on some UK news websites. I feel like I am at a Trump rally. I could've sworn the Brits OVERALL were nice people, but the hate and racism flowing there is...mind.boggling. To me it seems that many "outers" are truly NASTY people.

B) Old farts who have 15-20 years left to live literally stole their children's future. Polls/statistics clearly show how the younger are vastly against Brexit, and that it's old people who voted out.

C) Racism and hate now in the UK seems to thrive and it seems to me that noone of those guys EVEN CARES when their own country collapses, they actually *wish* to kick Scotland out, that them and Wales leave. Those primitive people don't give a shit about anything AS LONG as their Xenophobia is satisfied.

They are even willing and actually say it "we are willing to accept personal, financial hardships", aka it's ok when the Brexit costs them money and makes life actual WORSE....as long (again) as it satisfies their Xenophobia.

It defies any, actual logic.

It is true that this was democracy at work because people voted, but it also shows where democracy FAILED Big time. None of those nasty old, uneducated f***s should be allowed to vote.