Tips, YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO THEM!

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p0ntif

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Just to add my experience in a similar service industry job as a bellman, we came to expect tips as well. I worked for a very large luxury hotel and tips were not hard to come by at all. WE ALWAYS gave good service and EXPECTED tips accordingly. Typically, we had several conferences every week, all week long. There were always busy rush periods where we would be bussing bags to rooms, stowing luggage, and just generally being helpful. When someone stiffed us, it was annoying simply because there were several other people waiting to be helped who would have tipped us if we helped them first. So that was frustrating. And, in retrospect, this may have led us to create a self-fulfilling prophecy in that we always went for the guests with the nice luxury cars or the expensive luggage first because we knew they would tip us, and tips us well. By letting other, not so flashy guests wait while the others got taken care of first, we may have created a scenario where we wouldn't get very good tips from the people who we assumed wouldn't give us very good tips (i.e. the self-fulfilling prophecy).

Anyhow, I loved that job. Admitedly on paper we got paid $4.25/hour . . . but I have never had to work so little for so much. But yeah, it was expected . . . I never damaged anyone's luggage, but if you were staying with us and weren't a tipper, you certainly were last on the priority list. We were much too busy to waste our time on something like that when there was so much else to be done. Note that this discrimination was not done OBVIOUSLY, as these were only during really busy times, and we did get to everyone, just in our own order . . .

And yes, while we may not have been ENTITLED to these tips, we certainly became accostumed to them such that it was unwritten rule that each bag was a certain dollar amount, and to go less than that was insulting. To go over that amount did indeed reflect good service :) Maybe we shouldn't have gotten used to it, but as hossenheffer put it, you just do, and you feel slighted when you don't get it.

To relay a related experience with this rule in action, I remember one night hanging out in the hotel lobby chatting it up when this beat-up station wagon pulled up with this lady dressed up like Mrs. Brady (note that they year is 2000). I trudge out there, knowing full well I won't get tipped (women tend to be the worst tippers, and Intoxicated men with women tend to be the best), but I put my chin up and gave her just as great of service as anyone else since it was my job (and there were not any more enticing opportunities at the time). I loaded her luggage up, waited for her to check in, and then brought her stuff up to her room, showed her how the electronic locks worked (she was confused by this for some reason) and then went on my merry way. Well to my surprise she hunted me down 15 minutes later in the lobby and said she forgot to tip me! 'Oh!" I said surprised as she dropped 2 quarters in my hand, smiled, turned and left. My fellow bellman and I got a good laugh out of it at least :p
 

OutHouse

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If you want tips to work right we need to use them the way they are intended

TIPS= TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE

TIP your waitstaff before your meal or what ever and see if you get better or service above and beyond.
 
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I am amazed this vacuous thread was originated by an Elite member. Not only has this issue been argued over before, it is no likelier to be resolved than the abortion debate or the Israelis vs. the Palestinians.

Also, the relevant words are spelled "you're," "waitresses," "dastardly," "luggage," and "etc."
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
one could also argue that you're not doing anything by stiffing them

this was discussed in some 160+ reply topic awhile back ^_^
Nope, 282 replies :)

Anyhow, I always tip very generously for good service but you can do whatever you want with tips...the system has a way of fixing itself (w00t! Go econ! ;))

 

DaiShan

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Originally posted by: Citrix
If you want tips to work right we need to use them the way they are intended

TIPS= TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE

TIP your waitstaff before your meal or what ever and see if you get better or service above and beyond.


Lay down the glass pipe... You are saying I should give away money for no reason at all? That maybe if I give before hand they might work harder? Does anyone else see the parallelism between this idea and welfare? How many people have you heard that would take free money before hand then do extra work? If they all expect tips before hand, then that becomes the norm, and to go above and beyond for you, they would expect more money that usual. Besides what if I give them the tip and the do a crappy job? I am out that money, there is no incentive for them to work any harder if they get the money up front. They must work for it.
 

LeStEr

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I think for jobs where tips are tipically given then people can expect tips BUT if they dont get one they do NOT have the right to do anything to harm or get back at the person who did not tip them.
 

Pacfanweb

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<<One could argue that they choose the job...>>

One could also argue that they chose the job KNOWING that most of the income comes from tips. Many restaurants pay like 2 bucks and hour. Anyone with any brains at all knows that waiters/waitresses don't rely on their salary for income.......they rely on tips.
With that in mind, they should try and do a good job every time; if they do, they should EXPECT a tip. That's part of the meal's price.
Do you stiff them if the cook screws up your steak? I don't think so. I would expect a discount, but as long as the server handles it appropriately, they're still entitled to a good tip.

Think of it this way: Do you do your job 100% perfect EVERY DAY? Of course not. But your employer doesn't dock your pay if you have a bad morning.

 

olds

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Typically, we had several conferences every week, all week long.

I work for a State agency and go to many conferences/meetings. We are not reimbursed for tips and many of my fellow travelers won't tip. I still tip but I resent the fact that it's coming out of my pocket when my employeer requires me to be there.
 

gopunk

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i work in tech support, and believe i should be entitled to tips for the work i do. and if i don't get them, can i go ahead and f*ck with your account?
 

p0ntif

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Anyone with any brains at all knows that waiters/waitresses don't rely on their salary for income.......they rely on tips.
With that in mind, they should try and do a good job every time; if they do, they should EXPECT a tip.
Think of it this way: Do you do your job 100% perfect EVERY DAY? Of course not. But your employer doesn't dock your pay if you have a bad morning.


I completely agree with you. When i worked as a Bellman, I did my job at 100% everyday and we did well for getting paid $4.25/hour . . .we usually made ~$125 a night in tips alone . . . more during certain conventions. But honestly, this was the best 'no-training' entry-level job i've ever had, we took pride in our work, and came home happy every night :) I don't know what other tipping positions are like as this is the only one i've ever had . . .but i loved it. The tips provided a great incentive to be outgoing and helpful :)

 

Jumpem

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Turkey22, here in New York most waiters/waitresses get paid exactly $2.90 an hour. They need tips just to bring them up to minimum wage. That being said, if they do an unsatissfactory job they won't be getting a tip from me. I also HATE when places add 15% gratuity onto the bill! Is it illegal to cross that off and only leave money for the food when you leave?
 

Thegonagle

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These tipping threads strike a chord. I'd rather not see them, because I always feel the need to write a reply.

At one of my current jobs, I earn tips. That's right, I earn them. The wages aren't crap, in most cases it's minimum wage or less. I know I'm not entitled to tips, but I'm not a part of the restaurant biz because some cheap restaurant owner pays me well. It's totally up to me to do a good job, to increase the money I take home, each customer, every day. Why should I want to work hard for one person who won't tip when there's someone else who will? I'm only looking out for #1 here. I'm worth it. You personally insult me when you don't tip me for my service. How do you like being insulted? It makes you kind of mad, doesn't it? All I'm going to say is that some people have a tendency to do bad things when they are mad. Lucky for some folks, I'm not one of those people.
 

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Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: p0ntif
To relay a related experience with this rule in action, I remember one night hanging out in the hotel lobby chatting it up when this beat-up station wagon pulled up with this lady dressed up like Mrs. Brady (note that they year is 2000). I trudge out there, knowing full well I won't get tipped (women tend to be the worst tippers, and Intoxicated men with women tend to be the best), but I put my chin up and gave her just as great of service as anyone else since it was my job (and there were not any more enticing opportunities at the time). I loaded her luggage up, waited for her to check in, and then brought her stuff up to her room, showed her how the electronic locks worked (she was confused by this for some reason) and then went on my merry way. Well to my surprise she hunted me down 15 minutes later in the lobby and said she forgot to tip me! 'Oh!" I said surprised as she dropped 2 quarters in my hand, smiled, turned and left. My fellow bellman and I got a good laugh out of it at least :p

LOL! Hey, it was a fifty cent raise!
 

pyonir

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yahoo! another tip thread!
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narzy

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Originally posted by: jjones
Im not saying tipping is a bad thing, just not to "expect" tips.
Actually, tips are expected. It's part of how the service industry works. They could just charge you and put it on your bill as is the case generally with groups but that's not how the system works. Grow up, get a clue, and quit being so cheap. If you have a problem, have the balls to take it up with the person it's with or the management.
go over to the UK and tell me that...
 

Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: narzy go over to the UK and tell me that...
What's your point? We were talking about the US. Go to different parts of the world and you'll see lots of things being done differently.
 
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Narzy,

You sound like you EXPECT good service.

I would be interested in know what you consider good service to be? I mean are you looking for your waiter to best friend for an hour, or to flirt with you, or otherwise kiss your ass?

If you eat out, you are agreeing to pay for someone to cook, serve, and clean up after you. If the service is minimal, then feel free to tip less. But you shouldn't expect perfect service all the time. Especially from a wait person who you have stiffed in the past.

 

Lucky

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Turkey22, here in New York most waiters/waitresses get paid exactly $2.90 an hour. They need tips just to bring them up to minimum wage


and as has been said, minimum wage laws require an employer to make up the difference if they tip out with less than the equivilant of min. wag.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: narzy
damnit this bugs the crap out of me here, I always read how watresses or waiters will spit in your food, or other dasterdly things, how bellhops will drag your lugage throw it around ect. if you don't tip them. now I have always been good about tipping but I have with held tips from bad service. so here is a newsflash for all them there people in the service industry YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO TIPS! they should not be "expected" every time you serve joe blow, thats what you get WAGES for. so if you have ever spit, peed in, not washed your hands, in foods, thrown around lugage, destroyed property that wasn't yours. GO TO HELL! SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT!

Well said.

nik
 

Lucky

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I would be interested in know what you consider good service to be?

Im not narzy but I expect when I go out:

  • To be greeted within 2-3 minutes after being seated by the hostess
  • Once greeted, I expect to be asked what to drink. Those drinks, especially if they are not mixed alcoholic (take longer to make) should be brought out in the next 3-4 minutes.
  • I expect a waitress to get my order right AND make sure the cook didnt mess it up. I frequently order burgers plain, and explicity say "no lettuce, no tomato", etc. Yes 50% of the time I still get these. If I order a diet coke, I want a DIET coke, not a regular one.
  • I expect a waiter/waitress to visit my table frequenty enough to ensure I dont have to get up and walk around looking for him/her just to get a drink refilled or get more ketchup, etc.
  • If the food is delayed, just LET ME KNOW! Dont avoid my table like the plague and leave me wondering WTF is going on. Telling me "Oh, Im the only one working today so thats why its delayed." DOES NOT CUT IT. YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT BEFOREHAND, in case I have a schedule to keep or a movie to watch (and therefore could leave beforehand).

Beyond that, I dont ask for too much for. And I really dont think my demands of a waitstaff are too extreme. If you can do all of the above, and the food is not clearly substandard, then I will give 15-20%. Its not hard to understand.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
RaR okay so maybe we aren't entitled to tips but if we do a good job to you feel better stiffing us? i mean when i do a crappy job and people don't tip me that's fine, perfectly acceptable but when i bust my ass off and go out of my way to make you happy, hey a little something in return would be nice :frown:

People with your mindset really piss me off. I bust my ass doing my job as well and I can't get tips. You don't deserve them, no matter what you do. That's why it's called a TIP. I work my ass off to make the customer happy, and even break the rules to do it, if necessary. I don't get tips. I don't deserve tips. It's my JOB to make the customer happy, and that's what I get paid for. Your job isn't to simply serve their order, it's also customer service. You get paid for it. If the customer has the cash, has the patience, or hasn't had a bad day, they might tip you. You should be greatful that you FSCKING GET TIPS for the work you do. My job is a sh!tload more stressful than yours. If anyone deserves it between the two of us, it's me. So STFU, bitch.

nik