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Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

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maybe educate the people instead playing the racist and overused Nazi card things could have turned out different.
 
The problem is that "educating people", here like there (US) is MUCH more involved than simply riling them up with emotions and "patriotism" blahblah.

There is the type of voter who votes MERELY because some idiot candidate waves a flag and spouts "Make XYZ GREAT AGAIN".

This is how you work with (and manipulate) the common folks with small minds.

EDUCATING them requires much, much more. And not all of them can't or want to be educated.
Emotions (fear, anger, pride) etc. are extremely strong. This is why politicians love to use them. You can catch a vote with incredible simple and primitive tricks, and politicians KNOW that. It's the simplest and fastest way to get a vote, and it entirely circumvents the need to think.
 
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Hugo Drax said:
If that is the case how do you explain the 52 vs 48

remain people to lazy to get in line and vote?
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Less motivated maybe, especially believing that Remain win was a formality (and with the turnout figures pretty much show that there was less mobilization in remain areas).

But that wasn't what I meant.
There are millions of immigrants living and working in the UK, that will keep to do so that had no voice.

I'm sure the Leave votes will have many explanations - some never believed in the EU project, some think it has grown too big, some think it needs reform and that only something like Brexit will trigger it, some believe immigration is the root to the problems they have and with a reduced immigration their problems will be solved, others were just showing two fingers to the establishment. Some voted Leave due to a combination of the mentioned factors.

Considering the divide by age groups and class groups, I doubt that most of the Leave voters are against EU on principle and will be happy just by being out of the EU if it doesn't translate in better personal economic outcomes.

Because while they see the Poles and eastern Europeans "taking their jobs" many of "their jobs" are being done in Asia and other less developed economies.

It is easy to label the Leave voters as less educated but the fact is that they are right that they are being screwed.
But it is not immigration, it is not the EU.

Obviously the problem is Globalization (which has no stopping and can be very positive) and the Financial system (that needs to be reformed and stop being something that allows the rich to get richer, companies/banks to accumulated more and more while constantly devaluing work and preventing people that work, to actually be able to save and to get something out of saving and investing).
 
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Slew Foot said:
meh, itll go back up
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i.e. the 401K plans

Ha. Ha Ha. HAHAHA 😀 😀 😀
Yeah...
Voters assume... "ASSUME" level heads will prevail.
They believe other "Obama's" can just step up, will come along and "fix" everything.
They "assume" poor decisions by moronic presidents do not have consequences.
Yeah... People "assume" a hell of a lot.

This European thing has direct connection to Donald Trump.
Remember, Senior Bush the candidate up for re-election against Bill Clinton, Senior Bush lost for one reason because he was "detached" from the American people.
Daddy Bush could not answer a simple question during his re-election bid when asked "how much does a loaf of bread cost?"
He didn't know.
And daddy Bush lost the support of the people because he was so detached from every day reality.

Now... you have a potential president Donald Trump.
And if you think president daddy Bush was detached, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Does anyone really believe a president Trump could relate or imagine, and more so "even care" if his poor economic decisions trash American 401k plans?
Or, trash the entire American economy?

Can a guy that cares so intently about his luxury golf courses, luxury that 99.9999999% of his supporters will NEVER experience, can a president Donald Trump have a clue on how working people feel or how they suffer?
Realize how poor decisions might affect the average Joe?
That same average Joe that Donald fooled into voting for him?

I really do hope Donald Trump is elected president.
I really do!
Because in a weird sadistic way, I think it is time once again the American people realize the difference between electing an attached president like president Obama from electing a detached president as Donald Trump.
And, if the American electorate are smart enough, which I highly doubt, to even realize the difference.
Realize what they do in the voting booth has real life consequences for them.

That would be a hard lesson for Americans, but they need to learn that once again.
Or should I say, "RE-LEARN".

Just imagine our president Donald Trump.
When the going gets tough, Donald jets off to one of his luxury golf courses while America burns.
Forget about that old slogan THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
Under a president Trump that slogan would be replaced by SHIT HAPPENS.

