Threadripper BUILDERS thread

[Markfw]

I thought he meant that Threadripper was 30% slower at something. It's pretty much the best CPU you can buy for under a grand IMO.

EDIT, is there a way to put images in spoiler tags or something?

Well, the competitor for the 1950X is the 7960x ? (at least the same number of cores) but its $1700 !! compared to $840-$900. Now that chip may have 20% more performance (I can't remember the benchmark numbers), but its NOT twice as fast for almost twice the price. And TR is not affected by meltdown, which may change those numbers a lot. They range from 30% to 800% performance hit.

 

[boing]

If I had to choose between a Gigabyte X399 Aorus Gaming 7 or an MSI x399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC would there be any obvious benefits of one over the other?

I've looked at the specs and they seem pretty close but am looking for someone with experience to give me a real world assessment if you can. System will be for a Ryzen 1950, mostly for 3D rendering and not overclocked, probably going to boot off an M2 drive but other than that a standard set up.

Any thoughts?

 

[Markfw]

If I had to choose between a Gigabyte X399 Aorus Gaming 7 or an MSI x399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC would there be any obvious benefits of one over the other?

I've looked at the specs and they seem pretty close but am looking for someone with experience to give me a real world assessment if you can. System will be for a Ryzen 1950, mostly for 3D rendering and not overclocked, probably going to boot off an M2 drive but other than that a standard set up.

Any thoughts?

Why not the Taichi ? I have 3 of them

 

[boing]

Why not the Taichi ? I have 3 of them

Well, ideally I'd like 3 x 3.1 gen 2 USB ports and the Taichi only has two, that was the main killer for me. If it offered a performance boost over the other two I'd take the inconvenience but I don't think it does.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Well, ideally I'd like 3 x 3.1 gen 2 USB ports and the Taichi only has two, that was the main killer for me. If it offered a performance boost over the other two I'd take the inconvenience but I don't think it does.

The X370/X399 chipset only supports two 10Gbit USB3 ports. May as well add a 3rd party controller if you need more, the X399 platform has more then enough lanes for add-on cards. I don't think there are any boards currently with more then two anyway. Unless you use a bracket adaptor from the internal 10Gbit USB3 header. Some boards have such a header, but still rely on a 3rd party controller for the additional ports.

 

[boing]

The X370/X399 chipset only supports two 10Gbit USB3 ports. May as well add a 3rd party controller if you need more, the X399 platform has more then enough lanes for add-on cards. I don't think there are any boards currently with more then two anyway. Unless you use a bracket adaptor from the internal 10Gbit USB3 header. Some boards have such a header, but still rely on a 3rd party controller for the additional ports.

OK, now I'm confused, the pdf spec page for the MSI board here https://www.msi.com/pdf/presale/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC lists it as having 3 x 3.1 gen 2 connections.

 

[scannall]

Why not the Taichi ? I have 3 of them

As an aside, I see Asrock offers a X399 Taichi motherboard in the mATX for factor now. Taichi mATX

The socket looks huge on that little board!

 

[LTC8K6]

OK, now I'm confused, the pdf spec page for the MSI board here https://www.msi.com/pdf/presale/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC lists it as having 3 x 3.1 gen 2 connections.

• ASMedia® ASM3142 Chipset
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-C port on the back panel
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-A port on the back panel
• AMD® X399 Chipset
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-C port through the internal USB connector
- 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) ports available through the internal USB connectors
- 6 x USB 2.0 (High-speed USB) ports (2 Type-A ports on the back panel, 4 ports available through the internal USB connectors)
• AMD® CPU
- 8 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) Type-A ports on the back panel

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC/Specification

 

[boing]

• ASMedia® ASM3142 Chipset
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-C port on the back panel
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-A port on the back panel
• AMD® X399 Chipset
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-C port through the internal USB connector
- 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) ports available through the internal USB connectors
- 6 x USB 2.0 (High-speed USB) ports (2 Type-A ports on the back panel, 4 ports available through the internal USB connectors)
• AMD® CPU
- 8 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) Type-A ports on the back panel

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC/Specification

So that's saying the internal 3.1 gen 2 can be attached to the front panel to give you 3 USB 3 gen 2 ports, right?

