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drifter106

drifter106

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Can this be discussed rationally.....what was the reasoning behind Pres. Obama giving billions of dollars to Iran. Surely they realize that Iran wants to start a war to instigate the "armageddon" to end all things. I always wondered if the left was truly thinking about the best way to keep Americans safe. I see it as money to help terrorists and none of it will go to helping the Iranian economy.
 
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brycejones

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Simply put it was their money in the first place.

As for your post you certainly don't seem to want a rational discussion based on the tone.

Good luck with your trolling.
 
Sonikku

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"Giving" money to Iran? Wasn't it their money to begin with that was being frozen or something? One would think Repubs could get behind the government taking less of someone's money.
 
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drifter106 said:
Can this be discussed rationally.....what was the reasoning behind Pres. Obama giving billions of dollars to Iran. Surely they realize that Iran wants to start a war to instigate the "armageddon" to end all things. I always wondered if the left was truly thinking about the best way to keep Americans safe. I see it as money to help terrorists and none of it will go to helping the Iranian economy.
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Don't worry about it. You'll be raptured through the pearly gates.
 
MomentsofSanity

MomentsofSanity

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drifter106 said:
Can this be discussed rationally.....what was the reasoning behind Pres. Obama giving billions of dollars to Iran. Surely they realize that Iran wants to start a war to instigate the "armageddon" to end all things. I always wondered if the left was truly thinking about the best way to keep Americans safe. I see it as money to help terrorists and none of it will go to helping the Iranian economy.
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You want to discus it rationally? Let's try.

It was Iran's money frozen decades earlier by the United States. An international court was about to order the United States to turn the assets over. So they did. Had they not they would be violating international treaties and agreements.

That's the topic rationally.
 
John Connor

John Connor

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drifter106 said:
Can this be discussed rationally.....what was the reasoning behind Pres. Obama giving billions of dollars to Iran. Surely they realize that Iran wants to start a war to instigate the "armageddon" to end all things. I always wondered if the left was truly thinking about the best way to keep Americans safe. I see it as money to help terrorists and none of it will go to helping the Iranian economy.
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You already know the answer and this thread, given it's asinine audience isn't gonna give you any more of a clear answer.

It was stupid, it was reckless and all Obozo wanted to do is try to make peace with a country that want's to "wipe Israel off the map." You can't make peace with that mental fuck of a country. No two ways about it.
 
John Connor

John Connor

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MomentsofSanity said:
You want to discus it rationally? Let's try.

It was Iran's money frozen decades earlier by the United States. An international court was about to order the United States to turn the assets over. So they did. Had they not they would be violating international treaties and agreements.

That's the topic rationally.
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It was a ransom clueless! That's why they used all sorts of bills, flew that shit in on pallets and went around the system to deliver the goods like a damn gangster. Meanwhile hostages waited on the same tarmac as the money was being exchanged.

Lets not forget that Obozo was also the first to negotiate with Terrorists to release shit head deserter Bo Bergdahl. Many of his peers DIED looking for that sorry asshole.
 
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John Connor said:
It was a ransom clueless! That's why they used all sorts of bills, flew that shit in on pallets and went around the system to deliver the goods like a damn gangster. Meanwhile hostages waited on the same tarmac as the money was being exchanged.
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Linky-linky.

Lets not forget that Obozo was also the first to negotiate with Terrorists to release shit head deserter Bo Bergdahl. Many of his peers DIED looking for that sorry asshole.
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Nah. Reagan did it first with hostages in Lebanon.
 
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Put down the crazy websites and get yourself some sane information. It was their money, that had been seized, being returned.

They don't have WMDs. You don't need to shit in your pants. Are there really that many slack jawed idgits that would fall for the exact same bullshit? Find themselves in another disaster and once again helping to make the world less safe for everyone by fertilizing a breeding ground for terrorism.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. Pure insanity is repeating the same mistake at a time when your country's leader is mentally ill.
 
MomentsofSanity

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John Connor said:
It was a ransom clueless! That's why they used all sorts of bills, flew that shit in on pallets and went around the system to deliver the goods like a damn gangster. Meanwhile hostages waited on the same tarmac as the money was being exchanged.

Lets not forget that Obozo was also the first to negotiate with Terrorists to release shit head deserter Bo Bergdahl. Many of his peers DIED looking for that sorry asshole.
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see that's not a rational discussion. Here. I'll give you a link to Time Magazine. Maybe have a grown up read it to you. Then we can discuss.

http://time.com/4441046/400-million-iran-hostage-history/
 
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Now that you are done wading through the bullshit above, let me give you the real answer, assuming you even care to know the truth.

Before the Iranian revolution when we were friendly with Iran, i.e. Iran was our bitch, Iran paid us a lot of money for for some military hardware. Before we delivered said hardware, the Iranian revolution happened, and we never delivered the goods, nor returned the money. Now there is no legal precedent for being allowed to steal someone's money after entering in a contract just because you decide you suddenly don't like the other party. Iran had sued the United States to recover this money with interest, and the US losing that case was considered inevitable, as it should be. With this being the case, the US decided to use the quick resolution of this case as leverage in a negotiation, which is what I call good negotiating since that leverage would eventually become worthless regardless.

Now anyone telling you otherwise, or calling it ransom, is simply lying to you, especially the republican politicians who are well aware of what I typed above, but they know their constituents will believe their lies, and the right wing media won't set the record straight since lying to you is pretty much their business model.

So there it is. I know facts can be uncomfortable at times. If you are a right winger and didn't know this, you should really ask yourself why.
 
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John Connor

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MomentsofSanity said:
see that's not a rational discussion. Here. I'll give you a link to Time Magazine. Maybe have a grown up read it to you. Then we can discuss.

http://time.com/4441046/400-million-iran-hostage-history/
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Why don't you read the article I linked to before you try to claim Iran was some how owed this money. Be a god damn critical thinker for once and pull your head out of your ass. Stop reading into the far-left propaganda. Wake up and smell the roses, hear the trumps and only know that President Trump will NOT negotiate with a state sponsor of terrorism like Obozo did.
 
John Connor

John Connor

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Mxylplyx said:
Now that you are done wading through the bullshit above, let me give you the real answer, assuming you even care to know the truth.

Before the Iranian revolution when we were friendly with Iran, i.e. Iran was our bitch, Iran paid us a lot of money for for some military hardware. Before we delivered said hardware, the Iranian revolution happened, and we never delivered the goods, nor returned the money. Now there is no legal precedent for being allowed to steal someone's money after entering in a contract just because you decide you suddenly don't like the other party. Iran had sued the United States to recover this money with interest, and the US losing that case was considered inevitable, as it should be. With this being the case, the US decided to use the quick resolution of this case as leverage in a negotiation, which is what I call good negotiating since that leverage would eventually become worthless regardless.

Now anyone telling you otherwise, or calling it ransom, is simply lying to you, especially the republican politicians who are well aware of what I typed above, but they know their constituents will believe their lies, and the right wing media won't set the record straight since lying to you is pretty much their business model.

So there it is. I know facts can be uncomfortable at times. If you are a right winger and didn't know this, you should really ask yourself why.
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And because you're a left-winger all is factual. Right.... Leave it to the idiot left to try and rewrite history and skew the facts.
 
MomentsofSanity

MomentsofSanity

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John Connor said:
Why don't you read the article I linked to before you try to claim Iran was some how owed this money. Be a god damn critical thinker for once and pull your head out of your ass. Stop reading into the far-left propaganda. Wake up and smell the roses, hear the trumps and only know that President Trump will NOT negotiate with a state sponsor of terrorism like Obozo did.
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Well see I was aware of the US Iran claims tribunals for over two decades. That's how I know why the US owed Iran money. That's why I know the article you linked is complete bullshit.

You really aren't good at this rational discussion thing are you?
 
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drifter106 said:
what was the reasoning behind Pres. Obama giving billions of dollars to Iran..
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Depends on who you're asking

P.S. - You can't ask for a rational discussion then stir the pot immediately after with declarative statements. You're better than that. Whole thread is fucked now.

I don't have a straightforward explanation for you.

I can tell you with certainty that "it was just time for america, the great satan, to return money that was not hers" is not the reason, though.
 
John Connor

John Connor

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The U.S doesn't owe shit! The U.S. is FORBIDDEN at allowing any currency going to Iran. Whether it be in U.S. dollars or foreign currency. It was a thug move by a Chicago thug for ransom and nothing more.

You may well be more simple minded and ignorant than racist, but what you wrote is also dog-whistle crude racism.

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