Tipping on top of tax?

[OCGuy]

They're taxes are higher because the government provides more services...I can't believe I'm actually typing this, you have to be joking...

No...just.....no.

 

[RPD]

Depends. Is the moon full or not, is Pluto still a planet, what was the server's OLD Zodiac sign? Even or odd amount of drinks consumed?

All important information before I can accurately answer this question.

 

[BudAshes]

They get free health care, why bother tipping at all?

 

[zerocool84]

Or how about tip whatever you want instead of needing approval from others to tip? That seems to be the reason why anyone tips anyways so they can do what they think is the socially acceptable thing to do. It's your own money, you don't need to ask others how to spend it.

 

[MotionMan]

At a sit-down restaurant in California, I generally tip double the tax.

In other situations, "[w]ell, I could explain it better, but I'd need charts, and graphs, and an easel."

MotionMan

 

[Juked07]

If 15% of tax brings you from 15% to 20% tip, that's one heck of a sales tax...

 

[Jumpem]

I tip ten percent, and think that is being quite generous. All they are doing is bringing a couple drinks and plates from one side of a room to the other.

And why should the amount of a tip have anything to do with the price of a meal? The waiter is not doing any more work bringing out steak and lobster, than chicken fingers and a burger.

 

[shortylickens]

I vote for auto lock on all tipping threads.
One way or another they go bad. See the Canada reference above. Its already started.

 

[marvdmartian]

Tip whatever you feel is appropriate

/thread

Exactly. I have tipped $0.01 for completely crappy service that deserved a boot in the ass as a tip (never leave no tip, it just makes them think you forgot, and they won't get the message their service sucked).

I have also given 100% tip on a pitcher of drinks ($10 for the booze, $10 tip), when the waitress cracked me up so good that I almost fell out of my chair, laughing (yeah, okay, maybe the booze might have had something to do with that!). Not amazingly, we had excellent service the rest of the night. :awe:

 

[TheStu]

I tip on the after tax amount.

Here is a question, it came up just this weekend, a whole group of us were out eating, about 12-14 in all I think so the check had the 18% gratuity on it. Would you tip on top of that?

When I used to work food service, I didn't get large groups all that often, but they would usually tip on top of it, which to me makes sense. I see the automatic 18% as a sort of annoyance fee, handling a single table of 8 can be more of a hassle than 2 tables of 4, especially if you are on your own (which our server was, reinforcements arrived when the food came out, but otherwise he was the only one on our table).

Thoughts?

 

[shortylickens]

Here is a question, it came up just this weekend, a whole group of us were out eating, about 12-14 in all I think so the check had the 18% gratuity on it. Would you tip on top of that?

When I used to work food service, I didn't get large groups all that often, but they would usually tip on top of it, which to me makes sense. I see the automatic 18% as a sort of annoyance fee, handling a single table of 8 can be more of a hassle than 2 tables of 4, especially if you are on your own (which our server was, reinforcements arrived when the food came out, but otherwise he was the only one on our table).

Thoughts?

HELL FUCKING NO!

If tipping is institutionalized then thats all there fucking is to it. If the waitstaff doenst like 18% then they need to riot and push their boss around to get more.

 

[Jumpem]

I tip on the after tax amount.

Here is a question, it came up just this weekend, a whole group of us were out eating, about 12-14 in all I think so the check had the 18% gratuity on it. Would you tip on top of that?

When I used to work food service, I didn't get large groups all that often, but they would usually tip on top of it, which to me makes sense. I see the automatic 18% as a sort of annoyance fee, handling a single table of 8 can be more of a hassle than 2 tables of 4, especially if you are on your own (which our server was, reinforcements arrived when the food came out, but otherwise he was the only one on our table).

Thoughts?

If I see a check with an automatic gratuity added, I refuse to pay it. Attempting to force me to tip a certain amount is crossing the line.

 

[OCGuy]

If I see a check with an automatic gratuity added, I refuse to pay it. Attempting to force me to tip a certain amount is crossing the line.

Most restaraunts I go to will add it if you have a party over 6. Dont like it, dont eat there.

Being surprised when the bill comes isn't really their fault, unless they dont display it in a conspicuous way.

 

[TheStu]

If I see a check with an automatic gratuity added, I refuse to pay it. Attempting to force me to tip a certain amount is crossing the line.

It is a large group gratuity, almost every restaurant does this.

 

[Jumpem]

It is a large group gratuity, almost every restaurant does this.

And the one time it happened to me I left enough to cover the food only.

 

[DrPizza]

I think it would be more interesting to look at what restaurants do when they "automatically add a tip of 15% to parties of 8 or more." Do they add the tip to the after tax amount, or the before tax amount. Would it be within your right to argue that the tip should be on the food, not a tip on the tax?

 

[TheStu]

I think it would be more interesting to look at what restaurants do when they "automatically add a tip of 15% to parties of 8 or more." Do they add the tip to the after tax amount, or the before tax amount. Would it be within your right to argue that the tip should be on the food, not a tip on the tax?

At this restaurant it was on the food before the tax, I also cannot recall if the tax was on food+gratuity or just food.

 

[Joemonkey]

I usually just tip around 20% of the bill after tax and don't worry about an extra couple bucks...

 

[tokie]

I've never heard of anyone tipping on top of the automatic large-group gratuity. I also don't know if they would calculate it using pre-tax or after-tax. Based on some of the restaurants I went to in NYC, they would calculate the automatic gratuity for large groups based on the after-tax amount. In Toronto I don't think this would be so, but then again I have never checked.

 

[zCypher]

Are you tipping them because of how costly the meal was, or because you're pleased with their service? If the meal was very expensive but the service was terrible, do you feel the waiter is still entitled to a fat tip?

 

[drinkmorejava]

This was never an issue for me until I moved to CA. Half of the places don't even give the pre-tax amount on the tip receipt.

Pretentious assholes.

 

[tokie]

This was never an issue for me until I moved to CA. Half of the places don't even give the pre-tax amount on the tip receipt.

Pretentious assholes.

Is that not illegal to give a receipt without the tax on it? Seems like a way to fleece tourists or people who don't know the tax rate.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I tip on the total because I'm lazy.

 

[RockinZ28]

I tip whatever I feel they are worth, which most of the time isn't much.

I think it's just a vicious cycle. I don't dress up or wear expensive shit ever.

So at a decent restaurant, waiter sees me. Thinks, "Great, this guy isn't tipping for shit."
Proceeds to serve me like shit.
So I tip for shit.

In the event I do get good service despite my appearance, I show it with 20%+, PRE-TAX though lol. I really hate sales tax.

 

[TallBill]

HELL FUCKING NO!

If tipping is institutionalized then thats all there fucking is to it. If the waitstaff doenst like 18% then they need to riot and push their boss around to get more.

Yet about half of the time when I auto-gratuity someone they tip on top of it. I actually don't usually use this feature for large parties where I feel like I'll get a good tip anyways. It's called gambling at my bar because they could choose to stiff you and you've screwed yourself out of money

But I usually get 20% or more after tax from probably 75% of my customers. But we also don't get that many cheap fucks that come into where I work.