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Thoughts on pedophilia.

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As much as I hate to say it , I think viewing of images that contain child pornography is a very grey area . Suppose someone wanted to get even with you, gained access to your home and put child porn images on your pc, later police are tipped off about your 'collection' , you can be convicted and no matter how good a father or mother you are or how many people say you are a good person you can be convicted of a sex crime. I realize that is the very very small minority of people caught but the idea that just having a document in your possession that can lead to jail time is a scary idea and I can't think of anything else like it that you can possess that has such a harsh penalty.
 
DesiPower said:
Surgical castration is a good solution. Lot of controversy over death penalty, jailing them for life is a waste of taxpayer dollars, forcing them to register and live in restricted parts of town is not a very safe and effective solution, IMHO, surgical castration will send a strong message and solve the problem. Sending them to mental institution is a stupid solution that will cost a lot more
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You really should read up on Alan Turing. The same thing was thought about homosexuals in WWII. Turing even submitted himself to chemical castration, and later killed himself due to the way society pressured him as being wrong. While pedophiles are scum, you have no idea how much I hate them, I don't think that demonizing them will solve the problem.
 
sourceninja said:
Proof? Surely there has to be a few studies on this.
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There are. A quick Google search will turn them up, notably a report from C. Sullivan in New Zealand. Trying to find the actual paper, not just summaries, but apparently this study actually showed that there is a link between watching child pornography and acting on it.

Why would someone product ANY product if there were not a demand for it? Why do you think beastiality is not a huge market? It happens, sure, and it is illegal...but there is nearly no market for it, so it isn't a major industry.
 
Modelworks said:
You really should read up on Alan Turing. The same thing was thought about homosexuals in WWII. Turing even submitted himself to chemical castration, and later killed himself due to the way society pressured him as being wrong. While pedophiles are scum, you have no idea how much I hate them, I don't think that demonizing them will solve the problem.
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Not demonizing. Castrating or killing. If predilection toward young children is a genetic trait, those that do not have willpower to overcome it should be taken out of the gene pool. Evolution.

Plus, if it was automatic castration, I'm sure that would keep more people in line and not act on their impulses. Every person on earth has impulses they must control...pedophiles are no different. Control it or be punished. Harshly.
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
There are. A quick Google search will turn them up, notably a report from C. Sullivan in New Zealand. Trying to find the actual paper, not just summaries, but apparently this study actually showed that there is a link between watching child pornography and acting on it.

Why would someone product ANY product if there were not a demand for it? Why do you think beastiality is not a huge market? It happens, sure, and it is illegal...but there is nearly no market for it, so it isn't a major industry.
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Let me get this straight, the lack of demand for pictures of people having sex with animals keeps people from having sex with animals?

So you are saying that normal people, who do not normally have sex with animals, would film themselves having sex with animals if they thought someone on the internet wanted to see it? This also means that if the money was good enough, a person who is not sexually attracted to abusing children with access to children would suddenly decide now is a good time to get sexually aroused by children because there is money in it?

I think that the abuse happens no matter if there is demand or not. The demand just dictates if they film it. What is being said here is that we would beat our children if the price was right. I just don't buy it.

I am saying that people who abuse will abuse with our without a camera. I'd almost go so far as to say the filming might actually make it easier for us to find and stop them.
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
Not demonizing. Castrating or killing. If predilection toward young children is a genetic trait, those that do not have willpower to overcome it should be taken out of the gene pool. Evolution.
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You have a poor understanding of genetics. I would wager that pedophiles rarely reproduce already. If it is genetic then it is not going to be a simple genetic link, it is almost certainly a complex link that includes an allele that is helpful most of the time, but when triggered just right (or wrong as the case my be) takes a strange left turn at Albuquerque.

Plus, if it was automatic castration, I'm sure that would keep more people in line and not act on their impulses. Every person on earth has impulses they must control...pedophiles are no different. Control it or be punished. Harshly.
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Also wrong. There is a tipping point in the punishment/reward perception that once you reach a certain degree of punishment you will have stopped all instances of the behavior you can can stop with punishment, after that point no amount of punishment will prevent the remaining occurrences of that behavior. After that that point the remaining occurrences happen because the perpetrator either does not believe that the chance of getting caught is real, or because they are unable to prevent the behavior no matter what the consequences. Since we know that increasing the sentencing time and adding sexual offender laws have not decreased the number of violations, we can safely assume that we have already hit that point. Increasing the punishment will have no forward effect on the crime.

So, further punishment is useless, the only reason to increase the sentence would be to remove the person permanently from society. Something I am not opposed to.
 
XX55XX said:
Furthermore, is pedophilia a mental illness? If we can classify pedophilia as a mental illness, then I suppose we can classify homosexuality as a mental illness, too. But again, while both may be illnesses, there is more accommodation for those who are gay.
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why the ever-loving fuck would you begin to think that the two are remotely comparable?
 
zinfamous said:
why the ever-loving fuck would you begin to think that the two are remotely comparable?
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Have you even read this thread? Read before you post.

