Originally posted by: db
Would Jesus lie in order to pass a law?
No.
So why is it ok for church leaders to support a campaign that uses lies to pass a law?
Originally posted by: cubeless
the gay community is an election cycle behind the curve... they are still using jesse jackson's methods (whine after losing that the other side is mean) when they should have used obama's (if someone says they'd vote for you get them on a bus)...
maybe they can hire bo's team to run their get out the vote drive next time...
Originally posted by: cubeless
angry at themselves, maybe...
you only have the rights that society gives you...
i think that their 'angry' tactics will backfire on them... why don't they use that energy in a positive way? i can guarantee that the mormons aren't going anywhere, and they will be 'justified' in opposing anything for these psychotic, uncivilized beasties due tho how they are acting towards a group that was just excersizing their political right...
Originally posted by: cubeless
you only have the rights that society gives you...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Here's a particularly poignant picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t...set-72157609166976676/
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: cubeless
you only have the rights that society gives you...
Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...
That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.
Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: cubeless
you only have the rights that society gives you...
Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...
That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.
Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.
come, come now... those great words didn't apply to blacks for many years, and completely left out women...
so the lesson to be learned is that rhetoric is nice, but if you want to change something get out your vote...
and do you think that the blacks who voted against the gays were motivated by the mormons? i don't think there's a huge intersection there...
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: cubeless
you only have the rights that society gives you...
Umm... That's not what the founders of our nation said. The Declaration of Independence says:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...
That would appear to include even the dogmatic religious wingnuts who want to deny the same rights to other citizens who don't happen to accept your brand of KoolAid.
Maybe, instead, it would be a better idea to outlaw marriages between Christians, or at least to prohibit churches from performing marriages recognized under civil law, because they don't want to allow others to enjoy the same civil rights, privileges and duties afforded to other citizens.
come, come now... those great words didn't apply to blacks for many years, and completely left out women...
So you justify your own FUCKING BIGOTRY on the previously discredited, dispicable racial bigotry we may finally have started to overcome. Good thinking there, jackass. :roll:
so the lesson to be learned is that rhetoric is nice, but if you want to change something get out your vote...
NO! The lesson is that FUCKING BIGOTS are only willing to regard the great words and lessons of history if they allow them to continue to be FUCKING BIGOTS and disregarded those words and lessons if they don't.
and do you think that the blacks who voted against the gays were motivated by the mormons? i don't think there's a huge intersection there...
You're back to the same stupid argument. Bigotry is no more justified by those formerly oppressed by bigotry than it is by anyone else.
I don't know, and I don't care who you think you are, but I hope that, someday, some group deprives YOU of YOUR civil rights based only on whatever dumbass distinction they can draw between themselves and you.
Originally posted by: cubeless
if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: cubeless
if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...
Good I hope it makes you want to leave :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!
So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.
Originally posted by: cubeless
whoa, your powerful debating skills have certainly influenced my thinking...
i was merely looking at tactics, not specifically the issue...
and it seems my 'rights' (basically my treatment by the laws of the land) are going to be changed... if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...
Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!
So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what some facist nazi Gay Activists Say? It is tyrany to let a few people force an entire nation to the will of some Gay Activists, that all of traditional Americans consider wrong. The people have spoken!
So what the gays are saying is they are upset because a few mormons proved that they have better organization and are better at delivering their message of Morality, which is something gay people do not have. When good people say nothing evil wins. When good people organize and speak up then evil shows its true face. On thing is sure the gay activists are looking more and more evil.
If people like you are who populates heaven why the fuck would any sane person want to go there?
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
All opponents of gay rights are fighting a losing battle. Young people shot down Prop 8. 70-30. Gay marriage is the next major Civil Rights issue in this country.
You're simply standing in the way of progress, fighting a battle you will lose. But go ahead and keep pouring millions thinking you're going to stop social progress.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: cubeless
whoa, your powerful debating skills have certainly influenced my thinking...
i was merely looking at tactics, not specifically the issue...
and it seems my 'rights' (basically my treatment by the laws of the land) are going to be changed... if taxation is modified as is purported by the new administration you 'fucking bigots' who don't like that i have become affluent are going to take away some of my right to spend my income as i desire...
So your "tactic" is to dive off into taxation, an issue unrelated to gay rights in any way because you can't defend your fucking bigotry.
I don't give a rat's ass whether my powerful debating skills have influenced your thinking. "Powerful debating skills" and your "thinking" do not appear to be part of your skill set.
Congratulations on becoming affluent. Enough money may help buy your way through a lot of your own manifest stupidity. :roll:
