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[nakedfrog]

If you want positive change, then you need to tell the people on TV and in news stories to stop acting the way I described, because that's the way the general public sees them.

This is exactly like deciding that every Christian everywhere is a piece of shit because you saw the Westboro Baptist people on TV protesting a soldier's funeral.

 

[cbrunny]

My experience with this is that they can, sometimes at young ages (as young as five, or nine years old).

how can they if they don't even understand gender yet being both prepubescent and being cognitively not fully developed? can you elaborate on your experience? (legit questions)

 

[Raduque]

This is exactly like deciding that every Christian everywhere is a piece of shit because you saw the Westboro Baptist people on TV protesting a soldier's funeral.

It's a matter of perception. Christianity has fully distanced itself from WBC and almost everybody knows what sort of shit-show they are. WBC doesn't claim to represent Christianity as a whole, either.

 

[cbrunny]

It's a matter of perception. Christianity has fully distanced itself from WBC and almost everybody knows what sort of shit-show they are. WBC doesn't claim to represent Christianity as a whole, either.

does "the news" claim to represent humanity as a whole?

Put it this way. It's pretty easy to distinguish on the news these days between Republicans and Democrats. Right? Why is that distinction so easy to make for you, but you can't distinguish someone who fits some "insane" notion that you have from the rest of the population that are more level headed?

 

[Ruptga]

If you want positive change, then you need to tell the people on TV and in news stories to stop acting the way I described, because that's the way the general public sees them.

Afaik, the people on TV that most contribute to that stereotype are Bill O'Reilly and others like him. Plus, TV is entertainment, not fact, why cite it? It's just noise.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's a matter of perception. Christianity has fully distanced itself from WBC and almost everybody knows what sort of shit-show they are. WBC doesn't claim to represent Christianity as a whole, either.

Oh? And how does everybody know what sort of shit-show they are? Does that just magically happen, or do people need information from other perspective?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Hehe nakedfrog seems a bit agitated.

 

[nakedfrog]

Hehe nakedfrog seems a bit agitated.

As I suspect you might be if there was anyone close to you that was being talked about this way.
I do find it curious that you seem, in general, to support gays and lesbians, but resentful towards non-conforming gender individuals.

 

[agent00f]

What this argument boils down to, nakedfrog, is that some people believe gender should be solely based on physical sex/genitals, and that anything else is made up and exists only in the brain (which is why they say it's a mental illness).

Sure, the same way they believe homosexuality is a mental illness, which is why their arguments are identical against the gays:

The problem is, that GAYS don't just want to be treated politely, they want to be treated special. They think they're important and they demand that everything change to suit them, when it really doesn't need to happen. Additionally, if you don't accommodate them, they freak out and go full retard sjw and scream that they're being harassed and oppressed. It's that tone and behavior of the GAYS that turns everybody who isn't "ONE OF US" off their cause.

There's a very compelling argument that people who feel the strongest about sexuality as mental illness are deep closet homosexuals, because they think everyone else is just like them. Ie. they struggle with identity so everyone else must, too.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, you've formed a baseless opinion, solely on gut reaction because "GODDAMMIT YER A MAN OR A WOMAN!"
I hope someone close to you comes out as gender non-conforming so maybe you'll have incentive to be understanding of this community.

Yeah, right. You have no idea what I base my opinion on. But it doesn't matter anyway, it is my opinion, I don't have the need to have it OKed by you or anyone else.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yeah, right. You have no idea what I base my opinion on. But it doesn't matter anyway, it is my opinion, I don't have the need to have it OKed by you or anyone else.

I know exactly what you based it on, and I'll use your very own words, "stupid shit"

 

[pcgeek11]

You are funny!

 

[nakedfrog]

That does seem to be the general consensus.

 

[agent00f]

Yeah, right. You have no idea what I base my opinion on. But it doesn't matter anyway, it is my opinion, I don't have the need to have it OKed by you or anyone else.

It's actually pretty easy to see what simpletons base their opinion on. It's not a coincidence yours are indistinguishable from what fox news tells its audience to think.

 

[Ruptga]

It's actually pretty easy to see what simpletons base their opinion on. It's not a coincidence yours are indistinguishable from what fox news tells its audience to think.

Right, because nobody ever comes to a stupid conclusion all on their own.

 

[agent00f]

Right, because nobody ever comes to a stupid conclusion all on their own.

Sometimes people do, but generally not people who only repeat what they're told to think.

And the way to distinguish between the thinkers (however wrong) and parrots is easy. The former construct new cohesive arguments as the conversation turns, the latter start mouthing off because they can't.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I do find it curious that you seem, in general, to support gays and lesbians, but resentful towards non-conforming gender individuals.

Why? They aren't the same thing/topic.

 

[Ruptga]

Sometimes people do, but generally not people who only repeat what they're told to think.

And the way to distinguish between the thinkers (however wrong) and parrots is easy. The former construct new cohesive arguments as the conversation turns, the latter start mouthing off because they can't.

That's only a test for smart people that want to have a deeper conversation. They could easily be dumb, or not that interested, or both.

Why? They aren't the same thing/topic.

Meaning that gays do conform to gender norms? Some do, and some don't; there is definitely some overlap between the two topics. They're all deviants, if you're cool with one I don't see why you shouldn't be with the other.

 

[agent00f]

That's only a test for smart people that want to have a deeper conversation. They could easily be dumb, or not that interested, or both.

The point is it's not that difficult to identify smart people, for their peers at least.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sometimes people do, but generally not people who only repeat what they're told to think.

And the way to distinguish between the thinkers (however wrong) and parrots is easy. The former construct new cohesive arguments as the conversation turns, the latter start mouthing off because they can't.

Strange that the only one mouthing off and calling people names is you,

 

[agent00f]

Strange that the only one mouthing off and calling people names is you,

Accurately describing the nature of things, in this case your sort, is called empiricism.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Meaning that gays do conform to gender norms? Some do, and some don't; there is definitely some overlap between the two topics. They're all deviants, if you're cool with one I don't see why you shouldn't be with the other.

The main difference between sexual identity and gender identity is that the former is at most a symptom of culture (but likely primarily congenital), whereas the latter is more of a creation of culture. If you're a dude and other dudes make your dick hard, it's unequivocal that you have a minority sexual attraction. There is no way for an XY human being with attraction to other XY human beings to enact societal changes to modify his sexual orientation. On the other hand, gender is a poorly-defined term, and evidence for its existence is heavily biased by society itself. If we had a truly gender-neutral society where no activity was considering unusual/unacceptable according to biological sex, gender would have no meaning. A boy that enjoys skirts more than pants *could* be an unknowing transwoman, or maybe he's just Scottish. A girl that enjoys rough-housing and GI Joe *could* be an unknowing transman, or maybe she's just a tomboy.

There is also stuff out there indicating that transmen/transwomen have brains at least partially shaped by their birth sex, which further complicates fluid gender identity as a solution to the problem of gender dysphoria.

 

[pcgeek11]

Accurately describing the nature of things, in this case your sort, is called empiricism.

Anyway I tire of your endless blather. I will no longer respond to your inane posts here.

 

[agent00f]

Anyway I tire of your endless blather. I will no longer respond to your inane posts here.

I'll be the envy of this forum.

 

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