Tider's new update has 35 gender options

[Raduque]

Oh? And how does everybody know what sort of shit-show they are? Does that just magically happen, or do people need information from other perspective?

You're absolutely right, people do need information from other sources and perspectives. But think again of the WBC: For every inane stunt they pull, there's 15-20 articles ridiculing them about it - anybody can Google up the WBC and figure out in short order they're completely insane and don't represent the majority of religion.

But every time some alt-pronoun idiot claims they were harassed by a racist bigot at a college because a professor called the person a male pronoun instead of whatever it was they preferred to be called, do you see any of the saner people from your movement going out of their way to distance themselves from that sort of behavior?

 

[cbrunny]

Tider - Alt Right's answer to Tinder

nah that's Grinder.

 

[Ruptga]

You're absolutely right, people do need information from other sources and perspectives. But think again of the WBC: For every inane stunt they pull, there's 15-20 articles ridiculing them about it - anybody can Google up the WBC and figure out in short order they're completely insane and don't represent the majority of religion.

But every time some alt-pronoun idiot claims they were harassed by a racist bigot at a college because a professor called the person a male pronoun instead of whatever it was they preferred to be called, do you see any of the saner people from your movement going out of their way to distance themselves from that sort of behavior?

For my part, I rarely notice the jackasses because I do not pay attention to trashy sensationalist news, which is most news. With few exceptions they exist to make money off of our interest, and the easiest way to do that is through outrage. They don't really care about group X having a feed the homeless day or whatever, but they'll go out of their way to find the story of some group Xer kicking a puppy.

Even if the entire LGB* community were committed to a nationwide apology tour so that they could win over everyone like you it would barely matter. The average person is kind of a dick, and half the population is worse than that - there will never be a shortage of stories about assholes. If your condition for accepting a group is that they either don't have any assholes or that their assholes are outnumbered 100:1 and are supervised constantly, you must be very disappointed in pretty much everyone.

 

[nakedfrog]

Why? They aren't the same thing/topic.

They're definitely related.

The main difference between sexual identity and gender identity is that the former is at most a symptom of culture (but likely primarily congenital), whereas the latter is more of a creation of culture. If you're a dude and other dudes make your dick hard, it's unequivocal that you have a minority sexual attraction. There is no way for an XY human being with attraction to other XY human beings to enact societal changes to modify his sexual orientation. On the other hand, gender is a poorly-defined term, and evidence for its existence is heavily biased by society itself. If we had a truly gender-neutral society where no activity was considering unusual/unacceptable according to biological sex, gender would have no meaning. A boy that enjoys skirts more than pants *could* be an unknowing transwoman, or maybe he's just Scottish. A girl that enjoys rough-housing and GI Joe *could* be an unknowing transman, or maybe she's just a tomboy.

There is also stuff out there indicating that transmen/transwomen have brains at least partially shaped by their birth sex, which further complicates fluid gender identity as a solution to the problem of gender dysphoria.

This seems to be a pretty well-informed, cogent post.

You're absolutely right, people do need information from other sources and perspectives. But think again of the WBC: For every inane stunt they pull, there's 15-20 articles ridiculing them about it - anybody can Google up the WBC and figure out in short order they're completely insane and don't represent the majority of religion.

But every time some alt-pronoun idiot claims they were harassed by a racist bigot at a college because a professor called the person a male pronoun instead of whatever it was they preferred to be called, do you see any of the saner people from your movement going out of their way to distance themselves from that sort of behavior?

I think I've seen like two threads about it here or something? I generally try to limit my news intake to information-based sources, not outrage-based sources. So, when you say "every time", how often is this actually happening?

 

[Raduque]

For my part, I rarely notice the jackasses because I do not pay attention to trashy sensationalist news, which is most news. With few exceptions they exist to make money off of our interest, and the easiest way to do that is through outrage. They don't really care about group X having a feed the homeless day or whatever, but they'll go out of their way to find the story of some group Xer kicking a puppy.

Even if the entire LGB* community were committed to a nationwide apology tour so that they could win over everyone like you it would barely matter. The average person is kind of a dick, and half the population is worse than that - there will never be a shortage of stories about assholes. If your condition for accepting a group is that they either don't have any assholes or that their assholes are outnumbered 100:1 and are supervised constantly, you must be very disappointed in pretty much everyone.

News media outlets are the worst really, but people watch them and pay attention. I don't even have cable, so I don't watch TV. As for myself, I hate everybody equally. People are shit, no matter who/what you fuck or who/what you identify as. I don't actually care about your cause one way or the other - I just like arguing.

I think I've seen like two threads about it here or something? I generally try to limit my news intake to information-based sources, not outrage-based sources. So, when you say "every time", how often is this actually happening?

It doesn't get talked about much here at all, really. Not even in P&N. I see it fairly regularly on Facebook, though, which I suppose counts as an "outrage-based source" for you. Generally you can link-through to a "real" (almost said reputable, hah!) news org for the base article/story, though.

 

[nakedfrog]

News media outlets are the worst really, but people watch them and pay attention. I don't even have cable, so I don't watch TV. As for myself, I hate everybody equally. People are shit, no matter who/what you fuck or who/what you identify as. I don't actually care about your cause one way or the other - I just like arguing.



It doesn't get talked about much here at all, really. Not even in P&N. I see it fairly regularly on Facebook, though, which I suppose counts as an "outrage-based source" for you. Generally you can link-through to a "real" (almost said reputable, hah!) news org for the base article/story, though.

