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To Keep bulking to Cut? (pics)

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crazySOB297 said:
Oh I know the 30lbs is not in muscle, it's from the overeating I was doing to start the bulking process. It's exactly how stronglifts recommends doing it, gain the muscle and fat, then lose the fat. I'm just not sure when I'm supposed to start working on that side.
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As I've tried to say again and again, deciding when to start cutting or to keep bulking depends on your goals. Define those and it'll become obvious.

crazySOB297 said:
As far as what my goals are for being in shape, I have a hard time pinning down goals because I don't really have any targets. I'm not trying to be a body builder, I don't really have a target weight, I'm not shooting for playing any sports, and I don't have a gym partner that I can be competitive with.
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If I asked you right now the question "are you in shape?", what would your answer be? If it is "no" or "kind of", then what is missing? Are you not strong enough? If so, on what lifts? Do you not have enough stamina/endurance? By what measure? You probably have a decent idea in your mind of what "in shape" is and so you can figure out pretty easily how far away you are from that ideal. For example, if you are primarily interested in strength, being in the "advanced" category in all the weightlifting performance standards is a great goal. At a bodyweight of 230lbs, this would mean you should work towards a ~415lb squat, ~485lbs deadlift, 185lb press and so on. If "general fitness" is your goal, then maybe working towards the "advanced" category in all areas of the Crossfit Skill Levels should be your goal. Once you figure out which goals you are interested in, it should be easier to figure out if bulking or cutting will make it easier to get there.

crazySOB297 said:
As far as the deadlifting, I do follow the plan and go up in weight as planned. It was hard the first 2 weeks or so, but ever since then it has seemed like I'm working myself far harder on squats then deadlift. I don't have to strain nearly as much to get the deadlift done, and it doesn't affect how sore or tired I am after doing them.
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If you deadlift 1-2 times per week (as you should be in SL 5x5) and add 10lbs each workout, then your deadlift will be going up ~60lbs each month. Unless you are a gifted deadlifter, you'll probably start to struggle pretty soon. And if it really is too easy for you right now, you can try 1 or 2 bumps of 20lbs, just be aware that stalling early is worse than staying a bit too light for a while.
 
brikis98 said:
As I've tried to say again and again, deciding when to start cutting or to keep bulking depends on your goals. Define those and it'll become obvious.


If I asked you right now the question "are you in shape?", what would your answer be? If it is "no" or "kind of", then what is missing? Are you not strong enough? If so, on what lifts? Do you not have enough stamina/endurance? By what measure? You probably have a decent idea in your mind of what "in shape" is and so you can figure out pretty easily how far away you are from that ideal. For example, if you are primarily interested in strength, being in the "advanced" category in all the weightlifting performance standards is a great goal. At a bodyweight of 230lbs, this would mean you should work towards a ~415lb squat, ~485lbs deadlift, 185lb press and so on. If "general fitness" is your goal, then maybe working towards the "advanced" category in all areas of the Crossfit Skill Levels should be your goal. Once you figure out which goals you are interested in, it should be easier to figure out if bulking or cutting will make it easier to get there.


If you deadlift 1-2 times per week (as you should be in SL 5x5) and add 10lbs each workout, then your deadlift will be going up ~60lbs each month. Unless you are a gifted deadlifter, you'll probably start to struggle pretty soon. And if it really is too easy for you right now, you can try 1 or 2 bumps of 20lbs, just be aware that stalling early is worse than staying a bit too light for a while.
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Thank you for those charts, they're exactly what I needed. I'll continue on with deadlifts as is.

Sorry again for derailing the thread.
 
crazySOB297 said:
Thank you for those charts, they're exactly what I needed. I'll continue on with deadlifts as is.

Sorry again for derailing the thread.
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No problem. The same charts may be useful to the OP as well to figure out his goals. To get the thread back on track, I'd also mention Crossfit Football as a great strength & conditioning program for football players.
 
yelo333 said:
I don't have any advice, but I had to jump in here. You're 16 and have already achieved those results? Great work, keep it up!

Out of curiosity, what kind of weights are you moving around for the major lifts?
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Bench 195
DL - 285
Squat - 305

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40y - 4.76s
 
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Just get f0cking ripped. Doesn't seem your as keen on improving performance as you are cutting cut up!

Just do what makes you happy. If getting cut up/ lifting more/ getting huge/ dancing with fairies is it roll with that :thumbsup;

It's about doing what you enjoy mate 🙂

Koing
 
Watch your calories - if you're putting on too much fat with the muscle, then scale it back a bit.

And there's no reason to cut in the middle of winter 😛 Bulk until March or April, that's plenty of time to get your lifts up and gain maybe 10lbs or so of LBM, then enter a very slight caloric deficit and start all your agility/plyometrics training.
 
puqdew said:
Bench 195
DL - 285
Squat - 305

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40y - 4.76s
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Sounds like your speed is pretty good, but you need to add some serious strength/power. Continue bulking and get those lift numbers up. And for most people, the DL should be higher than the squat - if yours isn't, it is likely a sign of bad deadlift technique and/or not squatting below parallel.
 
puqdew said:
Yes, I'm sure I'm doing things right. I can deadlift more than 285 but never have. (Can rep 285 3-4 times)
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I'm like this too, can do sets of 325 but 335 I can't get off the ground. I think my grip effects my DL more than poor form or being weak since I can squat considerably more than 335.
 
SociallyChallenged said:
Also, you know what else will help your performance? If you stop fucking smoking 35g of weed with your GF. Your lungs go to shit from smoking anything. If you want to get anywhere in football, you're gonna need your lungs.

This post in reference to http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2032896
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lol love call outs! lol

OP lay off the MJ man...is that sh!t not tested in the states or yout not at the level where they do testing?!

Koing
 
SociallyChallenged said:
I knew someone would post about a professional athlete. Still doesn't mean he couldn't be better without it.
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I didn't say otherwise. Someone said Ricky Williams, someone replied implying that Williams is no longer in the NFL, I stated that he still is. Just "clearing the air", so to speak.
 
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