Go ahead. Vote Trump. Make my day. 🙂
 
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K1052 said:
People who voted for Brexit are going to shit themselves when this precipitates the final breakup of the UK. Scotland is now decidedly headed for the door and Northern Ireland is rumbling about unification.
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Yep. The UK is going to become non-existent and England is going to become completely irrelevant in the world. But hey, at least all those pensioners won't have to deal with all those damn immigrants. They'll get their country back right before it dissolves into complete irrelevance.
 
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The ONLY winner is this whole fiasco is Putin. He's long wished for the EU to fall apart so he can deal with with each European country one on one and dominant them. Trump, as usual, gives the matter only superficial analysis at best. If that joker ever gets elected President he's going to get eaten alive on the international stage. Instead of "making America great again" he's going to demolish our international standing and power.

The problem in GB, as here in the US with the tea baggers, is that the anger is being misdirected. The middle class is being hollowed out-essentially worldwide in most developed countries to one extent or another-because of two primary reasons: (1) globalization and the rise of former third world countries, like China, Vietnam, etc. Good jobs go over there, the good jobs are no longer here and it's hard to compete with labor costs that are a fraction of what your income is/was.

Secondly is the near total dominance of the international corporations. Nearly every government falls over themselves to bribe companies to build here. This is the real villain and is leading to increased concentration of wealth and power.

But so long as the power manipulators can persuade the masses that the real problem is that other racial/religious group, we will continue to be played as suckers to our detriment.

If Great Britain actually does pull out of the EU (much easier said than done, lots of treaties need to be renegotiated or broken) I predict: (1) Scotland for sure, and most likely Northern Ireland and Wales will leave Great Britain, and Great Britain will be no more, just being England, (2) London's place as one of the world dominant financial centers (which is the last major driving economic force in GB) will decline rather rapidly and (3) the EU will probably fracture apart, with many other members demanding special treatment.
 
CaptainGoodnight said:
So what you would do to address the concerns of the 52%?
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"You should really get yourself to the hospital because you just shot yourself in the dick, and even if they can't make it like it was before you shot yourself in the dick, smart, professionally trained people can at least minimize the damage of this stupid thing you did to yourself"

is a pretty good metaphor for the advice I'd give to Britain if it were a sentient being.

Hugo Drax said:
Wow 52% of people in the UK are nazi xenophobes. This according to what the 48% claim the other side represent.

I wonder of the whole Nazi meme and throwing out accusations of racism did not exactly help sell the remain in the EU program.

You dont close a sale if you insult your customer.
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It is no-one's job to "sell" anything to a bunch of petulant children. I'm sorry you feel so insulted. Are these microagressions more than your fragile ego can handle?

Hugo Drax said:
If that is the case how do you explain the 52 vs 48

remain people to lazy to get in line and vote?
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I don't know... 'old angry racists outnumber young people that actually care about their futures' is probably how I'd explain it.
 
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Another note of interest.
Soviet leader Putin and terrorist countries over in the middle east are celebrating this vote.

Why?

For the very same reason Bin Ladin sent terrorist to fly planes into the world trade center.
NOT to kill 3000+ Americans, oh no that was not his objective.
The planes were sent to attack buildings on American soil to hit America where it hurts.
In the Economy.

If Putin is celebrating this vote across the ocean, and if terrorist nations within the middle east are celebrating this vote, THAT is a true dire prediction of what is to come for freedom and democracy.

If those that hate America are celebrating, then what do they know that we don't?
And how does this tie in with our presidential election?
Could they believe, predict, rely on a president Donald Trump doing what terrorist flying airplanes could never do?
Sleep well. 😉
 
sportage said:
Another note of interest.
Soviet leader Putin and terrorist countries over in the middle east are celebrating this vote.

Why?

For the very same reason Bin Ladin sent terrorist to fly planes into the world trade center.
NOT to kill 3000+ Americans, oh no that was not his objective.
The planes were sent to attack buildings on American soil to hit America where it hurts.
In the Economy.

If Putin is celebrating this vote across the ocean, and if terrorist nations within the middle east are celebrating this vote, THAT is a true dire prediction of what is to come for freedom and democracy.

If those that hate America are celebrating, then what do they know that we don't?
And how does this tie in with our presidential election?
Could they believe, predict, rely on a president Donald Trump doing what terrorist flying airplanes could never do?
Sleep well. 😉
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Bullshit, Brexit is not good for Russia at all. A global economic slowdown or European recession means depressed demand means lower prices for Russian oil and gas.

Putin is making these comments about Brexit and Trump to troll his rivals in Western Governments.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Bullshit, Brexit is not good for Russia at all. A global economic slowdown or European recession means depressed demand means lower prices for Russian oil and gas.

Putin is making these comments about Brexit and Trump to troll his rivals in Western Governments.
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You are assuming that economics are the only thing in the world.

A quick glance at Soviet economic history, or the current Russian economy and politics, and what, where, and when the Russian government is concerning itself with, should be all that is needed to understand this.
 
norseamd said:
You are assuming that economics are the only thing in the world.

A quick glance at Soviet economic history, or the current Russian economy and politics, and what, where, and when the Russian government is concerning itself with, should be all that is needed to understand this.
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I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Russia is far more economically integrated with the rest of the world than the USSR was, and aside from beating up on old Soviet satellite states, or propping up the odd dictator, their military is irrelevant.
 
Blackjack200 said:
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Russia is far more economically integrated with the rest of the world than the USSR was, and aside from beating up on old Soviet satellite states, or propping up the odd dictator, their military is irrelevant.
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Much of what happens in the world can be economically detrimental and politically beneficial.
 
Blackjack200 said:
"You should really get yourself to the hospital because you just shot yourself in the dick, and even if they can't make it like it was before you shot yourself in the dick, smart, professionally trained people can at least minimize the damage of this stupid thing you did to yourself"

is a pretty good metaphor for the advice I'd give to Britain if it were a sentient being.



It is no-one's job to "sell" anything to a bunch of petulant children. I'm sorry you feel so insulted. Are these microagressions more than your fragile ego can handle?



I don't know... 'old angry racists outnumber young people that actually care about their futures' is probably how I'd explain it.
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This kind of statement conveys layers of meaning. The first layer is the literal meaning of the words: I lack the knowledge to figure this out. But the second, intended meaning is the opposite: I am so vastly superior that I cannot even imagine the cognitive errors or moral turpitude that could lead someone to such obviously wrong conclusions. And yet the takeaway when I hear someone say this is a third meaning: I lack the empathy, moral imagination or analytical skills to attempt even a basic understanding of the people who disagree with me. In short, this argument says: "I'm stupid."
 
As spoken from a Brit.

Thank you, America!
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
My three reasons for departure, in strict order of precedence, were Democracy, Democracy, and Democracy. For the so-called “European Parliament” is no Parliament. It is a mere duma. It lacks even the power to bring forward a bill, and the 28 faceless, unelected, omnipotent Kommissars – the official German name for the shadowy Commissioners who exercise the supreme lawmaking power that was once vested in our elected Parliament – have the power, under the Treaty of Maastricht, to meet behind closed doors to override in secret any decision of that “Parliament” at will, and even to issue “Commission Regulations” that bypass it altogether.

Worse, the treaty that established the European Stability Pact gives its governing body of absolute bankers the power, at will and without consultation, to demand any sum of money, however large, from any member state, and every member of that governing body, personally as well as collectively, is held entirely immune not only from any civil suit but also from any criminal prosecution.

That is dictatorship in the formal sense. Good riddance to it.
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DigDog said:
Nah, it's not.

First, Brexit is a political platform. Like every other political platform, it actually has zero to do with the issue, which is just scaremongering - "we must DO THING, otherwise BAD THING happens". The Scottish independence campaign was the same thing.

Being in the EU has some practical and some non practical downsides, which those on the platform lament: practical, there's immigration, and we pay more for EU projects; non-practical, we might have a ban on prawn flavoured chips, because every government throws out some retarded law every now and then - they all do.

Immigration is done now; we already don't have jobs, more immigration now means just that the immigrants have a harder time getting *their* jobs. British jobs (those jobs that are gained through nepotism and connections) are not at risk; it's just the immigrant jobs which are at risk now, meaning if you work at Tesco, you will get even less money.

Leaving the EU creates potential for chaos, which is exactly what certain people want. There WILL be massive costs increases, just like there were when the Euro rolled out in 2000, not because of any influencing factor, but because any situation which creates change and confusion is a good chance for speculators - raise prices when everyone else does; and they do it when complex events occur.

i.e. if there was a meteor strike - prices would raise. "Q: why is this sandwich so expensive now? A: the meteor strike." ah ok.
obviously the meteor strike has nothing to do with the change in prices, it's just an excuse. but since every speculator does it, it's impossible to fight the price bump. It's also confusing to see everyone bump prices, and the move looks legit for a while.

During the last leg of the Yes campaign, about half the business leaders in the UK made it VERY CLEAR that if Yes was to pass, prices would go up. BECAUSE.

Britain is also .. honestly, not that great of a nation. They have huge overheads because of these "new" touchy-feely laws, they spend a ton of money on things no reasonable government would, and they no longer have an empire, which is what made britain great in the first place.
As a producer, it cannot compare to Germany, or even Poland. Or, to be correct .. they are on the way down. Their monetary worth is devaluing.

The pound losing a large portion of its worth was obvious from the first day; keeping the pound instead of adopting the euro is irrelevant - from a purely mathematical pov, they are two mintings of the same coin; both are freely exchangable with the other, and the pound no longer has a portion of its worth based on the political stability of the UK, as other EU countries are just as, if not more, stable.
Once a country melds itself to another, so much as we have done, coinage is irrelevant - the two systems will homogenize, if nothing, simply for the fact that as long as one money has more value, it will tend to move towards where it is worth more.

And really, the cold war is over; foreign investors are no longer worried that, idk, the president of Lithuania might want everyone to wear their underwear outside, thus making their money crash. Or force them to learn Swedish, to the same effect.
witty Bananas reference http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066808/reference

I doubt that Britain would have remained a major economical power even if they stayed out of the EU. But anyway, right now they are undeniably no more powerful, and important, than most EU countries; Poland for example, their GDP keeps increasing. Their economy is going up, they are politically stable. Investors believe there's money to be made (it's true) and therefore place more importance on investments located there rather than in the UK.


one last thing..

immigration, border control .. these things are simply impossible in the UK. You really need to live here to understand how
mentally fucked
these people are, it's easily comparable to the URRS. The "humanistic" laws they have here prevent them from doing anything which could possibly harm a fly, yet they somehow want to magically go back to a time where the value of the pound was backed by colonialist trade regimes, exploitation, masses of workers without protection, minimal spending, the draft, and a huge imposing (and badly paid) army in a time of war.

It's not going to happen. They can't kick out of the country people who have arrived illegally and have been caught repeatedly scam the system (also illegal) because "it would hurt their feelings", they surely cannot go back to rum, sodomy and the lash.

if anything, they should stfu and let Angela Merkel tell them what to do, she seems to have far more sense than we do.




do i get any bonus for this post?
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Charles Laughton: !!! "Mister Christian" !!!
 
CaptainGoodnight said:
This kind of statement conveys layers of meaning. The first layer is the literal meaning of the words: I lack the knowledge to figure this out. But the second, intended meaning is the opposite: I am so vastly superior that I cannot even imagine the cognitive errors or moral turpitude that could lead someone to such obviously wrong conclusions. And yet the takeaway when I hear someone say this is a third meaning: I lack the empathy, moral imagination or analytical skills to attempt even a basic understanding of the people who disagree with me. In short, this argument says: "I'm stupid."
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Sorry, my empathy lies with the 3 million EU citizens living in the U.K., and the 1.2 million Brits living in the EU, and all of the people who will lose their jobs over this idiocy, not a bunch of old racists.
 
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