Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

[StinkyPinky]

France might be next which will be a bigger blow to EU.

Bigger blow? It will be a fatal blow. The UK has always been a bit skeptic of the EU, they never even adopted the Euro. France and Germany are BFF's when it comes to the EU and if France bails it's game over. It's already reeling on the ropes with the UK exit.

 

[agent00f]

Personally I've always been for kicking the backwards areas out of the United States of America.

 

[norseamd]

You have your head in the sand, or stuck somewhere else.

You go on about markets, markets, markets... your disconnect from actual workaday people seems all-consuming.

Speaking of English and Minnesotans, whats that location next to your name?

 

[norseamd]

Over the long run a fractured europe makes the US more competitive, which is why the EU was created in the first place.

Not necessarily. America and Great Britain obviously have strong relations, and Britain being in the EU was a way for America to get somewhat of a voice in the EU. With that gone, America, and ANglos in general, will be less influential in Europe.

 

[Painman]

Ah ya, it has nothing to do with Low birthrates requiring Immigrants to offset them. It also has nothing to do with a neighbouring Nation becoming untenable for millions of people due to the destabilization of the Middle East, which ironically Britain enthusiastically supported and took part in. Nah, it's just some EU Ideologues doing nefarious shit for some unknown reason!

I dunno, last time I checked, Canada had lots of room, and lots of oil sand to dig up in Alberta...

 

[norseamd]

There are so many problems that EU countries are unable to make it work simple because everyone only cares about their own interests.

Either we become a United States of Europe, with a single government without boarders, or everyone takes its own course. The system is not working as it is now.

The idea that European countries that have existed as their own independent nations for thousands of years were just going to unite as one country at the drop of a hat was always a delusional hallucination that even Jar Jar Binks might have raised an eyebrow at.

 

[norseamd]

Ah ya, it has nothing to do with Low birthrates requiring Immigrants to offset them. It also has nothing to do with a neighbouring Nation becoming untenable for millions of people due to the destabilization of the Middle East, which ironically Britain enthusiastically supported and took part in. Nah, it's just some EU Ideologues doing nefarious shit for some unknown reason!

Hey, stop being asshole and cut him some slack now! Obviously not his fault he doesnt know logic from the broad side of a barn.

 

[sandorski]

I dunno, last time I checked, Canada had lots of room, and lots of oil sand to dig up in Alberta...

...and we take in a lot of Immigrants and Refuges. Including Syrians.

 

[AtenRa]

The idea that European countries that have existed as their own independent nations for thousands of years were just going to unite as one country at the drop of a hat was always a delusional hallucination that even Jar Jar Binks might have raised an eyebrow at.

I dont believe anyone was expecting this to happen quickly, but with all the problems the last 4-5 years, and the incompetence to solve them, it is apparent we need something to change.

When you see the UK, one of the founders for the European Union idea back to Churchill, not willing to be a part of this mess, i believe we should all EU members (including the UK) have a look again at this and make a new start.

 

[Painman]

...and we take in a lot of Immigrants and Refuges. Including Syrians.

And that's great. US and Canada have a history of being horizontally integrated, culturally speaking. Europe and the UK do not. They're vertical.

Shock therapy isn't working.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Ah ya, it has nothing to do with Low birthrates requiring Immigrants to offset them. It also has nothing to do with a neighbouring Nation becoming untenable for millions of people due to the destabilization of the Middle East, which ironically Britain enthusiastically supported and took part in. Nah, it's just some EU Ideologues doing nefarious shit for some unknown reason!

It's one thing to allow immigration in a controlled manner to maintain your populace but it is wholly a different thing to open the flood gates because you want to see European culture and society be wiped out and replaced out of a PC cultural Marxist glut trip that dwells in the past and that approaches committing cultural and sovereign suicide.

The former is the sane option that allows immigration in a controlled manner so that people can assimilate into a society without friction and which promotes the general welfare of your citizens and nation. While the latter is what the British people voted to avoid because it was turning into a nightmare for them and it was being rammed down their throats by self-interested autocrats who could care less about them.

 

[Gryz]

Let me explain to you what will happen next.

Cameron will resign. (Already happened).
An interim-government will take over.
The interim-government will arrage new elections. These will take at least a year.
The interim-government will start work on actually leaving the EU.
The interim-government will say: "we take the voters in the referendum so seriously, we will already start implementing new laws for them". There will be slightly more border patrol in Dover and Calais. Maybe a few illegal immigrants will be deported (with lots of press attending, but low numbers of immigrants). A few new arrangements with the EU will be made. The UK will pay a little less money to the EU. Etc.

A new government will be in place in 18-24 months.
The new government will say: "the majority of Brits have voted for us. we believe a brexit is against the interest of the british people. we believe the majority of brits have changed their view on the issue. we believe the new laws have satisfied their wishes. we think a brexit is not necessary anymore. the referendum had only an advisery role, and was not binding".
The UK stays in the EU.


You might think voting matters.
When it's about the EU, the people's vote and the people's opinion does not matter any more.
We are beyond that.
There are better people than us who will decide about our fates.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Let me explain to you what will happen next.

Cameron will resign. (Already happened).
An interim-government will take over.
The interim-government will arrage new elections. These will take at least a year.
The interim-government will start work on actually leaving the EU.
The interim-government will say: "we take the voters in the referendum so seriously, we will already start implementing new laws for them". There will be slightly more border patrol in Dover and Calais. Maybe a few illegal immigrants will be deported (with lots of press attending, but low numbers of immigrants). A few new arrangements with the EU will be made. The UK will pay a little less money to the EU. Etc.

A new government will be in place in 18-24 months.
The new government will say: "the majority of Brits have voted for us. we believe a brexit is against the interest of the british people. we believe the majority of brits have changed their view on the issue. we believe the new laws have satisfied their wishes. we think a brexit is not necessary anymore. the referendum had only an advisery role, and was not binding".
The UK stays in the EU.


You might think voting matters.
When it's about the EU, the people's vote and the people's opinion does not matter any more.
We are beyond that.
There are better people than us who will decide about our fates.

That right there speaks volumes about the nature of the remain movement and their views on actual representative government elected by the people, for the people and national self-determination.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You couldnt be more ignorant.

The markets arent dropping out of sheer ignorance.

the markets are dropping because the status quo was disrupted and now they have to figure out what is going to happen next. However if you think this is going to be the trend for the long term or that everyone is "DOOMED!!" than you should be selling everything off and preparing for the end. Why are you wasting time? Sell EVERYTHING NOW.


LOL

 

[Triloby]

Maybe it's just me, but I can see a fair amount of unintended consequences happening because of the "LEAVE" vote.

• Certain businesses, banking, and financial centers located in the U.K. closing up shop and moving their business elsewhere because of this vote.
  
• The Conservative Party failing to keep whatever promises they've made with their "LEAVE" reasons, because they have no real way of making sure that they can accomplish even half of what they said.
  
• Scotland wanting Independence now from England and Wales, so that they can join the EU (although I'm not so sure if that's even a good idea at this point).
  
• The short-term economic downturn that could lead into long-term stagnation and very slow economic rebuilding. Tariffs and higher taxes also probable due to possible increases in the cost of living.
  
• Probably a few other things I haven't taken into consideration.

On one hand, I can somewhat understand the mentality of being independent from the EU, and not having to abide by laws and regulations that certain parts of Britain doesn't like. Illegal immigration concerns also included.

On the other hand, all of this seems like a really petty way of cutting off your nose to spite the face. There's no real guarantee that leaving the EU will curb illegal immigration for good, nor is there any real guarantee that Britain's economy will recover and become even stronger than before because of this vote.

Too many uncertainties at this point, and we haven't even hit rock bottom yet.

 

[norseamd]

And that's great. US and Canada have a history of being horizontally integrated, culturally speaking. Europe and the UK do not. They're vertical.

Shock therapy isn't working.

Not horizontally integrated?

So Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Ireland, Orkneys, Shetlands, Hebrides, Channel Islands, British Caribbean, British Cyprus, and Gibraltar are nonexistential then?

 

[norseamd]

Maybe it's just me, but I can see a fair amount of unintended consequences happening because of the "LEAVE" vote.

• Certain businesses, banking, and financial centers located in the U.K. closing up shop and moving their business elsewhere because of this vote.
• The Conservative Party failing to keep whatever promises they've made with their "LEAVE" reasons, because they have no real way of making sure that they can accomplish even half of what they said.
• Scotland wanting Independence now from England and Wales, so that they can join the EU (although I'm not so sure if that's even a good idea at this point).
• The short-term economic downturn that could lead into long-term stagnation and very slow economic rebuilding. Tariffs and higher taxes also probable due to possible increases in the cost of living.
• Probably a few other things I haven't taken into consideration.

On one hand, I can somewhat understand the mentality of being independent from the EU, and not having to abide by laws and regulations that certain parts of Britain doesn't like. Illegal immigration concerns also included.

On the other hand, all of this seems like a really petty way of cutting off your nose to spite the face. There's no real guarantee that leaving the EU will curb illegal immigration for good, nor is there any real guarantee that Britain's economy will recover and become even stronger than before because of this vote.

Too many uncertainties at this point, and we haven't even hit rock bottom yet.

Yep. And no shit.

 

[norseamd]

 

[JimmiG]

I dont believe anyone was expecting this to happen quickly, but with all the problems the last 4-5 years, and the incompetence to solve them, it is apparent we need something to change.

When you see the UK, one of the founders for the European Union idea back to Churchill, not willing to be a part of this mess, i believe we should all EU members (including the UK) have a look again at this and make a new start.

A new start was inevitable anyway. Even if they had voted stay, the refugee fiasco, threats of grexit and brexit etc. would have been enough to make this a necessity. It's obvious the EU has to stop moving towards a federal state. If the EU consisted of mutual agreements to make life easier for all the member states, it wouldn't have to be "strong", it'd just have to function properly.

The biggest difference now is that Britain won't have much of a say in how the EU should be reformed. Ironically, they might also have to pay large fees for new trade agreements with the rest of Europe, that they are so totally dependent on. This time they can't threaten with Brexit in order to bargain for rebates and exceptions.

There's also the threat of the entire UK splitting apart. Are Scotland and Northern Ireland going to let themselves get pulled out of the EU? Add to that the British pound in free-fall, and it's a total mess. That promised extra funding of the NHS will probably take at least another 5, perhaps 10 years to materialize under these circumstances. Count yourselves lucky if you can avoid hyper inflation and mass unemployment...

 

[Victorian Gray]

He was born in America to.

I did not know that. Somehow seems appropriate though.

 

[Painman]

Not horizontally integrated?

So Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Ireland, Orkneys, Shetlands, Hebrides, Channel Islands, British Caribbean, British Cyprus, and Gibraltar are nonexistential then?

You forgot Barbados.

 

[norseamd]

You forgot Barbados.

What does this say?

Not horizontally integrated?

So Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Ireland, Orkneys, Shetlands, Hebrides, Channel Islands, British Caribbean, British Cyprus, and Gibraltar are nonexistential then?

 

[Painman]

What does this say?

They're all free to leave the UK.

 

[norseamd]

They're all free to leave the UK.

No you moron, Barbados is a part of the British Caribbean.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This Borris Johnson former Mayor guy looks like Trump