Of course Israel doesn't want them to have a bomb. Even with a bomb though, Iran is hardly 'untouchable'. In many ways I view control of the Straights of Hormuz as even more devastating than a nuke, so Iran has been effectively 'untouchable' for years in that respect.
Of course Israel doesn't want them to have a bomb. Even with a bomb though, Iran is hardly 'untouchable'. In many ways I view control of the Straights of Hormuz as even more devastating than a nuke, so Iran has been effectively 'untouchable' for years in that respect.
Iran has being doing without for a very long time and they know how to live under a embargo. As for Israel itself well it does not have the naval fleet or political clout in the region to completely shut off the Straits of Hormuz without angering the majority of Muslim nations and neither does Israel have the muscle to completely shut off Iran from the rest of its neighbors or the world. The only real card Israel has to keep it safe from being over run and completely destroyed has been our support and their own nuclear program. The only military nuclear program in the region. Iran having a nuclear program would basically ensure the eventual demise of Israel even if nukes are not used. Iran would have the courage to enact more aggressive moves toward Israel knowing full well they could match what Israel would throw at them in a nuclear war with due time.
Edit: Of course the coast line of Iran extends past the Straits of Hurmoz and into the Gulf of Oman.
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No one in the world has the political clout to shut the straights of Hormuz. The only people really capable of doing it are Iran and the United States. Iran would be terribly hurt by closing the straights, but doing so for any significant length of time would effectively destroy the world economy. That's way better than a nuke.
Iran having a nuclear weapon in no way 'ensures the eventual demise of Israel'. Countries will only use nukes (most likely) if their national survival is at stake. If it comes to the point that Israel is willing to nuke Iran, Iran having or not having nukes will not change that fact. Similarly, Iran's unwillingness to place Israel in that situation will not be changed by Iranian nuclear weapons.
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Iran has demonstrated that it can deliver weapons to proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria.
All of those locations can then toss a loaded weapon into Israel proper.
Delivery of a nuke to any of those places is considerably more difficult than regular weapons, and 'tossing' a nuke at Israel from one of them is an order of magnitude more difficult.
Either way, Iran isn't planning on nuking Israel anyway so it's sort of a moot point.
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How are they going to toss it, please elaborate? Also I doubt Lebanon and Syria will be ok with allowing Iran to use there countries as launching point for a nuclear attack in Israeli. Convential attacks is one matter, using a nuke is another matter. I doubt the Palestanians will go along with it since any fallout will have a severe effect on them also.
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There were Iranian missiles fired against Israeli boats when the Lebanon conflict started up a few years ago. If those missiles made it into Lebanon; why could not such also get to Syria.
Gaza smuggles weapons in from Egypt via tunnels and Iran has tried to send ships with weapons to their proxies.
The Syria government hates Israel.
The Lebanon government is being about to be controlled by a Syrian proxy.
The Gaza government has demonstrated that they do not care what Israel reactions are w/ respect to the Palestinian people. The worse the reaction; the better publicity for them and the more sympathy & $$ come into their coffers.
You do not need to have a nuke attack. Just a backpack bomb let off in an Israeli city will make many militants and their sponsors happy.
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The source may be able to be traced.
The terrorists that loosen the bomb will not care.
IF the material was "stolen"...
Russia has a problem accoutnign for all its material, especially after the breakup.
The Us can not even track every gram.
The terrorists that loosen the bomb will not care.
IF the material was "stolen"...
Russia has a problem accoutnign for all its material, especially after the breakup.
The Us can not even track every gram.
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It takes decades to miniaturize a nuclear weapon to the point of either been small enough to fit on a rocket our get a backpack nuke. This how big the first US nuclear devices where. Developing a bomb is one thing, getting a reliable delivery system is another.
Syria hates Isreli but not enough to commit national suicide over it.
Can you imagine the uproar if Israeli catches somebody trying to smuggle a Iranian nuclear weapon in Israeli. If you are going to use a nuclear weapon you better be damn sure that you have reliable delivery system. So Iran is going to trust a nuclear weapon with other nations states so smuggle it into Israeli. I don't think so. Basically Iran knows that the weapon will be traced back to them through nuclear forensics. If the weapon is delivered and succesfully detonates on Israeli soil, the nation of Iran will no longer exist because Israeli has a reliable nuclear delivery system and Iran has no counter measure. Nuclear weapons are just a postering thing for them.
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Many fanatics do not care. Look at AQ for example - they had no qualms about the damage that was done because of them. If they could get their hands on a nuke (from Russia/Pakistan/India, etc) they have enough technical expertise at their disposal to utilize it. One could bribe/buy it, steal it, or utilize existing knowhow to build it. Just because it may be difficult, does not mean that a country is the only one that can have the resources.
A delivery system does not have to be a missile, it could be a truck/ship/airplane. All three options have already be proven to work elsewhere in the world.
