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Time to Die?

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Lalakai

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Do you have the right to choose the time to die, and have someone help you?? Nearly as controversal as abortion. After Oregon voted to allow an individual this choice, the matter may be taken out of their hands and controlled by the government.

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personally, I have strong feelings about an individual's ability to choose.
 
That's a tough one...On the one hand, if someone's sick and says they're hurting so much that they'd prefer death, it makes me feel like I should support it...

but, if they're sick, do they really have all their wits with them? I don't know...and if it was a family member of mine or a close friend, I don't think I could handle it
 
A person of sound mind always has the right to choose the time to die. Since life is often infinitely more appealing than death, having this choice available is not going to send massive amounts of people to their graves prematurely. Humans have a natural right to end their own lives as they see fit. The government need not meddle. We simply hope that we never have to make such a decision, but it must be a decision we are allowed to make.
 
What will be the natural evolution of the 'right to die' movement. I find it believable that eventually it will move into others chosing when someone should die which potentially could develop into an extermination of the ill. All hypothetically mind you, but I don't have much faith in humanity not to repeat the problems of the past.
 
I watched my wife's grandmother pass away two years ago. She had multiple cancers and an enlarged heart so big that her doctors had never seen anything like it before. (It was donated to medical research). She had a slow death, about 2 years after she knew her heart would eventually kill her (No chance of ever getting a transplant at her age/cancer condition).

For the last 6 months she visibly deteriorated every day. She told everyone (repeatedly) she wished she would die. I think those were her last words. That was her biggest wish - to end her life.

She never, ever would have considered taking her life though. Why? She is a devout Catholic and the Bible says it is a sin.

I'll be flamed for saying this: things would have been a lot better if the Bible never mentioned that... Also I bet all states would allow it if those words weren't printed.
 
true.. true. but the other side of the coin would be that if those words were never printed, would people be more likely to end their lives for smaller problems (such as when they totally feel like sh!t?). if this were the case we would be missing half of our population
 
I do also believe every human has a right to choose when to die. I know I would much rather die than suffer through inoperable brain cancer for instance. I wouldn't want to live an extra 3 months in pure agony if I was going to die anyway. I also don't see why someone would want a family member to go through that if he/she chose to die instead.

My grandfather had lung cancer. He asked to end his life early, my family was divided. About three months later he was bedridden and given copious amounts of morphine and other drugs to keep him pain free. He was still in pain though, and he also couldn't walk at all. All the while he wanted to die and not live to endure the pain. After seeing him waste away slowly, my entire family changed their stance on the "right to die". It was bad though that it took watching my grandfather suffer and waste away for five months for them to realize it.
 


<< true.. true. but the other side of the coin would be that if those words were never printed, would people be more likely to end their lives for smaller problems (such as when they totally feel like sh!t?). if this were the case we would be missing half of our population >>


I could say something, but I won't. Hmm, I guess I just did! 😉
 
The Oregon issue goes beyond the simple ability of a person to choose their assisted death. The diagnoses must be terminal with only 6 months to live, and 2 doctors must agree. Even with these safeguards in place, the attorney general decided to reverse an earlier decision and try to make this illegal. Rather then deciding the issue in a legal arena, ashcroft tried a back-door approach by involving the DEA. Sorry, but it seems like a poor choice of actions.
 
What will be the natural evolution of the 'right to die' movement. I find it believable that eventually it will move into others chosing when someone should die which potentially could develop into an extermination of the ill. All hypothetically mind you, but I don't have much faith in humanity not to repeat the problems of the past.

Slippery-slope fallacy. Just because one thing happens, doesn't necessarily mean other things would follow.

true.. true. but the other side of the coin would be that if those words were never printed, would people be more likely to end their lives for smaller problems (such as when they totally feel like sh!t?). if this were the case we would be missing half of our population


So are you implying that those who don't follow the Bible and its belief of suicide as sinful are more suicidal? That half of that population is 'missing'?

 


<< true.. true. but the other side of the coin would be that if those words were never printed, would people be more likely to end their lives for smaller problems (such as when they totally feel like sh!t?). if this were the case we would be missing half of our population >>



If half the population kills themselves because they have the flu, I call it natural selection personally.
 
I watched my mother die of cancer and it was the worst experience of my life. She weighed 80lbs when she died, she was 145 when she got sick. I watched her go from a woman that did everything, that worked 12 hours a day, to a woman that was in agony and couldn't do anything for herself. I have no doubt if she would have been given the option to end her life she would have, and I think God would have understood.
 
Pfft. I don't believe in the Christian Bible, and I would never commit suicide. I think maybe in rare cases the Bible might stop someone who's really determined to kill themselves, but by and large, it's an internal mechanism which prevents people from doing so, a survival instinct which can't be ruled by religion.

That having been said, I think it's foolish and naive for people to think they can stop suicide by making it illegal. Come on, if someone is so forlorn or in so much pain they wish to take their own lives, why the hell would they care if it's illegal?
 
i think people should have the right to die in general.

a notable exception would be if they not terminally ill, and had children that they were currently providing for.
 
Even though a person may want to die, they may be physically unable to complete the act (parapalegic, extreme illness, ect..); in those instances they might be forced to ask for help. If you help a person die, should you be responsible????
 


<< This is an Oprah show waiting to happen... >>


where's Dr. Phil?

I believe a person should be allowed to choose there time to die. Your life is your own responsibility, and if you want to end it than the gov't should not have the right to stop you. As long as you are certain you want to die, than assisted suicides should also be legal, especially because this in many cases might be the most humane and painless way to die.
 
Slippery-slope fallacy. Just because one thing happens, doesn't necessarily mean other things would follow
I'm aware of this. It was a hypothetical scenario, one which i think could happen. Of course there are many more positive scenarios too. This was merely the one i wished to bring forth.

So are you implying that those who don't follow the Bible and its belief of suicide as sinful are more suicidal? That half of that population is 'missing'?
Nope. i was working on a few fundamental facts about our society.
1. Western culture's largest influence has come from the Bible and the Judeo/Christian ethic
2. If this influence had never existed, and in the absense of other religions who similarily view suicide as a bad thing...
3. would a humanistic world view still have developed that encouraged people to not end their lives? And if this encouragement was not present, would people end their lives for more trivial reasons than MS, and cancer. Things such as depression, PMS, etc...
 
well if people want to kill themselves over stupid things then so be it, they weren't fit for thsi society anyway


strongly for choosing when a person wants to die
 
I'm probably one of the most conservative (not politically) Evangelical Christians on these forums, and I would always support a person's right to choose the end their own life. However, if it were a Christian, I would plead with that person not to.
 
the morality of being able to choose for yourself is one part, but it's nearly secondary to the attempt by the attorney general, to negate a state's election results. Several months back he had stated that he did not believe in assisted suicide, and thought he had developed a method to use federal resources to force a state down the path he had chosen. Considering all the other "rights" that are currently being restricted or outright forfeited, this is a bit too blatant. Glad that it was put on hold until more input was initiated, but I guess ashcroft wanted to see if he could slide this one by.
 
As an Oregonian this issue is kind of a sore spot for me.
WE VOTED IT IN!!

And that shows how the PEOPLE feel about the issue.

Now the fed's are telling us we don't have the right to choose when and HOW to die???

🙁🙁🙁🙁

SO much for the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
 
oh great, so we legalize the death penalty, then we legalize abortions, now we are think about legalizing suicide. Thats fvcked up!
what's with America? why are we so obsessed with death?

peace
sean
 
Ok so it's better for some one that is terminally ill to lie in bed suffering for months on end and spending every last dime they have leaving their spouse and children to pay off the hospital debt for the next who knows how many years???

The Doctor?s get richer and the people STILL die!!

WTF??

There is something inherently WRONG with that system!!
 
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