To save Healthcare, let the sickest 20% die

[shortylickens]

Great solution: The poor black woman can't have an abortion because she can't afford one, so she's forced to give birth. But then the baby will die of some minor ailment because the woman can't afford health care.

You are a brilliant theoretician, and I'm sure the pro-life crowd will be overjoyed.

Bullshit. Theres assloads of black kids running around that could have been aborted but the parents chose not to cuz they wanted extra welfare money.

Thats right, I said it. I am a piece of shit.

 

[Brigandier]

Bullshit. Theres assloads of black kids running around that could have been aborted but the parents chose not to cuz they wanted extra welfare money.

Thats right, I said it. I am a piece of shit.

You're a shitty person. There are children of all races and creed that should have been aborted. To focus on one is to ignore the real issue.

 

[matt0611]

Great solution: The poor black woman can't have an abortion because she can't afford one, so she's forced to give birth. But then the baby will die of some minor ailment because the woman can't afford health care.

You are a brilliant theoretician, and I'm sure the pro-life crowd will be overjoyed.

How much does an abortion cost? like $1000 dollars?
How much does a child cost? A hell of a lot more than $1000 dollars I'm sure

 

[shira]

How much does an abortion cost? like $1000 dollars?
How much does a child cost? A hell of a lot more than $1000 dollars I'm sure

What does this have to do whe HACP's solution? According to him, if you can't afford to pay for health care, die.

 

[alkemyst]

Most physicians in the U.S. are wealthy. Most physicians in other first-world countries are just middle class. The difference is that health care in the U.S. is a for-profit industry, whereas in most other places it's not. That difference is a major contributor to why we spend so much more per-capita for health care than any other country.

But the right tells us that free markets are always a good thing.

I wouldn't say most physicians in the US are wealthy.

It's one of the tougher bang for buck paths to go on.

With all the legal shit we have here they live in constant fear of that.

The lawsuits we allow is why it's so spendy.

 

[alkemyst]

Bullshit. Theres assloads of black kids running around that could have been aborted but the parents chose not to cuz they wanted extra welfare money.

Thats right, I said it. I am a piece of shit.

how do you fly under the moderation's here radar?

 

[Craig234]

So its ok in your book to "get rid" of people that you disagree with politically?

You aren't going too well following the logic here.

He's pointing out the EFFECT of the policy the tea partiers want, not endorsing it.

Usually in politics, it's pointing out why some group being selfish is wrong for doing so.

But when you get an especially ignorant group falling for propaganda, you can sometimes get to point out how the policy they are backing hurts them.

Remember, he's backing the policy that HELPS tea partiers against their wishes.

Instead of bothering to pay attention, you took the cheap shot that's wrong, trying to say he's some nut who wants to kill people who he disagrees with.

 

[Craig234]

how do you fly under the moderation's here radar?

By flying very, very low, as in bottom-feeder, down in the gutter low.

 

[Craig234]

I wouldn't say most physicians in the US are wealthy.

It's one of the tougher bang for buck paths to go on.

With all the legal shit we have here they live in constant fear of that.

The lawsuits we allow is why it's so spendy.

First, they tend to make more than in other countries, which is the point, not to debate the word 'wealthy' which almost never does any good.

Second, what a remarkable coincidence that while the real expert studies say that lawsuits are no more than 1% of the healthcare cost issue, it's a leading issue of the right wing, as they represent the monied interests who would like to cut down the amount not for justice but for their own pocketbooks - and so many of our posters, who may not be expert on anything else on the healthcare industry, are able to easily pontificate as experts how the lawsuit issue is a huge part of the problem.

I hope they get good quality crackers from the propagandists.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. What the OP and the usual ravers fail to consider is that every one of us will end up in that expensive 20%, provided that we don't die suddenly and unexpectedly.

I will agree that individuals tend to disregard the expense when they're dealing with their own end of life situation, and when they're irrationally distressed by the impending death of a loved one. None of that means they and we should be exploited by medical practices whose basic goal is to enrich the providers rather than to cure, ease the suffering or extend the life of the afflicted.

The OP fundamentally misidentifies the nature of the issues, quite deliberately. So does this guy, but at least his rant is satirical-

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7533&IBLOCK_ID=35

 

[shortylickens]

how do you fly under the moderation's here radar?

I dont, I get banned constantly. And I didnt suggest black kids should be aborted. I suggested some blacks enjoy being welfare leeches. Which has already been stated many times by many people in P&N, so if I go down I'm taking like 20 guys with me.


And you are a much bigger piece of shit than I am and you rarely get banned, so I dunno why the hell you are asking me that question anyhow.

 

[Hacp]

Bullshit. Theres assloads of black kids running around that could have been aborted but the parents chose not to cuz they wanted extra welfare money.

Thats right, I said it. I am a piece of shit.

:awe:

Finally, someone who says it as he sees it. I'm tired of this politically correct bullshit. Less PC, more FREEDOM!

 

[dmcowen674]

Most physicians in the U.S. are wealthy.

Most physicians in other first-world countries are just middle class.

The difference is that health care in the U.S. is a for-profit industry, whereas in most other places it's not.

That difference is a major contributor to why we spend so much more per-capita for health care than any other country.

But the right tells us that free markets are always a good thing.

Nail = Head

 

[alkemyst]

And you are a much bigger piece of shit than I am and you rarely get banned, so I dunno why the hell you are asking me that question anyhow.

How am I a piece of shit?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Most physicians in the U.S. are wealthy. Most physicians in other first-world countries are just middle class. The difference is that health care in the U.S. is a for-profit industry, whereas in most other places it's not. That difference is a major contributor to why we spend so much more per-capita for health care than any other country.

But the right tells us that free markets are always a good thing.

Most Doctors don't meet the left's rich ($250k/year) criteria.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_/_Doctors/Salary/by_Job

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Nail = Head

Move to Somalia already, it's apparent you hate the American way of life.

 

[Carmen813]

What solution do you propose for when the families of those unhealthy 20% start killing family members of the other 80%?

 

[Howard]

If you kill the sickest 20%, you don't get rid of the sickest 20%...

like srsly now

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nail = Head

What free market? I've never seen that from a provider standpoint.

 

[hal2kilo]

What does this have to do whe HACP's solution? According to him, if you can't afford to pay for health care, die.

HACP's solution? I thought that was the Republican healthcare plan in a nutshell.

 

[shortylickens]

How am I a piece of shit?

SHUT UP!
I dont know!

Everyone sucks but me!

No really I'm just trolling. Ignore me please. I never take anything seriously in P&N, especially when it gets personal. The only time you should take me seriously is in L&R. I dont post useless, hateful comments there. If I have nothing constructive to say I dont post at all.

 

[piasabird]

Lots of the time it is the rich people that get the kidneys and other organs for transplants. poor people deserve the donor organs just as much. It is questionable about whether those that smoke and drink alcohol deserve donor organs. Doing either one of these activities is putting your body at risk. You could say the same for people who Ski, Mountain Climb, and go horseback riding. You could also say the same thing for extreme sports like football, where people are paid to run into each other.

There are many activities where the individual is putting themselves at risk. People have to eat but people dont have to Smoke and consume alcohol or other illegal drugs. So if you are a pot smoker, an alcoholic, or a drug addict, or you are belemic, you dont deserve health care either. These people did it to themselves so just like fat people they dont deserve treatment.

Is this the world you want to live in?

 

[1prophet]

Actually Warren Buffet hasn't given all his money yet and he wants to raise taxes on the income that he and other wealthy plutocrats CURRENTLY make.

Tax the Rich but don't touch their loopholes.


Raising taxes on people like Warren Buffet are disingenuous at best if the loopholes that their slick tax attorneys are able to exploit for them aren't eliminated as well.

 

[shira]

I wouldn't say most physicians in the US are wealthy.

It's one of the tougher bang for buck paths to go on.

With all the legal shit we have here they live in constant fear of that.

The lawsuits we allow is why it's so spendy.

Actually, at least two non-partisan analyses have shown that the amount that would be saved if medical malpractice reform were implemented would be only about 0.5%. For example:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/710364

Overall, tort reform would reduce the nation's healthcare spending by 0.5%, the report stated. Forty percent of these savings would stem from lower malpractice insurance premiums for providers. The rest of the savings would result from lower use of healthcare services, as providers would order fewer tests and procedures intended simply to avoid a lawsuit.

 

[hal2kilo]

Actually, at least two non-partisan analyses have shown that the amount that would be saved if medical malpractice reform were implemented would be only about 0.5%. For example:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/710364

Don't confuse the anti-due process people with facts.