Time Warner bandwidth caps arrive (updated)

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

last month i downloaded a grand total of 1 torrent for less then 400 megs

i used 65 GB of bandwidth on a 8mb connection, no news groups no illigal shit

its too fucking low

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

I forget if this is correct, but don't you work for Comcast?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Wheezer
so how much bandwidth does online gaming consume on average....any place to look that info up?

A guy in our office plays WoW every night---he's under 5GB/month.

How much per month does your average customer whose daily routine involves regular streaming of online music and entertaining himself with sites like YouTube and others that involve streaming video?

 

[fatpat268]

I might install software to track my bandwidth.

I'll probably be over 150gb easily

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: bonkers325
if they impose bandwidth caps they will likely reduce the monthly rates and charge for excessive bandwidth usage. if that happens, the average user will probably pay less for cable internet access.

Ha Ha Ha... the cable company lowering rates... Ha Ha Ha...

Yea thats a good one.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

Please explain how your ISP is having such problems if 99.6% of your paying customers are not using hardly any bandwidth? Their lack of usage combined should more than satisfy those other 0.4% of your users. Something isn't adding up right here at all.

Also, I say that if ISPs are going to charge more for additional bandwidth then they need to refund those for every bit of bandwidth that they do not use which is under their set cap.

 

[alchemize]

TWC customer on a 6 mo/$29.94 plan. Once that's done - I'm going to cancel, specifically for this reason (and make sure they know why I'm cancelling), and switch to DSL.

 

[Homerboy]

I wonder what TW's response will be when I say "I use NetFlex/MS/whatever streaming video for movies"?
I'm sure it will be along the lines of "use or PPV service!!!"

 

[spidey07]

More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

last month i downloaded a grand total of 1 torrent for less then 400 megs

i used 65 GB of bandwidth on a 8mb connection, no news groups no illigal shit

its too fucking low

Then you're a power user. Pay more.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Fritzo
40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

I forget if this is correct, but don't you work for Comcast?

No I don't. I'm with a large DSL provider.

 

[Reckoner]

Wow, a company which makes Comcast look good in comparison. Amazing.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

This is an experiment. It's not proof unless they decide to stick with it. If it happens then it happens, but I would like to understand why Japan is able to provide most people with great amounts of bandwidth at cheap prices compared to the states before I just accept that this is what every ISP needs to do in order to make a profit. Do you have the answer to that question? Even if my theory about all of this is incorrect I would at least like to go home having learned something about it.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

While agree with you, how are we supposed to deal with wanting to use our highspeed services for, you know, high speed applications?

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

This is an experiment. It's not proof unless they decide to stick with it. If it happens then it happens, but I would like to understand why Japan is able to provide most people with great amounts of bandwidth at cheap prices compared to the states before I just accept that this is what every ISP needs to do in order to make a profit. Do you have the answer to that question? Even if my theory about all of this is incorrect I would at least like to go home having learned something about it.

Look at the size of Japan vs the US and the concentration of people. Its not that hard to figure out

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Then you're a power user. Pay more.

Answer the same question I just proposed to spidey please.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Then you're a power user. Pay more.

Answer the same question I just proposed to spidey please.

I did already.

 

[Special K]

This is why it will be a very long time before movies go on-demand only and replace physical media like BD.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

This is an experiment. It's not proof unless they decide to stick with it. If it happens then it happens, but I would like to understand why Japan is able to provide most people with great amounts of bandwidth at cheap prices compared to the states before I just accept that this is what every ISP needs to do in order to make a profit. Do you have the answer to that question? Even if my theory about all of this is incorrect I would at least like to go home having learned something about it.

Look at the size of Japan vs the US and the concentration of people. Its not that hard to figure out

Why does that matter? I thought this is all about the rates that ISPs are charged for bandwidth? That would be like saying a chinese food all you can eat restaurant has an easier time making profit in smaller towns, which obviously doesn't make sense since they are paying for X amount of food to provide for an estimated Y amount of people. If Y is smaller then just make X smaller.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

Please explain how your ISP is having such problems if 99.6% of your paying customers are not using hardly any bandwidth? Their lack of usage combined should more than satisfy those other 0.4% of your users. Something isn't adding up right here at all.

Also, I say that if ISPs are going to charge more for additional bandwidth then they need to refund those for every bit of bandwidth that they do not use which is under their set cap.

I'll be glad to explain. Say you have a 100Mb pipe from an ATM. If you have 10 people at 10Mb running full bore 24/7, it's going to screw everyone else using that pipe.

Also, your refund suggestion is stupid. I'm sure your phone company, cell phone company, and cable TV company are going to refund you for unused services too.

 

[slag]

seems pretty ok..

http://www.sunflowerbroadband.com/internet/

check out those bandwidth limitatio... err rules.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

While agree with you, how are we supposed to deal with wanting to use our highspeed services for, you know, high speed applications?

Just pay for a service that meets your needs is all.

The problem is residential customers are accustomed to unrealistic expectations on bandwidth and cost. People should be charged for the amount of data they actually move similar to wholesale or business internet. You can also get non-metered or non-burstable services where you can fill the pipe all day every day, but it will cost you.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: spidey07
More proof also that the all you can eat residential pricing model is going to end. The heavy users kill any profit. If you really need that much bandwidth/capacity then just pay for it.

This is an experiment. It's not proof unless they decide to stick with it. If it happens then it happens, but I would like to understand why Japan is able to provide most people with great amounts of bandwidth at cheap prices compared to the states before I just accept that this is what every ISP needs to do in order to make a profit. Do you have the answer to that question? Even if my theory about all of this is incorrect I would at least like to go home having learned something about it.

Look at the size of Japan vs the US and the concentration of people. Its not that hard to figure out

Why does that matter? I thought this is all about the rates that ISPs are charged for bandwidth? That would be like saying a chinese food all you can eat restaurant has an easier time making profit in smaller towns, which obviously doesn't make sense since they are paying for X amount of food to provide for an estimated Y amount of people. If Y is smaller then just make X smaller.

They could just charge people in remote areas more for service than those in cities, since it costs more money to run the equipment out there.

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
I have TW (thought not in Texas)
what I dont get is how they are going to charge you. I mean as soon as you hit 40GB you're going to start getting billed? No warning no nothing? Seems they'd have to send a notice that you are over your limit and will now be given a surcharge.

They'll probably send you an email, then charge you to a 1GB surcharge to view the 1KB email.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

last month i downloaded a grand total of 1 torrent for less then 400 megs

i used 65 GB of bandwidth on a 8mb connection, no news groups no illigal shit

its too fucking low

Then you're a power user. Pay more.

:thumbsup: