Time to ban knives again

[cybrsage]

That to me has always been one of the more "special" arguments to me against gun control. What makes you, or anyone else for that matter, think that illegal commodities are easily available in the places in which they are illegal? That someone is a criminal does not magically imbue them with the knowledge and resources to acquire any and every illegal good known to man.

I'm of mixed mind about gun control laws, but this is an absolutely terrible argument against them.

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you

From drug dealing to settling playground squabbles, firearms offences are rising

• The Guardian, Friday 29 August 2008

The gun shown here, a Webley, is up for sale in London for £150, one of hundreds of such weapons that are easily and cheaply available on the streets of the UK's big cities, a Guardian investigation can reveal.
The variety of weapons on offer in Britain is extensive and includes machine guns and shotguns, as well as pistols and converted replicas. A source close to the trade in illegal weapons contacted by the Guardian listed a menu of firearms that are available on the streets of the capital.
"You can get a clean [unused] 9mm automatic for £1,500, a Glock for a couple of grand and you can even make an order for a couple of MAC-10s," he said. "Or you can get a little sawn-off for £150. They're easy enough to get hold of. You'll find one in any poverty area, every estate in London, and it's even easier in Manchester, where there are areas where the police don't go.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1

 

[HAL9000]

Tell me it isn't so.....HAL9000 has not commented in this thread. I thought all the superior gun control and Bobbies with billy clubs prevented such things from happening in the UK???


Let me guess the Bobbies were eating crumpets and drinking tea while discussing the outcome of the UEFA League Championship match.

Hi, what's up?

To clarify what has happened here, one man was stabbed, according to the Daily Mail. If this was in America 4 people would have been shot.

I carry a knife every day wherever I am. So what did you want from me?

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Hi, what's up?

To clarify what has happened here, one innocent man was stabbed, according to the Daily Mail. If this was in America 4 guilty people would have been shot.

I carry a knife every day wherever I am. So what did you want from me?

Fixed for you, assuming the victim or his father was carrying.

 

[HAL9000]

Fixed for you, assuming the victim or his father was carrying.

And assuming the people who had knives and bats weren't carrying knives. There'd be 4 dead baddies a dead victim and a dead father.

This was better.

P.S. Knives aren't banned in the UK, sorry if the OP is confused

 

[HAL9000]

how are race relations in the UK?

Race isn't' really a big thing in the UK, at least not where I'm from...

Although I only know one black person :hmm:

He already has commented in a similar previous thread:

And I stand by it.

 

[BladeVenom]

And assuming the people who had knives and bats weren't carrying knives. There'd be 4 dead baddies a dead victim and a dead father.

This was better.

P.S. Knives aren't banned in the UK, sorry if the OP is confused

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation#United_Kingdom

 

[HAL9000]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation#United_Kingdom

I know the law, you don't need to quote it at me. Knives aren't banned in the UK, that Wikipedia link will confirm.

I'm holding one I bought legally very recently.

 

[BoberFett]

I carry a knife every day wherever I am. So what did you want from me?

Sounds like you're a criminal.

 

[HAL9000]

Sounds like you're a criminal.

Sounds like you don't know UK law.

 

[BoberFett]

Sounds like you don't know UK law.

The only reason you carry a knife is because you intend to use it to kill someone.

 

[HAL9000]

The only reason you carry a knife is because you intend to use it to kill someone.

What?

 

[cybrsage]

In the UK, if you can open a pocket knife by flicking your wrist, the knife is illegal. If the blade is more than 3 inches long, it is illegal. If the knife is owned by someone under 18 it is illegal.

 

[Jaskalas]

The only reason you carry a knife is because you intend to use it to kill someone.

What?

He's displaying the knife / gun grabber mentality. To point out how offensive it is.

 

[BladeVenom]

Sounds like you don't know UK law.

You've already proven before, that you don't know UK law either.

 

[cybrsage]

You've already proven before, that you don't know UK law either.

If you are over 3 inches tall, you are also banned from the UK, BladeVenom....jussayin...

 

[Jaskalas]

And assuming the people who had knives and bats weren't carrying knives. There'd be 4 dead baddies a dead victim and a dead father.

You mean, in that scenario going up and attacking the man could have had consequences. Sort of changes their idea behind killing him if ~4 of them are going to die too. As it stands now they are free to do what they want and people can't defend themselves.

Personally, I'd rather have a knife than a gun in that fight. Close quarters, many of them. How the hell does a person intend to cock a firearm while being pummeled? Then you're f'ed as soon as you spend your clip.

 

[cybrsage]

Semi-autos self cock - pull the trigger and they fire...and in close quarters you need less bullets.

 

[HAL9000]

In the UK, if you can open a pocket knife by flicking your wrist, the knife is illegal. If the blade is more than 3 inches long, it is illegal. If the knife is owned by someone under 18 it is illegal.

Yep.

So knives aren't banned then?

Edit: Sorry just re-read that, you're post is completely wrong, You can own any of the knives you've listed, you just can't carry them in public, none of them are banned

You've already proven before, that you don't know UK law either.

Of course I don't, there's a lot to know. I don't think anyone except maybe some Judges and Lawyers / Barristers can argue they know all the UK laws.

You mean, in that scenario going up and attacking the man could have had consequences. Sort of changes their idea behind killing him if ~4 of them are going to die too. As it stands now they are free to do what they want and people can't defend themselves.

Personally, I'd rather have a knife than a gun in that fight. Close quarters, many of them. How the hell does a person intend to cock a firearm while being pummeled? Then you're f'ed as soon as you spend your clip.

OK.

In the UK we banned handguns, I'm glad, otherwise a lot more would be dead.

 

[HAL9000]

He's displaying the knife / gun grabber mentality. To point out how offensive it is.

Ah.

 

[cybrsage]

Yep.

So knives aren't banned then?

Agreed, you need something for chef's to use. However, try walking around town with your butcher knife in your hand.

EDIT: Yeah, was talking about in public, something you must do to get it from the store to your house. I suspect that butcher knives, etc., provided they are in their store wrapping still, are legal to transport.

I think it is silly to ban locking knives, since locking knives are MUCH safer to use than the non-locking kind. But hey, your country, your rules. 🙂

 

[HAL9000]

Agreed, you need something for chef's to use. However, try walking around town with your butcher knife in your hand.

EDIT: Yeah, was talking about in public, something you must do to get it from the store to your house.

I think it is silly to ban locking knives, since locking knives are MUCH safer to use than the non-locking kind. But hey, your country, your rules. 🙂

You are more than welcome to walk home with a butchers knife, if you've just bought it how do you think we get the knives home?! You need a good reason to have the knife on you, you can't carry it around with you when you go into nightclubs at night, but if you've just bought it that's fine.

FML. We haven't banned locking knives either.

Read up on UK law then I'll debate it with you.

You can carry an axe, a chainsaw, a longsword a samurai sword and a machete about if you have a good reason to.

 

[Howard]

DA/DAO semi-autos self cock - pull the trigger and they fire...and in close quarters you need less bullets.

fixed

 

[heymrdj]

<3

There was no tentacles, scat, or vomit. I am disappoint.

But other than that delivered in typical uhoh's fashion. Approved! :thumbsup:

 

[actuarial]

The odds of him legally carrying a gun and being able to defend himself is much higher when it is legally allowable to carry a gun.

True, but you said if they were legal he'd be alive. That's a far cry from what you're saying now.

Of course criminals will still commit crimes if guns are legal. However, there would be more dead criminals and less dead victems if guns were legal.

Again, you're claiming something as absolute that you cannot know for sure. It is extremely likely that there would be more dead criminals, but I'm not so sure of the likelihood that there would be less dead victims.

 

[CLite]

If the guy was allowed to own a gun and carry it on him, he would be alive and the thugs who murdered him would be dead instead.

You want it to be legal for a guy that is drinking at the pub watching a sport's match to be carrying? As far as I know any reasonable person thinks carrying while intoxicated should be illegal, so even legal carry in UK would not have saved this man.

I understand that perhaps this man's life would have been saved if he was carrying, but shooting up a pub with a semi while intoxicated probably would have guaranteed the potential injury or death of other innocent bystanders.