Tipping small amount above included (large party) gratuity, insulting?

[angminas]

As per the OP, I think I would recommend adding the extra dollar. You'll never notice the difference between $0.82 and $1.82, but it would probably make a difference in how another human being feels. To me, that's worth a dollar.

But in reality, cranking it to the next level- if I personally were spending $23 on my own bill and the service was at least decent, I'd just leave $30 (at least). Spend a few extra dollars and make someone's day. Someone who could probably really use a lift after dealing with a bunch of Mr. Pinks all week long.

Which would you rather happen to you- someone leaves you a fair tip, or someone leaves you an awesome tip? And it's just about that simple for me. If you can drop that much on a single meal (several days' wages to much of the world), you can afford to tip like a madman, and I personally would need a VERY good reason not to.

This world needs more generous people a lot more than it needs more gram shavers.

 

[Ancalagon44]

If a waiter is insulted by an extra $0.82, then he can jump off a bridge. I dont consider leaving small change insulting, although I do avoid leaving anything less than R1 coins (equivalent to probably $0.12).

None of my friends are anal about tipping, thank goodness.

 

[shortylickens]

I hate mandatory tipping.
If I see one on the bill, thats all they get. No more.
Fuck them.
They should have let me choose my own gratuity. Without force it probably would have been larger anyway.

For reference: If I dont like a restaurants pricing system, I dont go back.

 

[waggy]

As per the OP, I think I would recommend adding the extra dollar. You'll never notice the difference between $0.82 and $1.82, but it would probably make a difference in how another human being feels. To me, that's worth a dollar.

But in reality, cranking it to the next level- if I personally were spending $23 on my own bill and the service was at least decent, I'd just leave $30 (at least). Spend a few extra dollars and make someone's day. Someone who could probably really use a lift after dealing with a bunch of Mr. Pinks all week long.

Which would you rather happen to you- someone leaves you a fair tip, or someone leaves you an awesome tip? And it's just about that simple for me. If you can drop that much on a single meal (several days' wages to much of the world), you can afford to tip like a madman, and I personally would need a VERY good reason not to.

This world needs more generous people a lot more than it needs more gram shavers.

pft.

LOL yeah..hahaa

 

[Evadman]

If a tip is added, that is all they get.

this. And 18% is over the nominal 15% for good service, so no problem here.

 

[Garet Jax]

Why would you have to pay extra for a large group?!

If you have 2 tables of 4 people, each table pays x amout of tip. But if you join those two tables together all of a sudden it's worthy or a larger tip????

Its the same amount of people and work.

We don't tip in Australia so maybe there is a angle here I'm not getting.

It's because when you have a large group, people tend to think that others will pay for their tip and tax. If everyone does that, then the server is barely stuck with enough to cover the bill let alone enough for a tip.

 

[rivan]

If a place adds in a tip automatically, then I don't pay a cent over that. They are telling me that that's all they want so then that's all they get.

If they don't add it in and the service is great, then I'd probably give them more than what they billed me for anyway. Their loss.

This, exactly.

 

[SR1729]

Yer fine, so many douche nuggets think they can walk from tipping when they are in large groups, so I am never offended when they include the tip on the bill, it makes it easier to beat the moron deadbeats in the group into actually paying their share.

I used to be in the "if they're forcing x% tip out of me, that's all they're getting" camp. Then I met my cheapskate piece of shit brother in law.

This asshole will take the hamburger buns he was asked to supply at a family BBQ back home with him.

He and his wife (whom he converted to utter cheapness at the altar) stiff every server they ever meet, and are too stupid to be ashamed of it.

So yeah, after dining with them on a couple family vacations over the years, I fully support an automatic 18% gratuity. Hell, I support an automatic gratuity on ANY bill. If you receive poor service, then cross it off the bill and speak to the manager about it... but you're not weaseling your way out of it because you're a cheap fuck of a human being.

 

[SR1729]

But in reality, cranking it to the next level- if I personally were spending $23 on my own bill and the service was at least decent, I'd just leave $30 (at least). Spend a few extra dollars and make someone's day. Someone who could probably really use a lift after dealing with a bunch of Mr. Pinks all week long.

THIS

I get crap from my wife all the time because I tip too much. If I get a $20 bill for the two of us, I'll tip $5. It cost me a buck or two to make someone's day.

 

[lurk3r]

It's because when you have a large group, people tend to think that others will pay for their tip and tax. If everyone does that, then the server is barely stuck with enough to cover the bill let alone enough for a tip.

I don't actually have that dim a view of most people, I think they are honestly just bad at basic math, forget the tax, do a bad job of adding, and forget that someone has to pay for all the appetizers everyone shared.

There are always horrible people that are the exception, we even had one guy try to join our regular lunch group that wanted bring his own can of soup and order only water ...

 

[Onita]

I used to be in the "if they're forcing x% tip out of me, that's all they're getting" camp. Then I met my cheapskate piece of shit brother in law.

This asshole will take the hamburger buns he was asked to supply at a family BBQ back home with him.

He and his wife (whom he converted to utter cheapness at the altar) stiff every server they ever meet, and are too stupid to be ashamed of it.

So yeah, after dining with them on a couple family vacations over the years, I fully support an automatic 18% gratuity. Hell, I support an automatic gratuity on ANY bill. If you receive poor service, then cross it off the bill and speak to the manager about it... but you're not weaseling your way out of it because you're a cheap fuck of a human being.

gra·tu·i·ty (gr-t-t, -ty-)
n. pl. gra·tu·i·ties
A favor or gift, usually in the form of money, given in return for service.

Sorry, if you want to add in your "gratuity", its no longer a gratuity. Pay your server more and add the prices to your menu. Why should I get poor service AND have to be inconvenienced so I don't overpay?

