To Toss, or Not To Toss, Those Medals?

[CADsortaGUY]

Question about the issue here.

Where was kerry staying the night before they threw their medals? We know he didn't camp out on mall like the rest of them - right? My question is where he spent the night. Anyone have any idea?

Oh, and this issue just keeps getting better and better Even ABS is after kerry on this because he seems to have pulled a fast one on Jennings


CkG

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
GIBSON: let me ask you, too, about two other things that you have said. subsequent to that. 1985, you said to ""the washington post,"" it is such a personal thing i did no want to throw my medals away. then 1996, you said to the ""boston globe,"" i didn't bring my own medals to throw because i didn't have time to go home and get them. which one was it?


Which is it? Both, of course. I "did not want to throw my medals away because it is such a perspnal thing," and, besides, I would have to drive home to get them and there wasn't time, but if there was time to drive home, I would have, but I would not have thrown my medals away...I would have fixed a sandwich. So you see, I can have my sandwich and eat it, too."

Who cares? It's not an issue. It's just smear tactics.

Whatever. Kerry blatantly lies. Even over trivial stuff. Yes all politicians lie, including Bush, but Kerry's mouth is his undoing.

And quit saying smear tactics, or how the republicans are attacking Kerry. The DNC is just as guilty of attacking Bush as the republicans are at attacking Kerry.

so you'll quibble over medals a man earned, and ignore the fact that during this time bush used his fathers power to avoid war and have another man drafted in his stead?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
GIBSON: let me ask you, too, about two other things that you have said. subsequent to that. 1985, you said to ""the washington post,"" it is such a personal thing i did no want to throw my medals away. then 1996, you said to the ""boston globe,"" i didn't bring my own medals to throw because i didn't have time to go home and get them. which one was it?


Which is it? Both, of course. I "did not want to throw my medals away because it is such a perspnal thing," and, besides, I would have to drive home to get them and there wasn't time, but if there was time to drive home, I would have, but I would not have thrown my medals away...I would have fixed a sandwich. So you see, I can have my sandwich and eat it, too."

Who cares? It's not an issue. It's just smear tactics.

Whatever. Kerry blatantly lies. Even over trivial stuff. Yes all politicians lie, including Bush, but Kerry's mouth is his undoing.

And quit saying smear tactics, or how the republicans are attacking Kerry. The DNC is just as guilty of attacking Bush as the republicans are at attacking Kerry.

so you'll quibble over medals a man earned, and ignore the fact that during this time bush used his fathers power to avoid war and have another man drafted in his stead?

The issue really isn't the earning of medals in this case. It's about him lying/obfuscating/nuancing his statements about it over the years. He has NOT been consistant with them unless you really believe that "medals" and "Ribbons" were being used interchangably - which is laughable considering he has differentiated between them in the past.

Meh - I think kerry is going to lose this issue if he doesn't get a handle on it quick like. His attempt at damage control failed miserably this morning.

I still would like to know where exactly kerry slept the night before they threw their "symbols" over the fence.

CkG

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
GIBSON: let me ask you, too, about two other things that you have said. subsequent to that. 1985, you said to ""the washington post,"" it is such a personal thing i did no want to throw my medals away. then 1996, you said to the ""boston globe,"" i didn't bring my own medals to throw because i didn't have time to go home and get them. which one was it?


Which is it? Both, of course. I "did not want to throw my medals away because it is such a perspnal thing," and, besides, I would have to drive home to get them and there wasn't time, but if there was time to drive home, I would have, but I would not have thrown my medals away...I would have fixed a sandwich. So you see, I can have my sandwich and eat it, too."

Who cares? It's not an issue. It's just smear tactics.

Whatever. Kerry blatantly lies. Even over trivial stuff. Yes all politicians lie, including Bush, but Kerry's mouth is his undoing.

And quit saying smear tactics, or how the republicans are attacking Kerry. The DNC is just as guilty of attacking Bush as the republicans are at attacking Kerry.

so you'll quibble over medals a man earned, and ignore the fact that during this time bush used his fathers power to avoid war and have another man drafted in his stead?

The issue really isn't the earning of medals in this case. It's about him lying/obfuscating/nuancing his statements about it over the years. He has NOT been consistant with them unless you really believe that "medals" and "Ribbons" were being used interchangably - which is laughable considering he has differentiated between them in the past.

Meh - I think kerry is going to lose this issue if he doesn't get a handle on it quick like. His attempt at damage control failed miserably this morning.

I still would like to know where exactly kerry slept the night before they threw their "symbols" over the fence.

CkG

He obviously slept in Jane Fonda's bed at the Watergate Hotel. He made love to her after eating a few choice babies.

Zephyr

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I still would like to know where exactly kerry slept the night before they threw their "symbols" over the fence.

CkG

He obviously slept in Jane Fonda's bed at the Watergate Hotel. He made love to her after eating a few choice babies.

Zephyr

I am being serious, but thanks for that imagery.:Q

But on a light-hearted note. He claims he voted AGAINST tossing the medals/Ribbons/symbols/whatevers before he actually did toss the medals/Ribbons/symbols/whatevers.


CkG

 

[conjur]

OLIPHANT IN COMING BOSTON GLOBE: 'I was 4 or 5 feet behind John Kerry. I watched Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons... There couldn't have been all that many decorations in his hand -- six or seven -- because he made a closed fist around his collection... From what I could observe firsthand about Friday, April 23, 1971, Kerry did not make even the slightest effort to pretend that he was throwing all of his military decorations over that fence.... Kerry had arrived here with only the ribbons he wore on his shirt...

OLIPHANT: 'I have always found the political junk served up by Kerry's detractors to be undignified as well as largely inaccurate. I write now because the political junk is much higher profile now, though no less misleading -- and not, by the way, because in her fourth job in the public arena, my daughter just joined Kerry's staff. I just happened to be there that long-ago day. I saw what happened and heard what Kerry said and know what he meant. The truth happens to be with him...'

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: conjur
OLIPHANT IN COMING BOSTON GLOBE: 'I was 4 or 5 feet behind John Kerry. I watched Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons... There couldn't have been all that many decorations in his hand -- six or seven -- because he made a closed fist around his collection... From what I could observe firsthand about Friday, April 23, 1971, Kerry did not make even the slightest effort to pretend that he was throwing all of his military decorations over that fence.... Kerry had arrived here with only the ribbons he wore on his shirt...

OLIPHANT: 'I have always found the political junk served up by Kerry's detractors to be undignified as well as largely inaccurate. I write now because the political junk is much higher profile now, though no less misleading -- and not, by the way, because in her fourth job in the public arena, my daughter just joined Kerry's staff. I just happened to be there that long-ago day. I saw what happened and heard what Kerry said and know what he meant. The truth happens to be with him...'

Kerry unaware being taped after GMA segment, "Geez... They're working for the Republican National Committee" of ABC's Charlie Gibson, GMA Staff...

Bwhahah that mouth of his. Hed be more likely to be elected if he just never said a word.

 

[Chris S]

C'mon now guys, do you really think this was a smear by GWB and friends??? He can't get on GMA for anything. This is a ploy by the Clintonista's to make sure Kerry crashes and burns. KERRY CANNOT WIN!!! If he does, Hillary will potentially never get to be the first female socialist elected to be president of the USA! KERRY MUST LOSE!!! Thata way HC is a shoe in for '08 (at which point I move to Costa Rica). As bad as Kerry is, I almost hope he wins so Hillary is doomed to political oblivion. GWB would be throwing himself on the grenade for the good of the Corps. Trust me Kerry won't win, because even the Dems aren't really behind him, Bill and Hillary will see to it!!!

 

[conjur]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/27/politics/campaign/27CHEN.html?hp

It was Mr. Cheney's third speech attacking Mr. Kerry. His words on Monday were so sharp that the president of Westminster College, Fletcher M. Lamkin, sent out a notice to students and faculty chastising Mr. Cheney for the tone he set and promising to extend a similar invitation to Mr. Kerry.

"Frankly, I must admit that I was surprised and disappointed that Mr. Cheney chose to step off the high ground and resort to Kerry-bashing for a large portion of his speech," Mr. Lamkin said. "The content and tone of his speech was not provided to us prior to the event ? we had only been told the speech would be about foreign policy, including issues in Iraq."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/27/politics/campaign/27CHEN.html?hp

It was Mr. Cheney's third speech attacking Mr. Kerry. His words on Monday were so sharp that the president of Westminster College, Fletcher M. Lamkin, sent out a notice to students and faculty chastising Mr. Cheney for the tone he set and promising to extend a similar invitation to Mr. Kerry.

"Frankly, I must admit that I was surprised and disappointed that Mr. Cheney chose to step off the high ground and resort to Kerry-bashing for a large portion of his speech," Mr. Lamkin said. "The content and tone of his speech was not provided to us prior to the event ? we had only been told the speech would be about foreign policy, including issues in Iraq."

Mr. Kerry had previously declined to join other Democrats in raising questions about Mr. Bush's National Guard attendance record.

yeah, seems he really didn't mean what he said in 1992 I'm discussing that in the quote of the day thread.

Oh, and I wonder how Mr.Lamkin would respond if kerry came to his school. Most of kerry's spouting is bashing Bush. Just something to keep in mind when reading about his whining.

CkG

 

[fjord]

My quote of the day:

This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard.

-- Sen. John Kerry

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: fjord
My quote of the day:

This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard.

-- Sen. John Kerry

Unfortunately for Hanoi John is that more than just Mr. Bush are questioning him on this...

Veterans and Patriots care.

 

[SuperTool]

Are ribbons those little things that are worn instead of medals if you have too many medals?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: fjord
My quote of the day:

This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard.

-- Sen. John Kerry

My quote of the day(in this thread):

?God, [ABC is] doing the work of the Republican National Committee.?
-john F'n kerry

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fjord
My quote of the day:

This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard.

-- Sen. John Kerry

Unfortunately for Hanoi John is that more than just Mr. Bush are questioning him on this...

Veterans and Patriots care.

Well I agree with your distiction-- that Veterans and Patriots are in a different and very separate category from the category where Mr. Bush belongs.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

This man wants to be President. And don't go saying the past doesn't matter...cuz then we should let Uncle Charlie run for president.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: SuperTool
All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

This man wants to be President. And don't go saying the past doesn't matter...cuz then we should let Uncle Charlie run for president.

If you think the past matters that much, then Bush needs to come clean with the truth behind his DUI and Cocaine convictions. Not to mention coming clean with his National Guard [lack of] attendance.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: SuperTool
All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

This man wants to be President. And don't go saying the past doesn't matter...cuz then we should let Uncle Charlie run for president.

If you think the past matters that much, then Bush needs to come clean with the truth behind his DUI and Cocaine convictions. Not to mention coming clean with his National Guard [lack of] attendance.

What does that have to do with Kerry?...dont muddle this thread with the actions of someone else.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: SuperTool
All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

This man wants to be President. And don't go saying the past doesn't matter...cuz then we should let Uncle Charlie run for president.

The past does matter. This man served honorably, and killed 20 VietCong. Saying he threw medals instead of ribbons in 1971 does not change that. Ribbons are just compact medals as far as I thought. But I guess technically speaking he was wrong.

 

[UltraQuiet]

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

That's a horrible analogy. Kerry's ribbons/medals in no way represent the same thing as the flag. The majority of them represented his achievements and service on a personal level and do not symbolize the same thing as our flag.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: SuperTool
All this hoopla because in 1971, Kerry said he threw medals instead of ribbons, which stand for those medals? Must be a really slow news cycle.

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

This man wants to be President. And don't go saying the past doesn't matter...cuz then we should let Uncle Charlie run for president.

If you think the past matters that much, then Bush needs to come clean with the truth behind his DUI and Cocaine convictions. Not to mention coming clean with his National Guard [lack of] attendance.

What does that have to do with Kerry?...dont muddle this thread with the actions of someone else.

You claim Kerry's past matters because he wants to be President. Well, Bush's actions are more heinous, imo, and he's currently our President and seeking re-election. How can we trust a drunkard and drug fiend?

It's no wonder Bush seems himself as a non-intellectual and doesn't like to read. He's destroyed his brain.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

A good analogy to what he did is if he would have urinated on the flag.

That's a horrible analogy. Kerry's ribbons/medals in no way represent the same thing as the flag. The majority of them represented his achievements and service on a personal level and do not symbolize the same thing as our flag.

UQ, let GOPack spew his outlandish nonsense.

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: SuperTool


You claim Kerry's past matters because he wants to be President. Well, Bush's actions are more heinous, imo, and he's currently our President and seeking re-election. How can we trust a drunkard and drug fiend?

It's no wonder Bush seems himself as a non-intellectual and doesn't like to read. He's destroyed his brain.

Heinous describes well Bush's past and present.

 

[Painman]

Thank you all for your participation

Though my thoughts on the issue stand... we'll be moving on from (or forgetting about) this soon. It may feed into a sustained Republican meta-attack on Kerry's credibility and percieved opportunism (in lieu of MAJOR improvements in the economy or the Iraq war I think this is all the 'Pubs can do - try to shoot Kerry in the kneecaps since they barely have legs of their own to stand on right now). Yeah, I think jobs and the success/failure of the Iraq campaign are the meat and potatoes of this year's election. Both of these things are entirely up in the air. 6 more months to go