And I'll quote this excellent post just for you:

Who of you remembers the day...

you decided to be straight?
you decided to be gay?
you decided that petite brunettes with green eyes are sexy?
you decided that women wearing scrubs is a turn on?
you decided that you enjoy being dominated in bed?
you decided that you get off on sex outdoors?
you decided that you have a fetish for women's socks?
...

Well, can you remember?

I can remember being attracted to Meghan when we were both in Kindergarten. No one told me to be. I just was.

So who thinks that pedophiles wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to children? When do they decide to be a member of the most vilified group in world?

I don't think any of us has a choice. I didn't. You don't. They don't. We all come out hard-wired in different ways. Some people simply come out on the right side of history. Others don't. Had you been born gay a few decades or centuries ago, then you may have been burned at the stake. Had you been born as a pedophile during Roman times, you may have enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle.

Point is, we are all governed by the laws and societal norms into which we are born.

Do I think that the average, non-violent (non-functional) pedophile is evil? Not at all. In fact I may take pity on them for harboring feelings and urges that they didn't ask for and struggle to contain.

Do I think that ANY violent offender of children should be dealt with to maximum extent of the law? Absolutely!

Do I think that child porn is a gateway drug to full-blown pedophilia? I'm not sure. I enjoy watching (adult) threesome videos but that doesn't mean I will ever engage in one. How much kinky porn have you all watched that has actually motivated you to act on what you saw? I assume the same goes for CP.

Do I agree with ANY sort of non-consensual sex? No! And as much as I am sure pedophiles disagree to the contrary, children are simply incapable of granting consent. They lack the maturity to recognize the consequences of their actions and can far too easily be manipulated by a "trusted" adult friend or family member. Now, the definition of the "age of consent" I may take issue with. Can the law accurately and flatly define this age as 18 in all cases? Probably not but everyone grows up at different rates, so I understand that the law must strive to find a happy medium of course.
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dabuddha said:
Don't be stupid. Mental illness my ass. Pedo's deserve nothing more than a bullet to the face.
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reallyscrued said:
A very eye opening and concise post on the subject.

The rest of you are acting like a bunch of kids.

(To the poster who mentioned the penetration of a 2 year old...thanks for that. If you condone the prosecution of people who are just in possession of CP, can I at least punch you in the face for that visual?)
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Truth is there are too many people in here who think there are these mystical, harmless pedophiles among us, jerking off to some harmless mental spank bank of nameless, unknown children. Then people want to split hairs about possession of child pornography as a harmless act that somehow prevents them from becoming child molesters.

As shocking as the visual may be, it was very real and very traumatic for me. Never mind the damage done to that child, yet here we are thinking that possessing this stuff is justifiable or understandable?

I don't think you've experienced the depravity or fully considered the scope of the problem at hand. Shall I describe more of what I saw for you? There were infants as well, but you know, this guy didn't molest anyone, so he's one of the "unicorn pedophiles" I suppose.
 
As shocking as the visual may be, it was very real and very traumatic for me. Never mind the damage done to that child, yet here we are thinking that possessing this stuff is justifiable or understandable?
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It's not justifiable at all. But, the punishment should be lessened to mental evaluation by first-time offenders. That has been thesis throughout this topic.
 
Sadly, it sounds like many are into child porn here.

Mental illness is an easy defense, do a murder and plan on getting caught. Hack them to pieces, leave them a thank you note and send a piece of them to everyone in their contact list.

Do 3 years easy time.
 
XX55XX said:
It's not justifiable at all. But, the punishment should be lessened to mental evaluation by first-time offenders. That has been thesis throughout this topic.
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I'm not disagreeing with you entirely and that has certainly been YOUR thesis throughout. However, there have been several people in here all but justifying posessesion as a harmless, victimless act of misunderstood people.
 
BoomerD said:
I disagree. Mental illness is NOT a defense for criminal activity, and the death penalty should be an option for anyone who commits certain crimes...including child molestation.
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If someone commits a crime while in the middle of a psychotic break, perhaps if they are schizophrenic, they aren't responsible for what they are doing, they don't have the capacity to reason their way out of it, they don't understand what they are doing, they aren't responsible. Convicting them as though they are responsible is... irresponsible.

You might feel that the mentally ill be given a pass for their crimes just because you're admittedly mentally ill, but a large part of society doesn't agree.
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Nope, I feel this way because I have the capacity to empathise and the cognitive abilities to see the difference between someone who is culpable for their actions and someone who isn't.
 
sourceninja said:
Again, as I said above, are you saying that people abuse and rape children simply because there is money in it?

And thusly a reduction in demand for child porn would mean less people would abuse and rape children?
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Not at all, I'm saying people are prepared to take more of a risk the more money there is to be made, people will still rape and abuse children, but if it is only to satisfy their own 'needs' they will do it less than if it is to satisfy the needs of many pedophiles.
 
Most pedophiles are fathers, molesting their own daughters.
There should be laws against heterosexual rights.
The scum of society...
 
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