 

[LTC8K6]

So that's saying the internal 3.1 gen 2 can be attached to the front panel to give you 3 USB 3 gen 2 ports, right?

Here it says:

Internal I/O Connectors

- 1 x 24-pin ATX main power connector
- 2 x 8-pin ATX 12V power connector
- 1 x 6-pin ATX 12V power connector*
- 8 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors
- 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (supports additional 4 USB 2.0 ports)
- 2 x USB 3.1 Gen1 connectors (supports additional 4 USB 3.1 Gen1 ports)
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C port
- 1 x 4-pin CPU fan connector
- 1 x 4-pin Water Pump connector
- 4 x 4-pin system fan connectors
- 2 x Front panel connectors
- 1 x Front panel audio connector
- 2 x RGB LED connector
- 1 x TPM module connector
- 1 x LED demo connector
- 1 x Rest Button
- 1 x Power Button
- 1 x OC Button
- 1 x Chassis Intrusion connector
- 1 x clear CMOS header
* Provides additional power to PCIe x16 slots

 

[eek2121]

Stay Away From MSI (Unless you like buggy, routinely broken BIOS updates)

EDIT: Specifically the x399 Carbon, but apparently their other x399 board is worse. (though I do like the sound output on the x399 carbon)

 

[Charlie22911]

Stay Away From MSI (Unless you like buggy, routinely broken BIOS updates)

EDIT: Specifically the x399 Carbon, but apparently their other x399 board is worse. (though I do like the sound output on the x399 carbon)

My experience has been the same at least on my x99 Godlike Carbon. ASRock is my new go-to.

 

[boing]

My experience has been the same at least on my x99 Godlike Carbon. ASRock is my new go-to.

Stay Away From MSI (Unless you like buggy, routinely broken BIOS updates)

EDIT: Specifically the x399 Carbon, but apparently their other x399 board is worse. (though I do like the sound output on the x399 carbon)

I've read a few amazon reviews that mention long boot time and BIOS issues on MSI X399 boards but I was hoping they were freak issues. Damn.

If the Gigabyte X399 Aorus Gaming 7 board has 3 x 3.1 gen 2 USB ports I could go for that but it's really not clear that it does.

The next option on the list for me was the Asus ROG Strix X399-E Gaming but being E-atx it limits me more on case choice.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

So that's saying the internal 3.1 gen 2 can be attached to the front panel to give you 3 USB 3 gen 2 ports, right?

Yes. You can use the internal header for either a front panel mounted port, or a PCI bracket mounted port. Just need the right adaptor.

And you can add a PCIe card with more. If you go all out, you can even get something like this:

https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Cards/4-port-usb-3-1-card~PEXUSB314A2V

 

[boing]

Yes. You can use the internal header for either a front panel mounted port, or a PCI bracket mounted port. Just need the right adaptor.

And you can add a PCIe card with more. If you go all out, you can even get something like this:

https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Cards/4-port-usb-3-1-card~PEXUSB314A2V

Excellent, thanks. They don't make the spec sheets clear for moderate tech user....

 

[dlerious]

Looks like my build will have to wait a little longer. I have everything to put it together now that my EVGA P2 1600W PSU arrived, but I forgot the most important thing - UPS. Looks like anything that can handle 1600W requires NEMA 5-20. Unfortunately I only have NEMA 5-15 outlets in the computer room. Thinking about grabbing a Seasonic Platinum 1300W and Cyberpower OL1500RTXL2U now. Retirement sucks.

 

[Markfw]

Looks like my build will have to wait a little longer. I have everything to put it together now that my EVGA P2 1600W PSU arrived, but I forgot the most important thing - UPS. Looks like anything that can handle 1600W requires NEMA 5-20. Unfortunately I only have NEMA 5-15 outlets in the computer room. Thinking about grabbing a Seasonic Platinum 1300W and Cyberpower OL1500RTXL2U now. Retirement sucks.

I have 2 1080TI's and my TR and video cards all on full power only take 702 watts. If I OC the heck out of it, it goes over 900 watts, but 1200-1300 should be fine.

Unless you have 4 video cards and 10 hard drives or something.

 

[dlerious]

I have 2 1080TI's and my TR and video cards all on full power only take 702 watts. If I OC the heck out of it, it goes over 900 watts, but 1200-1300 should be fine.

