Times Of Israel Publishes Op-Ed About 'When Genocide Is Permissible', Then Deletes It

[JEDIYoda]

The numbers say otherwise, that the israelis are killing mainly civilians,90% rate, while Hamas killed militaries on a 95% rate, it makes no doubt that the Hamas is by far the most moral side.

hahahaa...how can an enemy be more moral when it uses the homes and schools and hospitals of the very people it was elected to protect and take care of to store minitions and weapons...even tunnel under those homes??

Either Hamas did all this by force or the Palestinians are totally involved themselves!!

 

[Ichinisan]

I wonder if dead Hamas fighters are typically counted as "civilians." :hmm:

 

[irishScott]

The numbers say otherwise, that the israelis are killing mainly civilians,90% rate, while Hamas killed militaries on a 95% rate, it makes no doubt that the Hamas is by far the most moral side.

Anyway, keep on defending the indefensible, seems that you re forced to fill walls of texts in the pursuit of this desesperate and indeed pathetic task...

And what numbers are those exactly? You're the one quoting them.

Why Hamas numbers are not to be taken at face value:
http://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/

 

[Abwx]

And what numbers are those exactly? You're the one quoting them.

Why Hamas numbers are not to be taken at face value:
http://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/

I got thoses numbers from a french mainstream paper wich has reliable sources in Gaza that stated that more than 80% are civilians.

A french doctor working there said that 50% of the peoples that are brought to the hospital are already dead with half being women and children, this point to casualties being almost only civilians, Hamas fighters are actualy killed at a 1.5 ratio for each israeli soldier killed, and no, they do not use their people as shields, as proved by thge 65 israelis soldiers killed in confrontations with palestinians freedom fighters, the human shield propaganda is the usual cover of the zionists whio are deliberatly targeting civilians and trying to put the blame on the Hamas fighters.

Anyway , the pic talk by themsleves..

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...s-en-ruines-du-nord-de-gaza_4466342_3218.html

 

[JEDIYoda]

I got thoses numbers from a french mainstream paper wich has reliable sources in Gaza that stated that more than 80% are civilians.

A french doctor working there said that 50% of the peoples that are brought to the hospital are already dead with half being women and children, this point to casualties being almost only civilians, Hamas fighters are actualy killed at a 1.5 ratio for each israeli soldier killed, and no, they do not use their people as shields, as proved by thge 65 israelis soldiers killed in confrontations with palestinians freedom fighters, the human shield propaganda is the usual cover of the zionists whio are deliberatly targeting civilians and trying to put the blame on the Hamas fighters.

Your point means nothing...as long as Hamas uses the homes and schools and hospitals of the very people it was elected to protect and take care of to store munitions and weapons...even tunnel under those homes??

Either Hamas did all this by force or the Palestinians are totally involved themselves!!

 

[Abwx]

Your point means nothing...as long as Hamas uses the homes and schools and hospitals of the very people it was elected to protect and take care of to store munitions and weapons...even tunnel under those homes??

Either Hamas did all this by force or the Palestinians are totally involved themselves!!

The tunnel is between your two ears, that is, a real tunnel with nothing between its two ends.

What wouldnt you invent to try to defend your fellows jews that are terrorists and war criminals ruled by a far right and supremacist usurpatory government and state.

2000 palestinians murdered to satisfy your thirst of blood, that s the reality, all the rest is propaganda to justificate, well, your need of blood as a mean to legitimate your land theft...

 

[irishScott]

I got thoses numbers from a french mainstream paper wich has reliable sources in Gaza that stated that more than 80% are civilians.

A french doctor working there said that 50% of the peoples that are brought to the hospital are already dead with half being women and children, this point to casualties being almost only civilians, Hamas fighters are actualy killed at a 1.5 ratio for each israeli soldier killed, and no, they do not use their people as shields, as proved by thge 65 israelis soldiers killed in confrontations with palestinians freedom fighters, the human shield propaganda is the usual cover of the zionists whio are deliberatly targeting civilians and trying to put the blame on the Hamas fighters.

