It's more like 100 to 1 if not more. Every network is oversubscribed. That's how they can give you the service for dirt cheap.
Fritzo
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Originally posted by: Delta6Echo
Originally posted by: Fritzo
40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.
I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :
A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more
I know which one seems fair to me.
Please shut the fvck up. You work for an ISP company? I'm shocked. Tell you what, I'll cap your water, electricity, and gas. Does that sounds good to you? Cable/Internet is a utility, if they start doing this, you know they will start capping other services.
Then all the "Soviet Russia" jokes will start up and never end. Is that what you want to happen? IS IT?
They DO cap gas, electricity, and gas moron. That's why you pay more for heating in the winter and more for electricity in summer when you're running your AC. This is also why people try not to over-use utilities---BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
How about thinking about what you're going to say before you start spewing verbal diarrhea?
you admit they are all oversubed yet you flame me for bitching about them because they need to upgrading their crap infrastructure
If you use less than the cap they aren't giving you a discount. It's not the same at all, you are charged a base amount regardless of how much you use.
rh71
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I wish I was actually on my home machine as I've had dumeter installed and running for years without interruption. It's gone through Optimum Online, Verizon DSL, and now FIOS, all round the clock. I use ridiculous bandwidth on my 20/5 FIOS... too bad I can't provide actual numbers right now.
BUT, I only use it because I can. If I were metered, I'd definitely share a lot less and only grab things when I need... very bad for torrents.
BUT, I only use it because I can. If I were metered, I'd definitely share a lot less and only grab things when I need... very bad for torrents.
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Delta6Echo
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :
A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more
I know which one seems fair to me.
Please shut the fvck up. You work for an ISP company? I'm shocked. Tell you what, I'll cap your water, electricity and gas. Does that sounds good to you? Cable/Internet is a utility, if they start doing this, you know they will start capping other services.
Then all the "Soviet Russia" jokes will start up and never end. Is that what you want to happen? IS IT?
They DO cap gas, electricity, and gas moron. That's why you pay more for heating in the winter and more for electricity in summer when you're running your AC. This is also why people try not to over-use utilities---BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
How about thinking about what you're going to say before you start spewing verbal diarrhea?
You missed the sarcasm and smiley face. Actually, quite a few of you did :roll:
Has anyone considered how this will affect businesses that depend on high data transfer who are already paying 1000s for big bandwidth?
man.. those limits are low. even here in Canada we get 60GB for $35 a month.
If everyone follows suit this is gonna set back the internet by years.
If everyone follows suit this is gonna set back the internet by years.
I'm with Anubis on this one. These caps are just low. 40GB per month is incredibly low for anyone who uses broadband for what it's intended to do .. DL large files. You don't need broadband to just browse the web/read email. I have cable so I can do things like watch streaming video over Netflix/youtube/whatever. I just did 20 mins of testing or so yesterday while I watched a movie on Netflix and played some WoW. I had data incoming at 500kbps, so just for an hour of watching the movie I would have been at 1.8 GB. Now I'll have to watch more closely as I monitor my bandwidth more, I'm not sure if Netflix frontloads the streaming video somehow or if it's really 500kbps for the whole duration of the movie, if it is, and I watch a few movies/TV shows a month (which I do) I would easily decimate a 40GB cap without even DLing beyond the streaming video.
Ya no kidding.
Spidey, you argue about "entitlement" and abusers of bandwidth a lot. What makes you think ISPs are entitled to charge us money for bandwidth that we don't even use?
A very good point.
You know what part of this problem is all sounding like to me? It sounds like ISPs like Comcast got way in over their heads when it comes to investing so much money into infrastructure so that rural places could get broadband. Obviously they were hoping that these rural areas would expand in due time and it would result in more subscribers. However, no one is buying or building housing right now are they? So rather than invest even more money into better infrastructure to solve the issues, they just want to charge all of their customers more money for more limited service. They know people rely on the internet in their lives too much for people to rid themselves of the service all together and they are willing to take advantage of that. It's such bullshit. We are getting the short end of the stick because their original business plan sucked and it is now catching up to them. They should be the ones floating the bill here. Not us.
MrColin
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Such collaboration sounds like a price fixing scam and is VERY illegal, you or people you know should be summoned for a congressional grand jury hearing. Everyone write your congress people today.
Put down the kool aid for a second, :wine: Comcast as of Dec 31, 2007 had a net income of almost 2.6 billion dollars (after taxes and all the expenses from servicing all of those selfish bandwidth users), 21.9% of that came from 13.2 million high speed internet subscribers. link
You would think that in order to stay competitive and keep up with increasing consumer demands they would have a pretty big R&D budget. They don't, its not even big enough to warrant mention on their financial statements. The word research appears once in that 88 page statement and it is in reference to a discontinued joint venture with Motorola. The only R&D going on as far as I can see is on trying to squeeze consumers. There are lots of other solutions than just charging more money, I haven't noticed any tremendous bandwidth issues as a result of abusive bandwidth hogs. All this talk of a small number of users slightly degrading the service for everybody is just a pretext for an assault on net neutrality.
ummm, comcast is doing major upgrades all across the country as we speak. So that shoots down any point you have about them not upgrading the network. They're moving to docsis 3.0 so in order to support the 100 Mbs service serious work needs to be done.
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*****side tangent******
How much reserved space does the operating system and various other system stuff take up on the 360 20 gig drives? At 17 gig + patches, you are at the very edge of space for pretty much every "Premium" version of the console out there. You essentially could have no other downloaded content or local music stored on the machine. You get one game. That's it.
I don't see that taking off very well given MS's lucrative pricing on the larger HD's and their closed door policy on user installed HD's. This is very much an exception, and not a norm in the demo world.
*****side tangent over******
mugs
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I'm sure Dell has a pretty small R&D budget too, and yet their computers keep getting better. :Q Other companies develop the technology, and Comcast uses it. For example, Alcatel makes a large percentage of the world's DSLAMs (40% according to Wikipedia). When AT&T or Verizon or Qwest or Embarq or whoever buys those DSLAMs, they're paying for the R&D as part of the cost of the device, but that money doesn't show up in any kind of financial statements as an R&D expense. It's often better to have a third party develop technology and service all of the other companies rather than to have each company do their own R&D.
me - "I like milk A LOT, but 10 gallons a week just isn't enough for me and my store won't sell me anymore. They say no one can possibly drink more than 2 gallons a week"
spidey - "Buy 100 cows and start a dairy farm. Duh..."
:roll:
I don't think you read the article. TWC is simply charging you when you go over your total 40 GB usage. Nobody is preventing anything here just making people pay if they are a huge bandwidth power user.
Appropriate analogy would be you pay the milkman 50 bucks for 5 gallons of milk per week. But you want 10, so the milkman will have to charge you for the extra milk.
Then I would say if you don't like the price, THEN go get your cows and make your own milk.
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