Threadripper BUILDERS thread

[Markfw]

Well, I would think that more cores would be better for that. The 2950x, whenever it comes out, will still be on the same socket and chipset I believe.

 

[UsandThem]

Hey guys, just got my taxes back and am seriously considering buying a 1950x specially because they are on sale right this minute. Right now i am using the system in my Sig for Video and Audio Editing and Encoding.Would it make sense to upgrade to more cores with the 1950x?? Would you buy now or wait till 2950x gets release and how soon will that be?? Also is there going to be new chipset and motherboards coming?? Thanks...

Well, I would think that more cores would be better for that. The 2950x, whenever it comes out, will still be on the same socket and chipset I believe.

@Justinbaileyman

Didn't you switch from an Ryzen 1800X to a Coffee Lake system because of stability issues and bugs? I'd personally just stay with what you have for now if you currently don't have any problems. Like Markfw said, I don't think a Threadripper CPU will really help you for your stated use.

 

[scannall]

Hey guys, just got my taxes back and am seriously considering buying a 1950x specially because they are on sale right this minute. Right now i am using the system in my Sig for Video and Audio Editing and Encoding.Would it make sense to upgrade to more cores with the 1950x?? Would you buy now or wait till 2950x gets release and how soon will that be?? Also is there going to be new chipset and motherboards coming?? Thanks...

I wouldn't expect a 2950 until June or July.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

@Justinbaileyman

Didn't you switch from an Ryzen 1800X to a Coffee Lake system because of stability issues and bugs? I'd personally just stay with what you have for now if you currently don't have any problems. Like Markfw said, I don't think a Threadripper CPU will really help you for your stated use.

Tis True true true, I did in fact switch because of those reasons. I would think though that since it has been a year now, all those bugs should be all worked out. correct?? Oh and I wouldn't be parting with my current rig as it is going to be used as a gaming/media PC in the living room and the Threadripper will be put to the test as a work horse Video Editing/Encoder Machine among many other things. Mostly using Adobe Premiere and Kdenlive and some Handbrake.

 

[UsandThem]

Tis True true true, I did in fact switch because of those reasons. I would think though that since it has been a year now, all those bugs should be all worked out. correct?? Oh and I wouldn't be parting with my current rig as it is going to be used as a gaming/media PC in the living room and the Threadripper will be put to the test as a work horse Video Editing/Encoder Machine among many other things. Mostly using Adobe Premiere and Kdenlive and some Handbrake.

If that's the case, and since I don't own a Threadipper build, I'll let current owners chime in with their thoughts.

But my gut feeling is to just wait for Ryzen 2, and see what it brings to the table, and then you can decide what's better. The Threadripper platform offers raw performance for many uses, but at the expense of cost, heat, and power. If you won't gain anything from it compared to the regular Ryzen/Coffee Lake lineup, it doesn't make make sense unless you just want one to play around with.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Oh I don't mind waiting at all. The original plan for today was to buy a new GPU upgrade but the prices are insane. for that kind of price I could build myself an entire new Threadripper build. I guess this money is just burning a hole in my pocket LOL.

 

[Topweasel]

Oh I don't mind waiting at all. The original plan for today was to buy a new GPU upgrade but the prices are insane. for that kind of price I could build myself an entire new Threadripper build. I guess this money is just burning a hole in my pocket LOL.

Here are things we can be confident in. If there is a TR refresh, it will look a lot like 2 of the better chips 2950x will look like 2 2800x's and so on. 2 I don't see why there wouldn't be new boards and a new "chipset". 3 Don't expect them to be terribly different then what is already available (which should also be able to support TR2).

So the best plan would be to wait out Ryzen 2k (early April I believe). See what the new boards and new CPU's have to offer. Then decide if it's worth holding out for TR2 and paying the early adopter fee since you can get good discounts on a 1950x right now. But hopefully by march we will know if there will even be a TR2.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Ok that is 2 people telling me I should just wait to see what Ryzen 2 offers so I guess I should just hold off then.
Anyone have Benches for Adobe Premiere and Handbrake using the i7 8700k vs the 1950x?? Just want to see what kind of gains I will be getting. Hoping to to cut my Encoding times in half and would even be happy with up to one third the time.

 

[Markfw]

Ok that is 2 people telling me I should just wait to see what Ryzen 2 offers so I guess I should just hold off then.
Anyone have Benches for Adobe Premiere and Handbrake using the i7 8700k vs the 1950x?? Just want to see what kind of gains I will be getting. Hoping to to cut my Encoding times in half and would even be happy with up to one third the time.

I only saw one using the 7800x 6 core vs 1950x, and it won by 28% I think

 

[UsandThem]

I only saw one using the 7800x 6 core vs 1950x, and it won by 28% I think

And here shows the 7800X losing to the 8700k in Adobe:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...ormance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/

So comparing the two different results, it looks like a Threadripper 1950X would give you roughly about 19% better performance in Premiere over your 8700k.

 

[Markfw]

Well, there is one other consideration. Are you going to be patching for meltdown and Spectre ? If so, throw all the Intel results out, and start over, as the IO hit will change these results a lot I think

 

[Justinbaileyman]

No I have not patched anything yet due to reading something on M/S retracting the update for it or something like that?
Think I remember people saying it was causing lock ups or something odd like that.Have not had any issues as of yet so I will leave as is for now. I think I will wait till Ryzen 2 then and if it turns out it there is another sale I will hop on it. Was really hoping for more then a 19% boost in performance from what I am currently running.Not that I can't do the things I want to on my current Rig,cause it does everything I want very well. I am just very impatient when it comes to encoding and render tasks.

 

[mattiasnyc]

And here shows the 7800X losing to the 8700k in Adobe:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...ormance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/

So comparing the two different results, it looks like a Threadripper 1950X would give you roughly about 19% better performance in Premiere over your 8700k.

One thing I noticed with the Puget tests is that the total/conclusion is averaged and you really have to look into the specific tests to see which chip has an advantage in what situations. If I remember correctly de-noising for example was way quicker in some cases on Intel chips. So if your workflow involves a lot of de-noising and it's time sensitive then that's important. But if not, then your conclusion might change.

If I remember correctly....

 

[Markfw]

What I mean is, with your current setup, if you put in the patches, you will loose 30% or so in IO performance, and that affects encoding and rendering. If you went TR, your performance would go up.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yes I understand there will be some performance loss but 30%?? Holy moly, I thought it was only gonna be something like 5% or 6%. I still have the 1950x in my cart at newegg with code EMCPRPY63 I get $20 bucks off and $50 in Eggpoints from purchases over the years and $5 bucks left on a gift card brings it to $825.00 and I would still need a motherboard.Do you guys/gals have any coupon codes I could use to knock off a few more bucks so I could make this happen? Trying my darndess to get the Taichi Mobo. Was hoping to not go over $1000.00, but could stretch it to $1100.00 if need be.

Edit: Aww dont think its gonna happen, I just cant get the price under that $1100.00 mark. I'm still scouring the net for coupon codes but nothing is popping up. Been at it since 10:00..

 

[Crono]

Are you near a Microcenter? Got my 1950X for $700 (routinely at $800) from there at the end of last year, as well as an open box ASUS Prime X399-A motherboard for $263.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Are you near a Microcenter? Got my 1950X for $700 (routinely at $800) from there at the end of last year, as well as an open box ASUS Prime X399-A motherboard for $263.

No I dont have anything like that by me. I would kill for something like that in our area!! If I could get it at that price I would come in way under budget.. You lucky son of a guns!!

 

[Lordhumungus]

@Justinbaileyman there is a TR mobo combo in the FS forum and it’s in your price range.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

@Justinbaileyman there is a TR mobo combo in the FS forum and it’s in your price range.

Thanks for the heads up!! I took a look but its not really the motherboard I am looking for to bundle with the CPU. I am thinking for $1050.00 I still have room to be picky and choosy.Really wanting either the Gigabyte Gaming 7 or the TaiChi.
Gotta think about it before I buy on an impulse,although I may just snag up that GTX 1080 ti though.

 

[Lordhumungus]

Happy to help. I just happened to see that thread in passing and remembered you were trying to put something together. Also totally understand on wanting specific parts. For that much money it better be PERFECT. Good luck with your hunt.

 

[eek2121]

If my sources are correct (and they usually are pretty close, I expect they intentionally fudge things a bit to stay under the radar) Ryzen 2xxx and especially Threadripper 2xxx will have much better performance thanks to precision boost 2 and a few other tweaks. I will provide more details later.

 

[eek2121]

So, I removed the overclock on my 1950x temporarily to test out the new cooling setup (3000 rpm fans from noctua). It blew my mind. Running Prime95 at 'small' settings yields a max temp of 49.6C. The fans don't turn on until 50C, and only then they hit 25%. This means there is not a single fan running in my PC, not even my power supply or graphics card. The PC is absolutely silent. I've tried some other workloads as well, all keep things well below the 50C mark. Pretty interesting stuff. Anyway, I'll try and post my own thoughts on the 2xxx series later, especially with threadripper, because I'm expecting massive changes with the 2xxx series of threadripper....even more so than with Ryzen. I've been pretty accurate with my predictions and thats due to knowing a few industry insiders. The only thing I got wrong was Vega, and I strongly suspect AMD was intending to use a different node for Vega and they got locked out due to capacity constraints. There is some evidence to support this and I've had someone mention as such. I've been told that Vega was supposed to have a 1750 MHz base and a 2200 Mhz boost along with a competitive TDP with the 1080/1080ti. At any rate, old news.

 

[eek2121]

Yes I understand there will be some performance loss but 30%?? Holy moly, I thought it was only gonna be something like 5% or 6%. I still have the 1950x in my cart at newegg with code EMCPRPY63 I get $20 bucks off and $50 in Eggpoints from purchases over the years and $5 bucks left on a gift card brings it to $825.00 and I would still need a motherboard.Do you guys/gals have any coupon codes I could use to knock off a few more bucks so I could make this happen? Trying my darndess to get the Taichi Mobo. Was hoping to not go over $1000.00, but could stretch it to $1100.00 if need be.

Edit: Aww dont think its gonna happen, I just cant get the price under that $1100.00 mark. I'm still scouring the net for coupon codes but nothing is popping up. Been at it since 10:00..

30% performance loss with what? The 1950X is a beast. Let me know, I didn't see which app and I would like to investigate.

 

[Markfw]

30% performance loss with what? The 1950X is a beast. Let me know, I didn't see which app and I would like to investigate.

Intel boxes..... AMD does not have this hit.

 

[eek2121]

Intel boxes..... AMD does not have this hit.

I thought he meant that Threadripper was 30% slower at something. It's pretty much the best CPU you can buy for under a grand IMO.

EDIT, is there a way to put images in spoiler tags or something?