Anyway , the pic talk by themsleves..

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...s-en-ruines-du-nord-de-gaza_4466342_3218.html

So one uncited anecdote is your source, whereas Time quotes multiple sources (including Hamas numbers) if you'd care to step out of your echo chamber for 5 minutes and read it.

Scrutiny of Palestinian figures in the current conflict reveals a spike in fatalities among males ages 21 to 27 and an over-representation from ages 17 to 30. Data gleaned from the daily reports of the PCHR show that from July 8, the start of Israel’s “Operation Protective Edge,” through July 26, 404 out of 915 fatalities tallied from daily reports in which the ages were identified occurred among males ages 17 to 30, comprising 44% of all fatalities among a group representing about 10% of Gazans.

Expanding the age range from 17 to 39 and including those identified as combatants whose ages were not given increases that number to 551 fatalities, or 57% of all fatalities, even though this group represents less than one-sixth of Gazans. By contrast, adult female fatalities were less than 10% of total fatalities for a group that comprises a quarter of the total population.

Children, here defined as those under age 17, represented 194 of fatalities, 20% of the total. Any child fatality is a tragedy, but it is important to note that children make up over half the population of Gaza.

Those numbers are from the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, a Hamas organization based in Gaza. If 50% of the casualties were women and children, you'd think they'd want to show that off. And yes, Hamas does position its supply depots and emplacements near innocents in the hope that they will be accidentally killed and used as propaganda. This has been confirmed beyond any doubt by multiple international sources.

 

[CZroe]

Near, at or close to resulted in the school/shelter being hit and 10 deaths of people in the UN school/shelter. So they bombed a UN school/shelter. End of Discussion.

Or are you saying they were not either aware there was a UN shelter there or not aware how much destruction one of their mortars does?

Once again: read. It does not say that the 10 who died are innocent. Who says they didn't hit their mark? Your assumptions are always laughably biases.

 

[irishScott]

Once again: read. It does not say that the 10 who died are innocent. Who says they didn't hit their mark? Your assumptions are always laughably biases.

Actually it was completely accidental. They were aiming for 3 guys right outside of the school.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28632287

The Israeli military said it had targeted three militants from the Islamic Jihad group on a motorbike near the school, though the group did not report any of it members killed or injured.

Government spokesman Mark Regev said that if militants were turning the vicinities of schools into war zones they should be held accountable.

Collateral damage sucks.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually it was completely accidental. They were aiming for 3 guys right outside of the school.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28632287



Collateral damage sucks.

I like how when they blow up a school it is anyone's fault except for the people who blew up the school.

 

[irishScott]

I like how when they blow up a school it is anyone's fault except for the people who blew up the school.

No, it's their fault. It's still an accident. A lot of people, including people with actual influence, are making it out like Israel intentionally targeted the school.

 

[fskimospy]

No, it's their fault. It's still an accident. A lot of people, including people with actual influence, are making it out like Israel intentionally targeted the school.

No, it was their choice to engage in combat operations in a densely populated civilian area. This sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of that choice. No excuses.

 

[irishScott]

No, it was their choice to engage in combat operations in a densely populated civilian area. This sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of that choice. No excuses.

Yes collateral damage is inevitable in any war, particularly in urban warfare; I'm sure the IDF is well aware of that. That doesn't mean they intend to slaughter civilians or intentionally bombed that school. I don't see the Israelis making any excuses, they're simply explaining their actions. They saw three bad guys, and decided the risk was worth it. In this case they were mistaken or incompetent or just plain unlucky.

War sucks. Innocent people get hit, friendly fire happens, lot of shitty stuff goes on in war. From what I know of the conditions on the ground I don't know of any military that could do much better than the IDF in terms of limiting body count, and I haven't heard any military authority state as such.

 

[CZroe]

I like how when they blow up a school it is anyone's fault except for the people who blew up the school.

And I like how you think, nay, fantasize, that they just wanted to blow up the school. Also, that the school was "blown up" at all. Ugh.