Iran itself may not bet it's existence; however, some radical faction may be willing to utilize what Iran has available and move on from their. Iran may be treated as a tool by some other fanatic group.
We have the technology to identify nuke material. Once that material is stolen, then who becomes responsible?
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Why does PJABBER come up with only two binary Israeli choices? Which imply that if Israel does not make a preemptive strike against Iran, they better build bomb shelters instead because an Iranian nuclear strike is sure to come.
Lets do a short review of the entire 61 year history of Israel. Granted the initial Arab attacks were unjustified, but as Israeli behavior emerged, I think anyone but the most dim realize that the continuing and undiminished terrorism against Israel are attacks that Israel earns because of the Israeli systematic theft of land and property that still continues. Nor is Iran the origin of even a small fraction of terrorist attacks against Israel, as Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab world finance Anti-Israeli terrorism as public and private policy. And in return Israeli agents engage in assassinations across the Arab world.
And it never seems to occur to Israeli fan clubbers that if Israel wants safety and an end to Arab hostility, they need to change their disgusting behavior. Things like supporting a viable Palestinian State and returning land that they have stolen in the past. Failing that, Israel's greatest danger will be from terrorists who acquire chemical and biologic technologies along with the means to deliver them deep inside Israel. And any of the Russian loose nukes may fall into terrorists hands at some future date.
As for Iran, their go or no go point on nuclear weapons is still years into the future, and any nuclear strike they might mount against Israel would be met by a far larger nuclear strike against Iran by Israel and other nuclear powers.
Lets do a short review of the entire 61 year history of Israel. Granted the initial Arab attacks were unjustified, but as Israeli behavior emerged, I think anyone but the most dim realize that the continuing and undiminished terrorism against Israel are attacks that Israel earns because of the Israeli systematic theft of land and property that still continues. Nor is Iran the origin of even a small fraction of terrorist attacks against Israel, as Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab world finance Anti-Israeli terrorism as public and private policy. And in return Israeli agents engage in assassinations across the Arab world.
And it never seems to occur to Israeli fan clubbers that if Israel wants safety and an end to Arab hostility, they need to change their disgusting behavior. Things like supporting a viable Palestinian State and returning land that they have stolen in the past. Failing that, Israel's greatest danger will be from terrorists who acquire chemical and biologic technologies along with the means to deliver them deep inside Israel. And any of the Russian loose nukes may fall into terrorists hands at some future date.
As for Iran, their go or no go point on nuclear weapons is still years into the future, and any nuclear strike they might mount against Israel would be met by a far larger nuclear strike against Iran by Israel and other nuclear powers.
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Delivery of a nuke via Truck/ship/airplane is difficult because unlike convential explosives nuclear material gives of a signature that can be detected from outside the vehicle. So there is a high likely hood that the material will be detected. Israeli commercial airplane security is extremely tight also so I doubt the ability of terrorists to get a nuclear weapon onboard a plane to Israeli.
Basically if Iran gets a nuclear weapon stolen and a terrroist uses it on Israeli then Iran will cease to exist. Both Iran and Pakistan know this, that is why Pakistan highly guards it's nuclear weapons. Pakistan has the same issue with extremists. The only way that Iran could save itself would be to disclose that it had a nuclear weapon stolen before the attack actually happened. What becomes more problemetic if a Russian nuclear weapon was stolen and then used by terrorists. However this discussion is about Iran.
:roll:I think you should firstly be selected as the operational commander of delta force and be given "full head" to stop this impending Judgement day from approaching. At the very lest it will get you away from the financial sector which is poisoning your soul!
A patriotic Hero needs to rise from the ranks of the common man and become our brave new world emperor!
Yes they are all delusional not to see this like you have........O' Great One!
*quick tell everyone the messiah has returned!
You mean your "merchant shipping" which was returning huge fortunes to the usa in arms supplied to the ussr and the uk- and all this time I thought you's were anti-commie? But never let morals or ethics stand in way of a profit!
What about bushies grandpappy giving money to the nazis?
I really believe your countries heads at the time(1940) thought the krauts would win easily. Creating market voids for your country to exploit, with the demise of the UK.
Ohhh were anti-shia now? well why did we remove sunni sadam in iraq?
tell me it wasn't about oil supply!
Wow, this is hard to follow shit maybe I need to watch fox news for the answers.
why don't they just get a few pre-fabbed nukes off pakistan, maybe they do already, what if they are hoping Israel will have ago and give them a reason to nuke them.
Why doesnt japan attack nth korea? thats right, no oil there! or tuna'
Maybe they seek to be able to trade their oil to who they wish and at a price they set, outside of the UsaUK/saudi controlled OPEC.
It would give them the ability to ship out aside from the embargoes applied by the west, as the would have serious retaliative ability to inference to their shipping of oil in international waters.
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