Tipping small amount above included (large party) gratuity, insulting?

[jchu14]

I should know better than starting a tipping thread in ATOT, but I want you guys' opinions. If you are/were a waitress/waiter, even better.

I was in a party of 8, so there was an 18% gratuity on the bill, my check came out to(approximately)

subtotal: 23.00
included gratuidity: 3.12
additional gratuity: ____

TOTAL :

I have the habit of rounding up to the next dollar on my bills (no particular reason, just a habit). So I added $0.82 in additional gratuity to make an even $27. One of my friend told me that by adding such a small tip over included, I am actually implying that the service was not good, and that's not my intention. And she said that I'd better off tiping another dollar, or not add addtional tip at all. My friend is a waitress, so I think she may be right, but it makes no sense to me.

In my mind, if I really wanted to say that my service was not good, I would've crossed out the included gratuity and added a penny. By adding an additional $0.82, I am either saying that the service was equal or better than 18% worth. But then I am not a waiter/waitress.

What do you guys think?

 

[Adrenaline]

When in big parties, I tip more if they did a good job. How much more should be irrelevent and not looked down upon. I have no idea how more money could be a bad thing. I have had friends and roommates in the past that were waiters/waitresses and never heard of what your friend said.

 

[waggy]

i think a $4 tip is good for a $23 bill

 

[darkswordsman17]

The problem is, you're not thinking like a waiter. To them, the standard party gratuity isn't a tip at all. At least that's the impression I get, but they seem to have a completely skewed (and plenty of times have math worked out in their mind that is literally bullshit) way of reasoning.

So, more or less, tip big or not at all seems to be the way to do things, as if you're going to insult them might as well get your money's worth there (by not tipping at all).

If you want them to understand your reasoning just write on the paper that you felt their service was the $4.00, not the $0.88 that you added as additional.

Or you could just add the extra dollar your friend suggested. That's 20-25% tip, so not terribly outlandish.

 

[Terabyte]

With that in mind, I don't tip extra if I'm forced to pay a "gratuity"

 

[Kelemvor]

If a place adds in a tip automatically, then I don't pay a cent over that. They are telling me that that's all they want so then that's all they get.

If they don't add it in and the service is great, then I'd probably give them more than what they billed me for anyway. Their loss.

 

[aceO07]

I don't fill in the tip line. I just fill in the total line with the tip included.

I've noticed a few places have started doing 16% suggestions.

 

[Onita]

If a tip is added, that is all they get.

 

[jhu]

With that in mind, I don't tip extra if I'm forced to pay a "gratuity"

This.

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[nick1985]

Depends on the service

 

[JS80]

Was the $23 your portion or the total bill?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Why would you have to pay extra for a large group?!

If you have 2 tables of 4 people, each table pays x amout of tip. But if you join those two tables together all of a sudden it's worthy or a larger tip????

Its the same amount of people and work.

We dont tip in Australia so maybe there is a angle here I'm not getting.

 

[jchu14]

The problem is, you're not thinking like a waiter. To them, the standard party gratuity isn't a tip at all. At least that's the impression I get, but they seem to have a completely skewed (and plenty of times have math worked out in their mind that is literally bullshit) way of reasoning.

That's the impression I get from my friend.

Was the $23 your portion or the total bill?

That's my portion.

 

[Kelemvor]

Why would you have to pay extra for a large group?!

If you have 2 tables of 4 people, each table pays x amout of tip. But if you join those two tables together all of a sudden it's worthy or a larger tip????

Its the same amount of people and work.

We dont tip in Australia so maybe there is a angle here I'm not getting.

I have no idea why this is but it's standard practice for large groups. I guess they think that there's a chance people won't tip as much since everything gets added together. Really retarded for most people but there are a lot of people out there who don't tip at all so I can see why they do it.

 

[JS80]

18% is way too much to begin with.

 

[dbk]

It's because waiters work for less than minimum wage in the US. How are waiters paid overseas?

 

[Sho'Nuff]

18% is fine. If the restaurant has the audacity to include the gratuity for me, the waiter/waitress doesn't get a cent more than what they put on the check.

 

[lurk3r]

Yer fine, so many douche nuggets think they can walk from tipping when they are in large groups, so I am never offended when they include the tip on the bill, it makes it easier to beat the moron deadbeats in the group into actually paying their share.

$4 is fine on $23, that's basically where I tip for decent service (nearly 20&#37. If you cannot afford to tip appropriately keep your cheap ass home. Waiters here make $2 an hour plus tips, horrible service deserves ridicule, mustard faces drawn on the table, and no tips, but for decent service throw the 15% down.

 

[JS80]

It's because waiters work for less than minimum wage in the US. How are waiters paid overseas?

California waiters are paid min wage

 

[Adrenaline]

It's because waiters work for less than minimum wage in the US. How are waiters paid overseas?

Overseas they are paid decently and you are not allowed to tip in other countries from what I have heard.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Overseas they are paid decently and you are not allowed to tip in other countries from what I have heard.

There's no law against tipping.

 

[angminas]

Why punish the waiter for the restaurant's policy? Do you people not realize that the waiters don't make the gratuity rules? That's like lowering your tips if you don't like the color of their uniforms.

The real audacity is when people skip out on tipping when the service was good. And you seriously think the gratuity is all they want? Some of you people need to stop thinking you understand the situation, because you don't.

 

[Xylitol]

If a tip is added, that is all they get.

exactly how i feel. i often find that when a mandatory tip is put in place, that the service isn't as great. granted, it may be because it's harder for 1 waiter to serve a large group, but regardless, he/she should be trying harder than normal then.

i was especially insulted when my friends and i went to a burger joint and it said "parties of 8+ will be charged a 20% tip." We were a group of 7, but the waitress still put a 20%. greedy ass if you ask me.

 

[eits]

i circle the included gratuity, then i add the additional gratuity on the line. that way, i don't make the server think that i thought they did a crappy job and that i didn't already notice the included gratuity.

my gf's a server and i used to be a server, too.

what's worse is when someone was really digging your service and then accidentally pays way less in cash than the bill... for example, my gf served this couple one night and they were really enjoying her service... the bill was $40 or something... the guy left $30 (a $20 and a $10) in the book and told "keep the change, darlin. thanks for a great night." by the time she checked her book and realized guy made a mistake, he was already gone. we assume he thought the $20 was a $50, which would have made his intended paid amount $60.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

I've heard so many stupid tipping rules that it's ridiculous. I tip 15-25% depending on the service and how large the bill is. If the bill is $7, I don't mind laying down a $10 and leaving.

I left 3 quarters on a table once, and a friend flipped out and took it off and said it was insulting. Bitch please, if a waiter is insulted by me giving him money he can jump off the nearest cliff. Oh sorry, did 20.50% insult you? Next time I'll leave 18.9873%. I don't care if somebody finds it insulting, I'm giving them money.