 

[Ichinisan]

No, it was their choice to engage in combat operations in a densely populated civilian area. This sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of that choice. No excuses.

Missiles targeting Israeli citizens are originating from that "densely populated civilian area." Should Israel attack some place where Hamas is not?

 

[Dari]

No, it was their choice to engage in combat operations in a densely populated civilian area. This sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of that choice. No excuses.

Remember that other thread where an ABC reporter rode with a bunch of soldiers in the "Cruel Lady" and the IDF soldiers pretend to be righteous and moral and refuse to target a bunch of militants because the collateral damage would be too high? Propaganda at its finest. But it fooled no one as we can clearly see what happens when no reporter is riding shotgun.

 

[Dari]

Missiles targeting Israeli citizens are originating from that "densely populated civilian area." Should Israel attack some place where Hamas is not?

Well, if they weren't so scared they'd be fighting house to house. But, instead of doing that, they decide to bomb entire neighborhoods hoping to kill one or two militants. To the IDF, so long as they kill one militant, the death of hundreds is A-ok. Ironically, that's exactly how Hamas feels as well.

 

[Dari]

And I like how you think, nay, fantasize, that they just wanted to blow up the school. Also, that the school was "blown up" at all. Ugh.

That's not what he said but you may continue your lies...

 

[Ichinisan]

Well, if they weren't so scared they'd be fighting house to house. But, instead of doing that, they decide to bomb entire neighborhoods hoping to kill one or two militants. To the IDF, so long as they kill one militant, the death of hundreds is A-ok. Ironically, that's exactly how Hamas feels as well.

Israel stops when the missiles stop. Hamas won't stop until Jews are exterminated (including all innocents).

Do you see the difference?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Israel stops when the missiles stop. Hamas won't stop until Jews are exterminated (including all innocents).

Do you see the difference?

Problem is, it's a lie.

 

[Dari]

Israel stops when the missiles stop. Hamas won't stop until Jews are exterminated (including all innocents).

Do you see the difference?

You asked a question and I answered. And, I doubt you know much about Hamas, son. They are as pragmatic as they come when it comes to these organization. I doubt they give a fuck about exterminating Jews. It's nonsense. Also, when Hamas was starting out in 1987 they were actively helped by Israel because, at the time, Israel was in a serious battle war with the PLO so they decided to support the PLO's enemy. See how shortsighted the Israelis are? Now, they're battling the creature they help create.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Al Qaeda came to the West Bank and started fighting the PLA and Hamas, Israel would give them (Al Qaeda) a helping hand. Yes, they're that dumb. This stupid war won't achieve any long-term objectives but they do it anyway.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Well, if they weren't so scared they'd be fighting house to house. But, instead of doing that, they decide to bomb entire neighborhoods hoping to kill one or two militants.

Can you imagine how many civilian casualties there would be if they fought house-to-house?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Problem is, it's a lie.

So, you're saying Hamas is not bent on Israeli genocide in spite of all the evidence to the contrary? It's just a peace-loving group, right?

 

[Dari]

Can you imagine how many civilian casualties there would be if they fought house-to-house?

There'd be a lot more dead Israelis, that's for sure. And a lot less dead civilians because it would be far more even handed. The Israelis tried that in Jenin and it was a disaster.

We all know why they're using tanks in densely packed neighborhoods. Less danger for their own men. Makes Hamas look more upstanding, in my eyes. They've killed 63 soldiers while the IDF has killed 200 militants with vastly superior firepower.

 

[Ichinisan]

There'd be a lot more dead Israelis, that's for sure. And a lot less dead civilians because it would be far more even handed. The Israelis tried that in Jenin and it was a disaster.

We all know why they're using tanks in densely packed neighborhoods. Less danger for their own men. Makes Hamas look more upstanding, in my eyes. They've killed 63 soldiers while the IDF has killed 200 militants with vastly superior firepower.

War isn't supposed to be "even handed." If you fight, you fight to win; minimizing casualties to yourself and those you're responsible to protect as much as possible.

If you want to risk losing, you do something stupid and handicap yourself by making it "even handed."