Throckmorton
Lifer
Amused defending intelligent design-- It fits his pattern perfectly.
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Amused defending intelligent design-- It fits his pattern perfectly.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
He's clearly a just a puppet for the conservative agenda.
Chiropteran
Diamond Member
qft
FeuerFrei
Diamond Member
I kept waiting to be blown out of the water and I wasn't.
Yes, somehow order magically prevailed out of chaos and intricate functional life forms materialized. Because, given enough time, anything can happen. And we will use flawed scientific methods to back up our conclusions because we insist on a Godless worldview. Of course scientists are never wrong, smart people would never lie to us, and consensus is unassailable. >_<
Open your minds people.
The capacity for deception is great, because the need for illusion is deep.
good going, Mr. Stein :thumbsup:
Yes, somehow order magically prevailed out of chaos and intricate functional life forms materialized. Because, given enough time, anything can happen. And we will use flawed scientific methods to back up our conclusions because we insist on a Godless worldview. Of course scientists are never wrong, smart people would never lie to us, and consensus is unassailable. >_<
Open your minds people.
The capacity for deception is great, because the need for illusion is deep.
good going, Mr. Stein :thumbsup:
Throckmorton
Lifer
You're projecting notions of "order and chaos" on nature.
I have no idea how you can dispute something as fundamental as natural selection. Would you refer to bacteria becoming antibiotic resistant as "order out of chaos" and therefore impossible without God? Wouldn't that mean that God makes bacteria resistant to our drugs?
RapidSnail
Diamond Member
Elementary question:
I've been puzzled by the concept of vertical evolution. I know microevolution has been observed and is a fact, but from what can science make the leap to drastic morphological adaption? I know it takes places with small changes over time (Ma's & Ga's), but if it's never been seen (and I don't mean on a microscopic or intra-species level, a.k.a microevolution). Since we can't stick around that long, is the assumption founded in an acceptance of Darwin's theory based on what makes the best sense currently? We either came from a common template or a common ancestor, and science follows the common ancestor theory because that's what has been agreed upon as the best explanation for diversity, right?
I've been puzzled by the concept of vertical evolution. I know microevolution has been observed and is a fact, but from what can science make the leap to drastic morphological adaption? I know it takes places with small changes over time (Ma's & Ga's), but if it's never been seen (and I don't mean on a microscopic or intra-species level, a.k.a microevolution). Since we can't stick around that long, is the assumption founded in an acceptance of Darwin's theory based on what makes the best sense currently? We either came from a common template or a common ancestor, and science follows the common ancestor theory because that's what has been agreed upon as the best explanation for diversity, right?
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
Ben actually IS intelligent. It's just that even some intelligent people believe in fairy tales. Nobody can argue that side of this particular argument and sound intelligent although they can be intelligent on other matters.
Damn, that guy's voice is annoying. It doesn't take much creativity (or intelligence, for that matter) to take someone's statement out of context and pretend to be smarter by attacking the statement as it stands alone.
I have no idea what Ben Stein's true stance on evolution is, even after watching that video (since it was just one statement after another chopped up, spliced, and served up on a nice strawman platter for the annoying Brit to devour), other than I seem to get the hint that he wasn't a big fan of Darwin.
I have no idea what Ben Stein's true stance on evolution is, even after watching that video (since it was just one statement after another chopped up, spliced, and served up on a nice strawman platter for the annoying Brit to devour), other than I seem to get the hint that he wasn't a big fan of Darwin.
MrPickins
Diamond Member
Phokus
Lifer
Of course Ben Stein is wrong. If we followed his way, every dumbass crackpot will be able to officially call his 'theory' of how we came about "science", without passing any actual rigorous scientific process.
This movie caters to the very dumb asses in this country that are bringing our country down in the biotechnology race.
if you accept microevolution, and you accept the world is billions of years old, then you pretty much accept macroevolution because it is the same thing, :"microevolution" is a cop out, one of those last ditch efforts by idiots until we do observe evolution to new species, which we probably already have with simpler organisms. christian "scientists" tend to hold on to aspects we don't fully understand until we do understand them, then they go on to the next thing we don't fully understand and claim that as the reason evolution can't be right.
the evidence for evolution stares you in the face daily. just look at dogs, all the endless varieties came from one species of wolf only a few thousands of years ago. imagine what we will have if humans keep breeding them for a million years, just imagine what we will have. then step back and realize a million years is a fraction of the age of the Earth. a million years is only about 1/4500th of how long it has existed. the few thousand years it has taken for all the breeds of dogs to show up if a fraction of that.. I think people who don't understand evolution don't understand just how long 4.5 billion years is. Sit down and think about it some time, your 60-100 years on this Earth is almost nothing in comparison.
you call the difference between a yorkie and a great dane "microevolution" ? because it definately happened, those two dogs share the same ancestor.
How can people be taken seriously that ignore evidence like that? It's called blind faith, and it's dangerous, and most likely it's completely wrong.
the evidence for evolution stares you in the face daily. just look at dogs, all the endless varieties came from one species of wolf only a few thousands of years ago. imagine what we will have if humans keep breeding them for a million years, just imagine what we will have. then step back and realize a million years is a fraction of the age of the Earth. a million years is only about 1/4500th of how long it has existed. the few thousand years it has taken for all the breeds of dogs to show up if a fraction of that.. I think people who don't understand evolution don't understand just how long 4.5 billion years is. Sit down and think about it some time, your 60-100 years on this Earth is almost nothing in comparison.
you call the difference between a yorkie and a great dane "microevolution" ? because it definately happened, those two dogs share the same ancestor.
How can people be taken seriously that ignore evidence like that? It's called blind faith, and it's dangerous, and most likely it's completely wrong.
hellokeith
Golden Member
Fayd
Diamond Member
and because he might believe in intelligent design is CLEARLY a reason why you CAN'T like him now.
funny that.
why is it I can believe in science, evolution, and such and NOT have a problem with people who believe in creationism, intelligent design, god farted and there was life, or any other belief you might want to create.....and yet so many others take such things so personally.
it's pathetic imo.
this thread reminds me of when bill nye was debating an atmospheric physicist from MIT that global warming was real and a problem. and everybody on this dumb board was saying how stupid the atmospheric physicist was and how bill nye was making him look the fool.
the fact that so many of you can treat others with a different take on a situation than yourselves with such venom is disgusting to me.
It is. Granted, it's not like Ben Stein himself isn't doing the exact same thing, with regard to how he presents others' views. Your appraisal of the situation is an indictment that's equally applicable to both sides.
There's also reasonable people on both sides of the discussion, but they know better than to get caught up in this nonsense.
Cerpin Taxt
Lifer
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