I was disgusted to see the recent statistics on how many people get their news from Facebook. In my experience, they either generally DON'T link to a "real" news source, or at best, it's some clickbait site that does link to the actual news source, and then you see how poorly they represented what the actual news source said.

 

[Raduque]

I was disgusted to see the recent statistics on how many people get their news from Facebook. In my experience, they either generally DON'T link to a "real" news source, or at best, it's some clickbait site that does link to the actual news source, and then you see how poorly they represented what the actual news source said.

If the article doesn't link-through, I ignore it in it's entirety. If it does, I still ignore it, because as you said, it misrepresents the source.

 

[Ruptga]

I just like arguing.

Me too, and it's a dying art. Too many people think that what's necessary and sufficient for arguing is just angry shitposting, the amateurs.

 

[agent00f]

You're absolutely right, people do need information from other sources and perspectives. But think again of the WBC: For every inane stunt they pull, there's 15-20 articles ridiculing them about it - anybody can Google up the WBC and figure out in short order they're completely insane and don't represent the majority of religion.

But every time some alt-pronoun idiot claims they were harassed by a racist bigot at a college because a professor called the person a male pronoun instead of whatever it was they preferred to be called, do you see any of the saner people from your movement going out of their way to distance themselves from that sort of behavior?

This is simply specious thinking. For example on a subject well-studied, there's prevailing opinion even among liberals that we live in post-racial times, yet every study on the matter pegs the racial-resentment meter sky high. So where's the 10+ articles on every racially motivated incident, which would flood out all other news? The same is almost certainly true for homophobia and such.

Rather, you're revealing the bias of your own chosen sources, or your personal confirmation bias of stories to mentally retains. Eg brietbart or such have their daily reiteration of every possible instance of conservative victimhood.

It seems obvious to me that the choice of what to believe often comes down to personal interest, and the recent election appears to confirm the idea that traditional <60's ideals are still of interest to many.

 

[Staples]

The extent this has gone to is getting really humorous.

 

[pcgeek11]

The extent this has gone to is getting really humorous.

You got that right. The funniest part is that these confused people don't realize they are being laughed at.

 

[agent00f]

You got that right. The funniest part is that these confused people don't realize they are being laughed at.

Sure, just like your sort were laughing at the queers and queer lovers not too long ago.

Not hard to see why they hate political correctness.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sure, just like your sort were laughing at the queers and queer lovers not too long ago.

Not hard to see why they hate political correctness.

Like right now we are all laughing at you. And yes I do hate political correctness.

 

[agent00f]

Like right now we are all laughing at you. And yes I do hate political correctness.

Too bad the words that drool out of your mouth are completely worthless.

 

[Staples]

At this rate, I think they will have one to describe me

I am a white 35 year old heterosexual male who has never had homosexual feelings. I am attracted to smoking hot women of any race who have big boobs.

I find it so funny that gender identity has morphed into

1) gender
2) very detailed sexual preferences
3) a bio of the person's sexual history

As far as I am concerned, gender means

Male
Female
Trans - women to man or vice versa

 

[agent00f]

At this rate, I think they will have one to describe me

I am a white 35 year old heterosexual male who has never had homosexual feelings. I am attracted to smoking hot women of any race who have big boobs.

I find it so funny that gender identity has morphed into

1) gender
2) very detailed sexual preferences
3) a bio of the person's sexual history

As far as I am concerned, gender means

Male
Female
Trans - women to man or vice versa

Good for you. Here's a handy chart for race, too:

White
Black
Brown-ish - sometimes hard to tell

 

[IEC]

agent00f doesn't get it. People like xim/xer are the reason why people voted for Donald Trump.

 

[agent00f]

agent00f doesn't get it. People like xim/xer are the reason why people voted for Donald Trump.

No, that list I just wrote is the reason they voted for trump: https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/

 

[IEC]

I raise you 8000 words of (mostly) reason.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

 

[Ruptga]

I raise you 8000 words of (mostly) reason.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

Stop centering criticism of Donald Trump around this sort of stuff, and switch to literally anything else. Here is an incompetent thin-skinned ignorant boorish fraudulent omnihypocritical demagogue with no idea how to run a country, whose philosophy of governance basically boils down to “I’m going to win and not lose, details to be filled in later”, and all you can do is repeat, again and again, how he seems popular among weird Internet teenagers who post frog memes. In the middle of an emotionally incontinent reality TV show host getting his hand on the nuclear button, your chief complaint is that in the middle of a few dozen denunciations of the KKK, he once delayed denouncing the KKK for an entire 24 hours before going back to denouncing it again. When a guy who says outright that he won’t respect elections unless he wins them does, somehow, win an election, the headlines are how he once said he didn’t like globalists which means he must be anti-Semitic.

I like this guy.

 

[agent00f]

I raise you 8000 words of (mostly) reason.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

For someone so bent on calling themselves "rational" he's sure terrible with comparing numbers. Eg from the first paragraphs, 2012 is a terrible basis of comparison for minority votes given it was an anomalous historical high for democrats for obvious reasons. All that really says is the minorities who voted R in the past continued to vote R; it's not as if Trump exposed a side to the GOP they didn't already know.

People this bad at basic analysis should consider writing much closer to zero than 8k words on any subject.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

The OP still can't be bothered to fix his asinine typo?

 

[agent00f]

The OP still can't be bothered to fix his asinine typo?

Given the circumstances it's presumptuous to consider OP a speller.