Unless you have 4 video cards and 10 hard drives or something.

I'll have a Vega64 with a 1080Ti. If I add a third card it'll be something like a low end PCIe x1 for console output. I'm probably looking at about 6 drives (+ nvme). I'll probably check to see what kind of OC I can get, but I want stability more than speed - and I'm only using DDR-2400 ECC UDIMMs.

 

[Markfw]

I'll have a Vega64 with a 1080Ti. If I add a third card it'll be something like a low end PCIe x1 for console output. I'm probably looking at about 6 drives (+ nvme). I'll probably check to see what kind of OC I can get, but I want stability more than speed - and I'm only using DDR-2400 ECC UDIMMs.

Then 1300 should be plenty. Just put a kill-a-watt on it after the build, and keep firing everything up (loaded) one at a time and watch the power go up. So long as you don't go over about 80% of the rated power of the PSU (A good one) you can run forever. So 960 watts for a 1200. I don't know what the drives will take, but at 10 watts each, and a big OC, and everything screaming, thats right at 960. A 1300 would be even better.

 

[dlerious]

Then 1300 should be plenty. Just put a kill-a-watt on it after the build, and keep firing everything up (loaded) one at a time and watch the power go up. So long as you don't go over about 80% of the rated power of the PSU (A good one) you can run forever. So 960 watts for a 1200. I don't know what the drives will take, but at 10 watts each, and a big OC, and everything screaming, thats right at 960. A 1300 would be even better.

I have a pretty old kill-a-watt around somewhere. Don't remember if it'll go that high. I've been checking what my UPS reports for my other builds - 1800X(3.9) with 1080Ti and 27" monitor draws 111W at idle, seen max at 335W gaming.

 

[Viper GTS]

I somehow wandered into this. Oops.

I saw Walmart had 8700k for $315 so I started looking at that, then realized 1900X was only $399 at Microcenter before a motherboard bundle.

Ended up at an open box 1950X @ ~$720, Gigabyte X399 Designare from Amazon, and the Liqtech 360 that should fit my ancient Obsidian 800D.

Not too bad I think. This will be my first AMD box since I think my dual socket Tyan pushing twenty years ago.

Viper GTS

 

[eek2121]

I hope that AMD's tweaks to this years refresh are enough to help some of the single core performance. Don't get me wrong, Threadripper is a beast, it chomps through everything I throw at it, but when I see a single core score of 180 when the CPU is clocked to 4.4 GHz in Cinebench R15...then realize the 8700k gets over 200, I realize that AMD has some catching up to do. That being said, I still think Threadripper is the best chip for under $1,000 that one can buy. It has far more versatility vs the 8700k.

 

[eek2121]

I have a pretty old kill-a-watt around somewhere. Don't remember if it'll go that high. I've been checking what my UPS reports for my other builds - 1800X(3.9) with 1080Ti and 27" monitor draws 111W at idle, seen max at 335W gaming.

My machine running prime95 (4.1 GHz OC) as well as maxxing out the GPU never comes close to 600 watts even. That's according to a UPS with a cable modem, router, and 2 monitors hooked up. My 850 watt PS has been just fine so far. According to HwInfo, the max CPU load itself was something like 340 watts.

 

[eek2121]

Well, the competitor for the 1950X is the 7960x ? (at least the same number of cores) but its $1700 !! compared to $840-$900. Now that chip may have 20% more performance (I can't remember the benchmark numbers), but its NOT twice as fast for almost twice the price. And TR is not affected by meltdown, which may change those numbers a lot. They range from 30% to 800% performance hit.

Bit of an old post, but I have been wanting to respond to this for a while. I think it is better to compare based on price point vs # cores, clock speed, etc. If AMD released a 32 core Threadripper for $1700, where would we be then? Besides shit out of luck when it comes to cooling. 😀

 

[IEC]

FYI for those of you who bought the EK Supremacy EVO Threadripper water blocks before 24 Nov 2017... EK made an official statement apologizing and is offering us a $25 coupon code:
https://videocardz.com/press-releas...macy-evo-threadripper-water-block-design-flaw

It did decently despite the obvious design shortcomings... but really, look at the differences between the old and new designs, wow.

Direct link:
https://www.ekwb.com/news/an-apology-from-ek-to-the-enthusiasts/