Tidal Wave Building Against Mormon Church After Prop 8 Passes

[db]

Would Jesus lie in order to pass a law?
No.
So why is it ok for church leaders to support a campaign that uses lies to pass a law?

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: db
Would Jesus lie in order to pass a law?
No.
So why is it ok for church leaders to support a campaign that uses lies to pass a law?

What lies would those be?

I'd also like to suggest that there are multiple viewpoints; the majority viewpoint won this time (at least for now). You may (or may not) also want to cogitate on teh concept of "The current version of the truth."

 

[cubeless]

the gay community is an election cycle behind the curve... they are still using jesse jackson's methods (whine after losing that the other side is mean) when they should have used obama's (if someone says they'd vote for you get them on a bus)...

maybe they can hire bo's team to run their get out the vote drive next time...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cubeless
the gay community is an election cycle behind the curve... they are still using jesse jackson's methods (whine after losing that the other side is mean) when they should have used obama's (if someone says they'd vote for you get them on a bus)...

maybe they can hire bo's team to run their get out the vote drive next time...

I can certainly see an improvement in methods, but it's ridiculous to say that they are "whining" when a majority of the people voted to restrict their rights as citizens. We can talk about tactics all we want, and there SHOULD be such a discussion, but don't forget that these are real people getting pissed on by the voters here...they have every right to be angry, don't you think?

 

[Jschmuck2]

Here's a particularly poignant picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/t...set-72157609166976676/

 

[cubeless]

angry at themselves, maybe...

you only have the rights that society gives you...

i think that their 'angry' tactics will backfire on them... why don't they use that energy in a positive way? i can guarantee that the mormons aren't going anywhere, and they will be 'justified' in opposing anything for these psychotic, uncivilized beasties due tho how they are acting towards a group that was just excersizing their political right...

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: cubeless
angry at themselves, maybe...

you only have the rights that society gives you...

i think that their 'angry' tactics will backfire on them... why don't they use that energy in a positive way? i can guarantee that the mormons aren't going anywhere, and they will be 'justified' in opposing anything for these psychotic, uncivilized beasties due tho how they are acting towards a group that was just excersizing their political right...

So you're saying they should just quietly oppose a church-backed initiative to strip their rights away?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: cubeless

you only have the rights that society gives you...

Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.

Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Here's a particularly poignant picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/t...set-72157609166976676/

I prefer this one :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/t...set-72157609166976676/

 

[Jschmuck2]

That one is good too 🙂

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubeless

you only have the rights that society gives you...

Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.

Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.

come, come now... those great words didn't apply to blacks for many years, and completely left out women...

so the lesson to be learned is that rhetoric is nice, but if you want to change something get out your vote...

and do you think that the blacks who voted against the gays were motivated by the mormons? i don't think there's a huge intersection there...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubeless

you only have the rights that society gives you...

Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.

Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.

come, come now... those great words didn't apply to blacks for many years, and completely left out women...

So you justify your own FUCKING BIGOTRY on the previously discredited, dispicable racial bigotry we may finally have started to overcome. Good thinking there, jackass. :roll:

so the lesson to be learned is that rhetoric is nice, but if you want to change something get out your vote...

NO! The lesson is that FUCKING BIGOTS are only willing to regard the great words and lessons of history if they allow them to continue to be FUCKING BIGOTS and disregarded those words and lessons if they don't.

and do you think that the blacks who voted against the gays were motivated by the mormons? i don't think there's a huge intersection there...

You're back to the same stupid argument. Bigotry is no more justified by those formerly oppressed by bigotry than it is by anyone else.

I don't know, and I don't care who you think you are, but I hope that, someday, some group deprives YOU of YOUR civil rights based only on whatever dumbass distinction they can draw between themselves and you.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubeless

you only have the rights that society gives you...

Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.

Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.

come, come now... those great words didn't apply to blacks for many years, and completely left out women...

So you justify your own FUCKING BIGOTRY on the previously discredited, dispicable racial bigotry we may finally have started to overcome. Good thinking there, jackass. :roll:

so the lesson to be learned is that rhetoric is nice, but if you want to change something get out your vote...

