Originally posted by: lxskllr
Absolutely not. God is in control of all things good and bad. If you win the lottery that was God. If you get run over by a car, that was his doing also. If that isn't true, then there is no God. You can't be omnipotent, and powerless at the same time.
argh. Why you do this to me?
I'm completely anti-religion, though I could not care less if someone wishes to believe in some divine deity... but I completely find no logic in faith and am happy knowing what I've got, and what I strive for, is what defines this life for me... and that drives me just as much to do good (though for obviously different reasons), so I question that principal of religion as well. But whatever...
However, from what I've studied (and watched... i do watch quite a bit of History Channel
), it seems most teachings push the notion that the god fellow is omnipotent, all powerful, yet completely willing to not use his power.
I think the story was about some shepherd guy, or whatever. I think this is somewhat recently following the time Satan was banished to rule "Hell", aka new name for the underworld, an insanely old concept (one of the many things modern religions stole from old beliefs, surprise surprise...) but I digress.
But as the story goes in one of the multitude of books/bibles for Christianity, Satan wanted to gamble with god, and god allowed it. So Satan sets forth to do just about everything he could possibly do short of actually killing this guy. The whole gamble was that this guy was a hardcore follower of god, and Satan wanted to prove he could tempt him to question the very existence of god. But the story goes that the guy never did waiver from his firm belief, and while he wasn't happy with things like losing his family members, his home, his animals (and farm?), he maintained belief in god, believing it was all tests by god to test his faith, and I'm butchering this I think (been awhile since I've studied this particular notion), in the end the guy comes out with a stronger faith. And god does something to satan, completely cannot remember the full aftermath in the story.
My point being - the whole story of religion is that god may be all powerful, but the end result is that god won't do everything he could ever do, because the whole point of life is supposed to be a way to prove one is worthy to actually be in god's grace in the afterlife.
And since that is the very true point of religion, and is what religion even preaches... I don't get how people get caught up in it. This god fellow in all the stories, and in all the preaches, is the biggest douche and prick the world has ever seen. It all boils down to him making life a game, one bitch of a game, all the while dangling a carrot in front of people.
Seems backward too.
I cannot say for sure a god does or does not exist, as to say definitively is just being just as much of an asshole as all the doucebags that treat you like an idiot for not having faith in something you cannot prove exist. Faith makes no sense to my mind. I like logic. It makes me feel comfortable, it makes life all the more real, with clear boundaries to what can and cannot happen. Science evolves over time, learns from misunderstandings of the past, corrects them to make even more accurate science. I follow science, and would say the current sciences have a firm grasp on the world, but that could be wrong. Science used to think things were quite a bit different hundreds of years ago, and hell, even a hundred years ago. But, combine science and logic, and one is complete imho, and allows one to accept certain fallacies and learn to avoid them and how to work with or around them. Again, I digress.
The point I was making.... as an atheist-agnostic... which to sum up the above, I don't believe a god exists, but cannot honestly say I could turn around, find myself facing god, he proves himself to me, and return with 'you're a crock, go away you crazy'. Faced with physical, sound evidence, like a science... well, it would fit with following logic then and I could only then accept it. Thus, if this prick in the sky wants me to believe, then he'll appear to me... while sober, else I'd write it off as my creative imagination. He has my demands... else, I'll keep living my life as I am, as hell, if this guy is anything the stories make him out to be, I'm apart of his plan... though if this all proves to me correct, his plan will seemingly point me toward the depths of the underworld. yikes.
hmmm... once more I'll try this. :laugh:
My real point... this deity could exist, or multiple deities could exist. Whatever the case ends up being, if we ever get to find out... a "good" deity would play a far different card hand compared to what the religions preach. Instead of constantly dipping into the world, constantly changing the rules, performing miracles, etc etc... such a good deity would let the world work without once diving into the world. Why bother? If there is an afterlife that only the good souls get invites for, would the best scenario be give everyone one chance in life, doing exactly what it is they are doing, letting humans do their thing, and the 'good' folk get the star treatment. Or whatever.
Life isn't fair, it obviously wasn't designed to be fair if it is all designed, and even then, the very nature of life... life's a bitch. Also pointless, the universe needs not to be riddled with life, it really does nothing. It'd get along just fine without a single living organism. But life, well... happened. The point of life is to live, do everything an organism can do. The smarter ones can do more, the simple ones.. well they do what they do. To live is the goal, to procreate is the objective. To spread is the ultimate desire. That's why some species can adapt, some get wings, some get to infect animals that can do everything collectively... to spread and increase numbers is all a lifeform ultimate is programmed to do. We'll take over the universe, hopefully... or die while confined here, either at the hands of nature or at our own hands. Regardless... why stay cooped up on this rock? Come on nerds, we gotta realize it's all about parity. More copies of home, better the chance we get to start over if one home is destroyed.
I'm talk space colonies. Spread our seed amongst the heavens. We can do it!
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damn, this was far longer than I planned. I hate the internet - gets me typing in much the same way alcohol gets me talking. Can we ban everything about religion and life from the internet? I'd rather not have to continue typing novels every chance I get. And don't tell me to not do it. I can't help myself.
My drive in life is to help the human race wake up and realize its potential.
I :heart: you all.
eh... just kidding. I actually hate mankind, thus why I have this drive.
Gotta top my uncle somehow (see sig). He helped establish a country. Maybe I can help establish, or at least plant the concepts, of a better way of life.
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