 

[Deeko]

As others have said - I will not tip extra if they add a gratuity. And unless service was crappy, I tip 20%+, so its their loss. If the server doesn't like it, they can complain to management about it.

 

[SR1729]

gra·tu·i·ty (gr-t-t, -ty-)
n. pl. gra·tu·i·ties
A favor or gift, usually in the form of money, given in return for service.

Sorry, if you want to add in your "gratuity", its no longer a gratuity. Pay your server more and add the prices to your menu. Why should I get poor service AND have to be inconvenienced so I don't overpay?

You obviously have a point - one that I was expecting to hear, in fact.

The problem, however, is that some people use the definition of "gratuity" as a way to save money. At least in America, it's culturally expected of you to pay between 15% and 20% for average-good service. I would be more than happy to be burdened with the inconvenience you speak of if it meant holding those douchebags to some basic cultural standards.

 

[DrunkenSano]

They should just remove the term "tip" or "gratuity" and replace it with staff fee or waiter's fee because it is what it is now. Until restaurant managers stop shafting their waiting staff and their customers, tips are no longer tips but a shaft to the customer to cover part of the staff's wage. Restaurants should be fined heavily for not paying atleast minimum wage.

 

[SR1729]

They should just remove the term "tip" or "gratuity" and replace it with staff fee or waiter's fee because it is what it is now. Until restaurant managers stop shafting their waiting staff and their customers, tips are no longer tips but a shaft to the customer to cover part of the staff's wage. Restaurants should be fined heavily for not paying atleast minimum wage.

I was a busboy and a waiter while in HS and college, and I agree, they get shit on. Unfortunately, they're usually getting hit with shit from both sides. They're getting crap from their manager and they're getting crap from their cheap, pompous customers.

I like the tip system, though. As a customer, it is very empowering. If you get poor service, you can hit them where it hurts most. If you get good service, you can make their day.

 

[Farang]

I think you'd have to be pretty dumb to be insulted by the extra $0.87 and not realize that person was just rounding out the number.

 

[JoeKing]

It's because waiters work for less than minimum wage in the US. How are waiters paid overseas?

in Italy I assume everything is included in the bill. They'll actually look at you a little odd if you leave a few euro at the table. This is outside of the major touristy places of course, places like Venice they expect a tip, from Americans at least.

Further I notice the Italians, and maybe Europe in general, customers are VERY demanding of their servers.

 

[kalrith]

I don't tip extra if I'm forced to pay a "gratuity"

If a place adds in a tip automatically, then I don't pay a cent over that.

If a tip is added, that is all they get.

If the restaurant has the audacity to include the gratuity for me, the waiter/waitress doesn't get a cent more than what they put on the check.

I had mandatory tipping.
If I see one on the bill, thats all they get. No more.

These are the correct responses to manditority gratuity (which is a contradiction in terms).

For the record I typically tip 20-25% for good service, but I don't bother if I'm already "forced" to pay 15-18%.

Edit: IMO, if they're going to make gratuity mandatory anyways, then they should just do away with entire gratuity system, pay their employees a respectable wage, and then factor the extra wages into the cost of the food.

As a nice by-product of that, ATOT would no longer be bombarded with tipping threads that all say basically the same thing

 

[DrunkenSano]

I was a busboy and a waiter while in HS and college, and I agree, they get shit on. Unfortunately, they're usually getting hit with shit from both sides. They're getting crap from their manager and they're getting crap from their cheap, pompous customers.

I like the tip system, though. As a customer, it is very empowering. If you get poor service, you can hit them where it hurts most. If you get good service, you can make their day.

I like the tip system too but only if it's real gratuity, not a cover up to replace illegally wages. The establishment owners need to pay their staff the right amount so that tips aren't mandatory and only given when the staff has given good or exceptional service to the customer. That way, the staff has extra encouragement to perform better instead of what we have now where tip is basically expected and mandatory since the wait staff is being screwed out of wages but their employers.

 

[Nik]

I should know better than starting a tipping thread in ATOT, but I want you guys' opinions. If you are/were a waitress/waiter, even better.

I was in a party of 8, so there was an 18% gratuity on the bill, my check came out to(approximately)

subtotal: 23.00
included gratuidity: 3.12
additional gratuity: ____

TOTAL :

I have the habit of rounding up to the next dollar on my bills (no particular reason, just a habit). So I added $0.82 in additional gratuity to make an even $27. One of my friend told me that by adding such a small tip over included, I am actually implying that the service was not good, and that's not my intention. And she said that I'd better off tiping another dollar, or not add addtional tip at all. My friend is a waitress, so I think she may be right, but it makes no sense to me.

In my mind, if I really wanted to say that my service was not good, I would've crossed out the included gratuity and added a penny. By adding an additional $0.82, I am either saying that the service was equal or better than 18% worth. But then I am not a waiter/waitress.

What do you guys think?

uh, NO? holy shit they're already telling you how much to tip so just write down that amount and be on your way.

 

[Numenorean]

If there is a forced gratuity on a bill, then they will get that and only that and no more.

Usually it's 18%, but if they didn't auto-add that, they would likely get more assuming good service. So it's basically their loss if they want to do that.

 

[rudder]

$23 for 8 people? Was this McDonalds?

$3 for serving 8 people... you are lucky the waiter did not cut you in the parking lot.

 

[Numenorean]

Or if it was horrible service I would write -3.12 on the additional and cancel out the 18% and just put 23.00 as the total.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

money is money. if they want to get offended over extra in their $ thats their problem - and a stupid problem at that. IANAW

 

[JD50]

$23 for 8 people? Was this McDonalds?

$3 for serving 8 people... you are lucky the waiter did not cut you in the parking lot.

the $23 was his portion of the bill.