Title Boxing Club or Golds?

[drbrock]

I am in a personal debate on whether I should pony up and do the Title Boxing Club classes or go the cheaper route with Golds. Title is 79 and Golds is 49.99.

My problem with Golds is that I will be lifting weights mostly and getting larger. Which is great for most people but I am 32 with a slower metabolism. I am not obese but I am not cut up either. My main goal is just fitness and health in general. I work out already around 2-3 times a week but that is mainly cycling and hiking.

My diet is mostly in check. Thankfully football season is over and I won't have the Saturday drinking/food binges.

Is title worth the extra 30 bucks a month? I am leaning towards them since I know they will give me one hell of a workout every time I step foot in there. I had stellar results with Insanity when I did that for a month.

Crossfit is not an option. Not worth the injury risk and the price tag down here in So Fla is 150 a month.

Thanks for any input. Right now I am 5'11 195. I was at 183 about a year ago after insanity. I might have been able to go another 10lbs down but that would have been 4 or 6 pack level.

 

[z1ggy]

If you own a house/condo, you're way better off buying used weights off people from craigslist. Unless you're a total beast right now, you could probably get enough weight, plus a rack & bench for $300-350. That's a one time fee, and will pay for itself in 6-7 months if you went to Golds.

Plus, I hear Golds is filled with asshole meatheads anyway.

If you live in a place where you couldn't have your own set, then I guess Golds it is. Although, Planet Fitness around here is only $10 a month. Not sure what Golds gives that's worth 5x as much.

 

[drbrock]

Trust me I would love to buy a set of weights for my place. That is not possible in my current situation. My best days were barely 275. So 300# set would be perfect.

Golds is kind of tool filled, I agree. I used to workout at Planet Fitness but they don't have one where I live/work now. For 10 bucks you can not beat those gyms.

 

[Zivic]

I am in a personal debate on whether I should pony up and do the Title Boxing Club classes or go the cheaper route with Golds. Title is 79 and Golds is 49.99.

My problem with Golds is that I will be lifting weights mostly and getting larger. Which is great for most people but I am 32 with a slower metabolism. I am not obese but I am not cut up either. My main goal is just fitness and health in general. I work out already around 2-3 times a week but that is mainly cycling and hiking.

My diet is mostly in check. Thankfully football season is over and I won't have the Saturday drinking/food binges.

Is title worth the extra 30 bucks a month? I am leaning towards them since I know they will give me one hell of a workout every time I step foot in there. I had stellar results with Insanity when I did that for a month.

Crossfit is not an option. Not worth the injury risk and the price tag down here in So Fla is 150 a month.

Thanks for any input. Right now I am 5'11 195. I was at 183 about a year ago after insanity. I might have been able to go another 10lbs down but that would have been 4 or 6 pack level.

I personally wouldn't use the classes, so a basic gym membership is where I would put my money.

you cannot outwork a bad diet... and I am very confident that cardio is what is keeping people fat. Horrible diets are what gets them fat and makes them fatter. Your diet is "mostly" in check. if you are serious about getting in shape, you need to get your diet in check
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8buicqg3g&list=UUaHx0T1LWrVKWF1XfWWLSuw



I would forget the classes, and get on a consistent weight training program. cycling and hiking is doing little to nothing for your metabolism.

 

[alkemyst]

I personally wouldn't use the classes, so a basic gym membership is where I would put my money.

you cannot outwork a bad diet... and I am very confident that cardio is what is keeping people fat. Horrible diets are what gets them fat and makes them fatter. Your diet is "mostly" in check. if you are serious about getting in shape, you need to get your diet in check
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8buicqg3g&list=UUaHx0T1LWrVKWF1XfWWLSuw



I would forget the classes, and get on a consistent weight training program. cycling and hiking is doing little to nothing for your metabolism.

You DOGMA about diet and lifting only is getting old. Many have great success on cardio / just getting out and about everyday and don't have the best diets.

Some aren't motivated enough to work out on their own, or have other issues that they don't do it. I know quite a few older folks that are afraid of free weight exercises like squats and free presses.

For many classes offer variety and keeps them motivated.

My ex-boss now has his third 9 Round gym. It's not for me, but his have great traffic. It's basically 9 stations you do in 30 mins. They have trainers coaching the floor with optional activities as well. Fast paced and quick workout.

Not everyone cares for boxing though. Not sure if this is contact boxing or not, but I know quite a few that had dreams of learning the art only to drop out when they realized even in headgear, punches can ring you.

 

[Zivic]

You DOGMA about diet and lifting only is getting old. Many have great success on cardio / just getting out and about everyday and don't have the best diets.

define success... my idea of success is likely different than yours or even the OP. When you were posting about becoming a monster, that's not exactly what how I would refer to your 'success'. You don't have to read my posts, put me on ignore if it bothers. It doesn't make what I post incorrect. I think a lot of what you post is getting old

Some aren't motivated enough to work out on their own, or have other issues that they don't do it. I know quite a few older folks that are afraid of free weight exercises like squats and free presses.

For many classes offer variety and keeps them motivated.
too bad for them. to have success you have to do it for yourself/be self motivated. if you rely on an outside source for your motivation you will struggle to make decent gains

My ex-boss now has his third 9 Round gym. It's not for me, but his have great traffic. It's basically 9 stations you do in 30 mins. They have trainers coaching the floor with optional activities as well. Fast paced and quick workout.

Not everyone cares for boxing though. Not sure if this is contact boxing or not, but I know quite a few that had dreams of learning the art only to drop out when they realized even in headgear, punches can ring you.

I don't need to debate with you about the ins and outs of working out... i'm fairly confident my knowledge and experience trumps yours. I have moved the big weights, and have the build to back it up.... I understand not everyone wants what I want, but the basics are still there. and the road is the same, I just have decided I wanted to travel a little further than most

 

[alkemyst]

I don't need to debate with you about the ins and outs of working out... i'm fairly confident my knowledge and experience trumps yours. I have moved the big weights, and have the build to back it up.... I understand not everyone wants what I want, but the basics are still there. and the road is the same, I just have decided I wanted to travel a little further than most

You've also discussed illegal steroids and the like. Being the biggest guy <> most knowledgeable.

Not everyone has the desire to be the biggest in the gym. I was that guy once. I did probably everything you have (steroids aside), in my 20's I was single digit body fat and 195-205 at 5'10.5". Even recently I did a whole transformation in a few months. My diet didn't need to change much at all and I didn't stop drinking.

Cardio doesn't do much for me versus weights, but I can diet and I don't shed weight properly...if I diet too much I start to get sick (I never get sick otherwise).

As far as dropping weight I don't think many could have done what I have done, 86lbs in 90 days once.

 

[Zivic]

You've also discussed illegal steroids and the like. Being the biggest guy <> most knowledgeable.
Discussing them is a far cry from using. You think I'm on juice? pay for a blood test...

Not everyone has the desire to be the biggest in the gym. I was that guy once. I did probably everything you have (steroids aside), in my 20's I was single digit body fat and 195-205 at 5'10.5". Even recently I did a whole transformation in a few months. My diet didn't need to change much at all and I didn't stop drinking.

good for you that weight loss comes that easy for you. you have more experience with steroids (test) than I do.

Cardio doesn't do much for me versus weights, but I can diet and I don't shed weight properly...if I diet too much I start to get sick (I never get sick otherwise).

As far as dropping weight I don't think many could have done what I have done, 86lbs in 90 days once.

dropping weight, nope, not many can do that. We all have varying difficulties with things, but I doubt many will just quit the booze and lose significant weight... Which makes my posts even more relevant to the discussion. You have decent genetics if you are able to do that, which begs the question, if it's so easy for you why don't you look better than you do?

 

[alkemyst]

dropping weight, nope, not many can do that. We all have varying difficulties with things, but I doubt many will just quit the booze and lose significant weight... Which makes my posts even more relevant to the discussion. You have decent genetics if you are able to do that, which begs the question, if it's so easy for you why don't you look better than you do?

My muscles get strong not bulky. Also in the last 10+ years I am just on interested in spending more than a few days a week in the gym.

Lately I have been on a hiatus, but it's always like 3-4 months back in the gym and I am back in shape.

 

[drbrock]

I realize diet is important. weekend calories are brutal for me. It def brings my weekly average up.

As far as strength training only, I have tried that route and I only get bulky. I agree with you that running or general hiking does not get the job done entirely. That is why I was going to do the boxing or golds mixed in with some of the cardio classes.

 

[z1ggy]

I realize diet is important. weekend calories are brutal for me. It def brings my weekly average up.

