You just helped me decide which CPU to replace my p3 500 with...a Coppermine 933. With the price drops already and more to come next week...I'm glad I get paid then!! I just don't want to buy a T-bird because everyone has one and then goes on bashing Intel (I've never been one to give in to peer pressure) Something I wonder though, is why anyone expects anything different than what we've seen with the P4? I mean, even Intel said it would not blow everyone away when it came to current software. I have a friend actually that works at the fab in Alberquerque NM, and he said he's actually talked with some of the engineers who were there on a tour, and they were kind of pissed. Why? Well, they are a competative lot, and they have to live with the fact that they sacrificed handing the Athlon its ass in Current benchmarks in order to have a architecture that would extend and perform well in the software of tommorow. They didn't like it, but they understood it was what was best for the industry as a whole. So, I guess I'm getting tired of all the P4 bashing on here, because everyone acts suprised. I'm what you'd call an Intel-Suporter, but until this price cut, I was considering going to T-bird just on price alone. Now I can do what I wanted to do....just my two cents.