NO! The lesson is that FUCKING BIGOTS are only willing to regard the great words and lessons of history if they allow them to continue to be FUCKING BIGOTS and disregarded those words and lessons if they don't.

and do you think that the blacks who voted against the gays were motivated by the mormons? i don't think there's a huge intersection there...

You're back to the same stupid argument. Bigotry is no more justified by those formerly oppressed by bigotry than it is by anyone else.

I don't know, and I don't care who you think you are, but I hope that, someday, some group deprives YOU of YOUR civil rights based only on whatever dumbass distinction they can draw between themselves and you.

whoa, your powerful debating skills have certainly influenced my thinking...

i was merely looking at tactics, not specifically the issue...

and it seems my 'rights' (basically my treatment by the laws of the land) are going to be changed... if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ShSs4KvS8

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: cubeless
if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...

Good I hope it makes you want to leave :thumbsup:

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: cubeless
if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...

Good I hope it makes you want to leave :thumbsup:

umm, why would i do that?

seems odd that you wouldn't want me to stay so that i can continue to contribute to the economy... are you so fearful of those who do not wholly agree with all of your positions that you plan to not allow them to exist in your brave new country???

 

[piasabird]

Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!

So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.

 

[cubeless]

ummm, yeah, right on... take that dave and your ilk... you bunch of gay activist sayers... the people have spoken... and they didn't even do it angrily... so there...

(something about the enemy of my enemy being my friend tries to drift into my thoughts but remains insubstantial and will not coalesce...)

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!

So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.

Maybe the Mormons can pass another moral law so they can continue to rape children why they wear their special underwear? But those immoral queers shouldn't be allowed to marry, right?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: cubeless

whoa, your powerful debating skills have certainly influenced my thinking...

i was merely looking at tactics, not specifically the issue...

and it seems my 'rights' (basically my treatment by the laws of the land) are going to be changed... if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...

So your "tactic" is to dive off into taxation, an issue unrelated to gay rights in any way because you can't defend your fucking bigotry.

I don't give a rat's ass whether my powerful debating skills have influenced your thinking. "Powerful debating skills" and your "thinking" do not appear to be part of your skill set.

Congratulations on becoming affluent. Enough money may help buy your way through a lot of your own manifest stupidity. :roll:

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!

So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.

If people like you are who populates heaven why the fuck would any sane person want to go there?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

All opponents of gay rights are fighting a losing battle. Young people shot down Prop 8. 70-30. Gay marriage is the next major Civil Rights issue in this country.

You're simply standing in the way of progress, fighting a battle you will lose. But go ahead and keep pouring millions thinking you're going to stop social progress.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!

So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.

If people like you are who populates heaven why the fuck would any sane person want to go there?

Funny you should bring that up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLnSJo3Z-Iw

LOL

Mormons are against gay marriage, but what do they believe in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo

yikes

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
All opponents of gay rights are fighting a losing battle. Young people shot down Prop 8. 70-30. Gay marriage is the next major Civil Rights issue in this country.

You're simply standing in the way of progress, fighting a battle you will lose. But go ahead and keep pouring millions thinking you're going to stop social progress.

Thank you .. the sooner we start getting along.. the sooner we can try to focus on the shit that really matters.. Like curing cancer and depression and other diseases..

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubeless

whoa, your powerful debating skills have certainly influenced my thinking...

i was merely looking at tactics, not specifically the issue...

and it seems my 'rights' (basically my treatment by the laws of the land) are going to be changed... if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...

So your "tactic" is to dive off into taxation, an issue unrelated to gay rights in any way because you can't defend your fucking bigotry.

I don't give a rat's ass whether my powerful debating skills have influenced your thinking. "Powerful debating skills" and your "thinking" do not appear to be part of your skill set.

Congratulations on becoming affluent. Enough money may help buy your way through a lot of your own manifest stupidity. :roll:

not that i want you to bust an aneurism or anything and not be around to get married at some point (to the entity of your choice), but you brought up the issue of taking away my rights... i was just trying to make you feel better that i was getting stepped on...

i didn't vote against your proposition, and actually am not your enemy in this cause, but your silly personal attacks sure make it easier to be less sympathetic to your cause...