As far as strength training only, I have tried that route and I only get bulky. I agree with you that running or general hiking does not get the job done entirely. That is why I was going to do the boxing or golds mixed in with some of the cardio classes.

Just FYI, I recently lost 7lb with out doing traditional "cardio", ie on treadmill/elliptical. 7lb isn't much obviously, but I wasn't really fat to begin with. Got down to about 15% body fat, then I took a week off for Tday, and am back at it now. Cardio might help accelerate things a little bit, but I'd say you really don't need to do more than 500-700cals worth of cardio burning a week. "Burn" cals by eating less and strength training. Also, a user here Koing lost about 15lb of fat with out doing cardio. He has a thread here on it, complete with diet, lifts, and pictures as proof. Another user, DavidPaul(some other stuff at the end of name) did the same thing. He lost about 60lb, no cardio, all lifting and diet. Pics and proof there, too.

Looks like you'll be going to Golds. Sucks you have to pay $50 though.

 

[drbrock]

haha lifting it is. Oh well, saving money over the boxing classes I guess. It does suck that it is 50 bucks.

Elliptical/treadmill was never an option for me. That type of cardio won't happen for me. Would much rather get out on the mountain bike and get the heart pumping.

 

[z1ggy]

Yeah I mainly don't do traditional cardio because I find that it's just terribly boring, not fun at all, and really doesn't help you burn fat all that much. It's really only a need when you're extremely lean already and looking to really get ripped. That's currently not the stage I am at yet.

I play ice hockey for my fun "cardio" and still burn calories. The common theme among anybody in here, or out in the real world who loses fat is diet. You won't see anybody claiming they ate like trash but managed to get a very nice looking body. If they do, they are lying, or maybe a pro athlete.

Count & track your calories/macro's daily, for at least 2-3 weeks to establish a baseline. Weigh in everyday. Form an average and track it weekly so you know you are making progress. Try your best on weekends to stick to the week day diet, but if u do stray, record it and try to eat less some place else.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah I mainly don't do traditional cardio because I find that it's just terribly boring, not fun at all, and really doesn't help you burn fat all that much. It's really only a need when you're extremely lean already and looking to really get ripped. That's currently not the stage I am at yet.

I play ice hockey for my fun "cardio" and still burn calories. The common theme among anybody in here, or out in the real world who loses fat is diet. You won't see anybody claiming they ate like trash but managed to get a very nice looking body. If they do, they are lying, or maybe a pro athlete.

Count & track your calories/macro's daily, for at least 2-3 weeks to establish a baseline. Weigh in everyday. Form an average and track it weekly so you know you are making progress. Try your best on weekends to stick to the week day diet, but if u do stray, record it and try to eat less some place else.

In my teens and through my early 20's, me and many of my friends could eat trashy as long as we kept up with training. The only time diet was a factor was if someone was going on stage to compete or needing to hit a weight class.

It gets harder to eat like trash and still carry really good aesthetics past one's 30's. Most can get by keeping it strict most of the week and leaving the weekend only for cheats.

 

[Zivic]

Most can get by keeping it strict most of the week and leaving the weekend only for cheats.

This is an exaggeration at best. I go to a lot of gyms, been to a lot of gyms.... not that many people have decent builds/aesthetics. Even if I lower my standards. My main gym has 1300+ members. There are about 5 that have decent builds. one of them eats captain crunch and gas station tacos daily and has a very impressive build, but to say that's anywhere close to common is just not true.... if you only want to keep your gut from overflowing your pants and covering your manhood, then, I might agree with you.

 

[z1ggy]

In my teens and through my early 20's, me and many of my friends could eat trashy as long as we kept up with training. The only time diet was a factor was if someone was going on stage to compete or needing to hit a weight class.

It gets harder to eat like trash and still carry really good aesthetics past one's 30's. Most can get by keeping it strict most of the week and leaving the weekend only for cheats.

Based on your ability to remain pretty muscular into your 40's, I'd say your genetics has some roll in that. When I was in college, I was definitely more "ripped" than I was now. Of course, I was playing rugby (and running 10+ miles a week),lifting only a little bit and eating like a mad man. I was younger, doing tons of exercise and had a better metabolism.

Now at age 26, I'm less lean, but more muscular overall. I also eat better, but my metabolism is slower. Sure, at age 20, you can probably be pretty loose with diet, as long as you are running around like a (typical) college kid, and not hiding in your room like a troll.

Once you're past that stage though, diet does matter a lot unless your just genetically gifted. For me, after being strict and having more success, I've determined that's what I need to do. All I, and other folks need is time, and consistency.

 

[alkemyst]

This is an exaggeration at best. I go to a lot of gyms, been to a lot of gyms.... not that many people have decent builds/aesthetics. Even if I lower my standards. My main gym has 1300+ members. There are about 5 that have decent builds. one of them eats captain crunch and gas station tacos daily and has a very impressive build, but to say that's anywhere close to common is just not true.... if you only want to keep your gut from overflowing your pants and covering your manhood, then, I might agree with you.

Many gyms have 100's and 1000's of members, most people only see the same handful and let's face it most members don't even show up.

You seem to only accept what would be a competing bodybuilder's physique as adequate and most people esp. women don't find that aesthetic at all.

Most told me I look way better in the low double digit bodyfat than mid single digit. Today I really can't dip down that low unless I kill myself.

Most people want to be fat-free and have clothes fit them nicely. They don't want to be a gorilla.

January, same jeans as in November below

My diet didn't change much from the above picture...I was still drinking about 24-36 beers a weekend and now adding a few protein shakes in the mix.

November Early, around my 3rd month

A month later, Thanksgiving and Christmas parties covered

December Late

I think many 40 year old's would say this is pretty good shape. I am not a 'body builder' looking guy here, but I was strong (100lb+ dumbbell inclines, 250lb+ squats, rowing 120lb+ dumbbells for rows. None of those maxes, just my 6-10 rep stuff).

I was in the gym five days a week.

 

[alkemyst]

Based on your ability to remain pretty muscular into your 40's, I'd say your genetics has some roll in that. When I was in college, I was definitely more "ripped" than I was now. Of course, I was playing rugby (and running 10+ miles a week),lifting only a little bit and eating like a mad man. I was younger, doing tons of exercise and had a better metabolism.

Now at age 26, I'm less lean, but more muscular overall. I also eat better, but my metabolism is slower. Sure, at age 20, you can probably be pretty loose with diet, as long as you are running around like a (typical) college kid, and not hiding in your room like a troll.

Once you're past that stage though, diet does matter a lot unless your just genetically gifted. For me, after being strict and having more success, I've determined that's what I need to do. All I, and other folks need is time, and consistency.

I think my genetics were against me. I was skinny and ectomorphic as hell...I started training around 11 or 12 (early middle school) when I was over the punks picking on me since I was in gifted classes and my parents owned the largest model of home in our neighborhood (along with many other kids that had parents that did). We had a pretty split neighborhood with one side of it (separately by a large park) being crappy, pre-fabricated homes housing pretty much criminals and then the other side upper middle class.

My dad had a Craftsman set in his garage collecting dust, dead lizards and spiderwebs. I think it had 2 25's, 4 10's, 4 5's, 4 2.5 lbs plates. It had a 35lb short standard bar. I started using them daily, I was already in sports (baseball, soccer) but began being more competitive and adding in flag football and playing in pick up football games at the park. I was into computers then, but that was a rainy day and night thing. If it was daylight I was usually outside somewhere.

By high school I had added tackle football (started Varsity as a freshman and that lead to some growth related injuries in my tendons), wrestling and martial arts (competitive).

I put on a lot of size and muscle and I do believe if you build a good foundation it sticks with you and why I know when a lot of guys that 'talk about back in the day benching 400lbs for reps' are full of crap.

 

[Zivic]

Many gyms have 100's and 1000's of members, most people only see the same handful and let's face it most members don't even show up.

You seem to only accept what would be a competing bodybuilder's physique as adequate and most people esp. women don't find that aesthetic at all.

I have been in and out of gyms for 20 yrs... I have a pretty decent idea of what people look like that workout. I know what takes actual commitment vs just dropping the booze and that is what I accept as a decent build. I want to look good/impressive, not in relation to the general population, but among those that actually train

Most told me I look way better in the low double digit bodyfat than mid single digit. Today I really can't dip down that low unless I kill myself.
how much water does a comment from someone that really doesn't know anything about training hold?

