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Tiananmen

Ichinisan said:
I don't know what you're trying to say, but I hope it's respectful to the victims of the massacre and the entire population that continues to suffer under an oppressive totalitarian government.
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I'd rather we overthrow our oppressive government than whine about how we tried and failed.
 
shortylickens said:
I'd rather we overthrow our oppressive government than whine about how we tried and failed.
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Are you belittling their sacrifice by saying that the protests at Tiananmen Square were merely a failed Western operation? They didn't legitimately want freedom? They were just manipulated stooges? Pawns serving our interests?

Next you're going to tell me the Hong Kong protesters don't legitimately want to preserve their freedom and that the extradition law effectively giving China complete rule over Hong Kong citizens (in Hong Kong!) was good for them. They should be happy.
 
BoomerD said:
CZroe, IIRC, you're not Chinese...why do you care so much?
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This isn't an affront to ethnic Chinese. This is an affront to freedom-loving people around the world.

The people in Tiananmen wanted the freedoms we take for granted. The people in Hong Kong merely want to preserve the freedoms they already had. When you see them out on the streets begging for The West and the USA in particular to support them, you don't feel any thing at all?

I dreamed of living in Hong Kong some day. Not anymore. As if it were already 2047, I pity the people who live there and have to watch their freedoms erode.

Thanks to government suppression and no freedom of speech the majority of mainland Chinese will never know what happened at Tinanmen. The same thing will happen as the memories of Hong Kong's freedom fade away and people aren't even allowed to know.

We've all seen what their suppression is capable of. Only days ago Dr. Li Wenliang's widow was forced to provide a statement for CCP outlets to look over before disseminating. In it she was pressured to condemn the West for naming a street near a Chinese embassy after her husband... claiming he wouldn't want it because he was a Communist party member. That doesn't even make sense. Didn't they already apologize for his arrest?! They should support the measure then. Doesn't sound like they are actually sorry at all, does it?
 
CZroe said:
This isn't an affront to ethnic Chinese. This is an affront to freedom-loving people around the world.

The people in Tiananmen wanted the freedoms we take for granted. The people in Hong Kong merely want to preserve the freedoms they already had. When you see them out on the streets begging for The West and the USA in particular to support them, you don't feel any thing at all?

I dreamed of living in Hong Kong some day. Not anymore. As if it were already 2047, I pity the people who live there and have to watch their freedoms erode.

Thanks to government suppression and no freedom of speech the majority of mainland Chinese will never know what happened at Tinanmen. The same thing will happen as the memories of Hong Kong's freedom fade away and people aren't even allowed to know.

We've all seen what their suppression is capable of. Only days ago Dr. Li Wenliang's widow was forced to provide a statement for CCP outlets to look over before disseminating. In it she was pressured to condemn the West for naming a street near a Chinese embassy after her husband... claiming he wouldn't want it because he was a Communist party member. That doesn't even make sense. Didn't they already apologize for his arrest?! They should support the measure then. Doesn't sound like they are actually sorry at all, does it?
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It's fucking China...the Chinese government has never cared about the lives of its citizens...kill one, there's a million more waiting to take his place. They seem to be more about saving face than actually caring.
 
BoomerD said:
It's fucking China...the Chinese government has never cared about the lives of its citizens...kill one, there's a million more waiting to take his place. They seem to be more about saving face than actually caring.
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...and that is why we must remember and spread the memory of Tiananmen.
 
sdifox said:
You need to spread it in China...
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How do you think it gets there if we let the rest of the world forget? Osmosis. There are many Chinese abroad. The Confuscious Institutes abroad can't keep them all in the dark.

spacejamz said:
it appears that the OP is not a Sean Connery/Nicholas Cage fan...and don't forget Vanessa Marcil...
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Sean Connery is pro-Taiwan and presumably supports Hong Kong's autonomy. Don't know the relevance of the others.
 
CZroe said:
Sean Connery is pro-Taiwan and presumably supports Hong Kong's autonomy. Don't know the relevance of the others.
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do these phrases ring a bell?

Dude, you just fucked up your Ferrari...

She thinks it's dumb to spend $600 on an LP.
Why didn't you just spend $13 on a CD?
Well, first of all, I'm a Beatlemaniac. And second, these sound better.
 
lxskllr said:
The Chinese are trusted trading partners. I prefer to save my wrath for commies like the Cubans. Fuck Cuba, They're a threat to all good Americans, and the American way of life.
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That's problem #1. The Chinese should not be trusted. I blame Richard Nixon.
 
rh71 said:
So what's your opinion on people spreading hate?
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I don't know how anyone has the energy to do it. Hate is difficult. You can't casually "hate" anyone or anything...you have to actively work at it.
Dislike...strongly, sure. Rail against something or someone...you betcha...but hate? Too fucking much effort for me.
 
spacejamz said:
it appears that the OP is not a Sean Connery/Nicholas Cage fan...and don't forget Vanessa Marcil...
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??

I loved "Raising Arizona" and I thought "Con Air" was fun.

I can't recall anything I loved with Connery but I don't hate him.

"Vanessa Marcil" - who? Not familiar with her.
 
CZroe said:
Are you belittling their sacrifice by saying that the protests at Tiananmen Square were merely a failed Western operation? They didn't legitimately want freedom? They were just manipulated stooges? Pawns serving our interests?

Next you're going to tell me the Hong Kong protesters don't legitimately want to preserve their freedom and that the extradition law effectively giving China complete rule over Hong Kong citizens (in Hong Kong!) was good for them. They should be happy.
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I think shorty just bitter that he never got to fuck the prom queen.
 
Ichinisan said:
??

I loved "Raising Arizona" and I thought "Con Air" was fun.

I can't recall anything I loved with Connery but I don't hate him.

"Vanessa Marcil" - who? Not familiar with her.
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the earlier quote about the Prom Queen came from "The Rock"

Vannesa Marcil played Cage's wife in the movie...she was also the in the TV show Vegas...she was married to Corey Feldman back in the 90's1591385469831.png
 
Stopsignhank said:
I think we have to care more about our citizens right now than the citizens of another country.
In other words, we have enough shit going on.
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proper answer: we can do two things at once.

better answer: that sounds a lot like the same excuse given every time, all the time, whenever things are heated in the US. In the end, the same people saying this thing will just continue to do nothing until it "blows over," assume everything is fixed, then just complacently sail on as everything returns the status quo of the wealthy getting even wealthier, you and me getting poorer, and the minorities getting still getting firehosed.
 
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