Most people want to be fat-free and have clothes fit them nicely. They don't want to be a gorilla.
Naturally, you won't become a "gorilla"... you just won't.... and what is "fat-free"? People have no idea what is big, what is fat, what is healthy, what is you-name-it. Even if one could become a gorilla, we all have to go down the same path -> lose fat, gain muscle. I just chose to gain more muscle than most will. People are so stupid that they think they follow my plan/diet they will magically become "too big" in a few days/weeks


December Late

I think many 40 year old's would say this is pretty good shape. I am not a 'body builder' looking guy here, but I was strong (100lb+ dumbbell inclines, 250lb+ squats, rowing 120lb+ dumbbells for rows. None of those maxes, just my 6-10 rep stuff).

I was in the gym five days a week.

just because you might look good in relation the general population doesn't mean you look good... because you only smoke a pack a day vs your buddy smoking two, doesn't make you healthy.

The only way your last pic looks decent is in comparison to the first. On it's own it isn't impressive. I'd hardly call you a monster and just looking at you, I wouldn't even think you lifted more than a couple times a week; but that's just my opinion...

The only comparison I really care about is with myself. I want to be the best I can be. yeah, I still compare myself to others, but not compared to people only 35+, but to anyone I see with a decent build.

we can go round and round. it's clear you have lower standards than I do, and like your alcohol.... if you really drank 3 dozen beers a weekend, maybe an AA meeting is a better place for you than the gym; but I'm not judging

 

[alkemyst]

just because you might look good in relation the general population doesn't mean you look good... because you only smoke a pack a day vs your buddy smoking two, doesn't make you healthy.

The only way your last pic looks decent is in comparison to the first. On it's own it isn't impressive. I'd hardly call you a monster and just looking at you, I wouldn't even think you lifted more than a couple times a week; but that's just my opinion...

The only comparison I really care about is with myself. I want to be the best I can be. yeah, I still compare myself to others, but not compared to people only 35+, but to anyone I see with a decent build.

we can go round and round. it's clear you have lower standards than I do, and like your alcohol.... if you really drank 3 dozen beers a weekend, maybe an AA meeting is a better place for you than the gym; but I'm not judging

That was only about 4 months back into the gym after blowing out a shoulder that took me 2 years to get treated for.

You are playing an elitist and being that you have recommended steroids in the past, I find you may be still using them to keep up. The most I have done was TRT and I wasn't happy that I still had lower (but normal T levels) than when I was in my late teens.

I took a single shot a week. My results weren't much different than my previous ones prior to the shoulder injury.

This is a picture of me at right about 31 (2002):

It was just snapped off by a girl friend and a bit over exposed. If she was standing next to me I'd look way bigger than I do in that shot. I don't get very bulky, but I get very cut/ripped.

 

[smackababy]

brock, if your goal is to lose weight, focus on diet first. Add some resistance training (meaning likely the Gold's option) so you don't lose muscle while losing weight, or at least, don't lose as much muscle. Once you've gotten to a weight you are comfortable with, you can reassess your goals and perhaps join the boxing club instead.

Also, alky, this thread is certainly not about you, so we don't need pictures from 10+ years ago of you. Thanks.

 

[alkemyst]

brock, if your goal is to lose weight, focus on diet first. Add some resistance training (meaning likely the Gold's option) so you don't lose muscle while losing weight, or at least, don't lose as much muscle. Once you've gotten to a weight you are comfortable with, you can reassess your goals and perhaps join the boxing club instead.

Also, alky, this thread is certainly not about you, so we don't need pictures from 10+ years ago of you. Thanks.

I understand weight loss and simple dieting does really nothing for me. My thyroid, blood work, hormones can all be perfect and if I don't train I get to about 230-240 which is overweight and it's almost always all in my abs.

They have done many tests and they really can't explain. I can eat healthy and start cutting calories.

What happens though instead of losing weight, I start getting sick (I never get sick).

I go back to a gym and change nothing and shed that weight and get to around 180-190lbs pretty quickly in decent shape. I usually will just hover there as I get stronger and leaner.

While diet is important for health, it's not always the answer to lose weight for everyone.

 

[Zivic]

Alke... Show me where I recommended taking steroids.

 

[smackababy]

They have done many tests and they really can't explain.

You're right. They can't explain why the body of alkemyst defies the laws of physics. Clearly, you're some kind of celestial being who gains weight while consuming less calories than your body requires to function.

 

[z1ggy]

You're right. They can't explain why the body of alkemyst defies the laws of physics. Clearly, you're some kind of celestial being who gains weight while consuming less calories than your body requires to function.

loller'ed at that one.