Thoughts on Abortion

[xj0hnx]

Ok then you have opened the world up to untold numbers of gray areas.

Mothers convenience
-Working at a dangerous job
-Consuming Alcohol
-Taking eye medicine (or something) that interferes with gestation

-Whatever else a father might take his wife to court over once the supreme court rules that the government has absolute right over a woman's body when the fetuses life is endangered by a mothers choices for convenience.

Do you not understand what a complete clusterfuck such a ruling would bring about?

*edit* once all these battles in court started filtering out you would have "convenience" defined by a series of judicial rulings that set precedence. I couldn't dream up a more convoluted infringement on an individual's rights if I tried.

Well hell then, let's just kill them all because it's not convenient, and filled with gray area. "Individual", interesting choice of words considering.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Where's that quote?

Reading for comphrension is not a well-honed skill of yours, apparently.

 

[xj0hnx]

It is implicit in your assertion that life begins at conception. For life to begin, it must come to exist where it did not exist before. If gametes are alive, then there can be no beginning of life, because it already exists.


They are already human life in themselves, Mr. Idontknowshitaboutanythingamous. Your problem is that you aren't intelligent enough to be rigorous in your language -- as I aptly pointed out is characteristic of the vast majority of dumb, anti-freedom knuckle-draggers such as yourself.


The rest of your sentence didn't save it from being false to begin with.

So if I dump a load of jizz on your girls face, those are humans?

 

[xj0hnx]

Reading for comphrension is not a well-honed skill of yours, apparently.

You going to post the quote or just continue being a fucking retard?

 

[CLite]

Well hell then, let's just kill them all because it's not convenient, and filled with gray area. "Individual", interesting choice of words considering.

I am not advocating such a thing. You have to understand that either we define "personhood" at birth or we define it while it's in the woman. If we define it while the fetus is inside a woman then the state and courts have control of a woman's body under an incredible number of situations.

Personally I would recommend people to avoid abortion and I think it's a bad practice. However, you CANT control a woman's body and give more rights to something that lives within their body and depends on their body for sustenance. It just opens up the door for complete control over woman's bodies anytime we deem they are interfering with the rights of their fetus.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

...the child is still an innocent human being from conception.

A fetus is hardly "innocent." I've listed the numerous violations it perpetrates on its mother an ample number times in the past. Have you forgotten them? Do you need me to list them again? Or are you disingenuously pretending like they don't exist because it is inconvenient for your arguments?

You're either ignorant or dishonest - which one would you prefer to be?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You going to post the quote or just continue being a fucking retard?

If you cannot see what is plainly there, then I cannot help you. You apparently lack the cognitive faculties to read and comprehend simple English -- whether by injury or developmental defect, it doesn't matter. These are prerequisites to being taken seriously and mounting respectable arguments in debate. If or when you develop such faculties, you might then enjoy such respect.

Until then, your remarks will be met merely with the derision they deserve.

 

[xj0hnx]

If you cannot see what is plainly there, then I cannot help you. You apparently lack the cognitive faculties to read and comprehend simple English -- whether by injury or developmental defect, it doesn't matter. These are prerequisites to being taken seriously and mounting respectable arguments in debate. If or when you develop such faculties, you might then enjoy such respect.

Until then, your remarks will be met merely with the derision they deserve.

Is that your pathetic way of admitting you can't find a quote to back up your ignorant attack? It must suck going through life being such a douche bag, maybe you'd have been better off on a sock, and tampon.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

So if I dump a load of jizz on your girls face

Is that really the best you can do? Do you think anybody is impressed, or that I am somehow offended by such a feeble and peurile attempt at debate forum pugilism? You must be new at this.

...those are humans?

Sperm cells are human life. This a fact which renders your earlier claims false. Deal with it.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Is that your pathetic way of admitting you can't find a quote to back up your ignorant attack?

Pretending that what clearly exists does not hardly amounts to a meritorious argument.

It must suck going through life being such a douche bag, maybe you'd have been better off on a sock, and tampon.

It must suck being wrong so often, and so severely.

 

[xj0hnx]

Pretending that what clearly exists does not hardly amounts to a meritorious argument.

So you should have no problem posting the quote.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

"Individual", interesting choice of words considering.

Which individuals enjoy the right to occupy the body of another person unconsensually? Which individuals enjoy the right to feed and respirate directly from another person's bloodstream unconsensually? Which individuals enjoy the right to inject another person with hormones unconsensually ? Which individuals enjoy the right to inject another person with bodily waste unconsensually?

Since when are any of the above rights enjoyed by anyone? Why then would you insist that fetuses should enjoy them? Do you know the meaning of Consitutional equal protection?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

So you should have no problem posting the quote.

If you couldn't see it the first time, I hardly believe you will see it repeated. It's there. Go back and look. Maybe you could find a 4th or 5th grader to read it to you and explain it's meaning.

 

[xj0hnx]

If you couldn't see it the first time, I hardly believe you will see it repeated. It's there. Go back and look. Maybe you could find a 4th or 5th grader to read it to you and explain it's meaning.

Stop playing your childish game and post it.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Sperm cells are human life. This a fact which renders your earlier claims false. Deal with it.

It is telling -- albeit hardly surprising -- that xj0hnx would skip right over this inconvenient assemblage of statements in preference to continue pretending he has made some kind of point with respect to a series of questions I posed to someone entirely different that has yet even to respond.

Yeah, that's the behavior of someone with factually buttressed arguments. Right.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Stop playing your childish game and post it.

MY childish game? HA! That's rich!

 

[xj0hnx]

Which individuals enjoy the right to occupy the body of another person ? Which individuals enjoy the right to feed and respiration directly from another person's bloodstream without consent? Which individuals enjoy the right to inject another person with hormones without consent ? Which individuals enjoy the right to inject another person with bodily waste without consent?

Since when are any of the above rights enjoyed by anyone? Why then would you insist that fetuses should enjoy them? Do you know the meaning of Constitutional equal protection?

A fetus isn't an invading virus, it's the possible result of sex, it is part of the responsibility of having consensual sex. Btw, I fixed your post for made up words.

 

[xj0hnx]

MY childish game? HA! That's rich!

Yes, your childish game. You made a statement that you can't back up, and now you are dancing around posting the proof, your childish game.

 

[xj0hnx]

It is telling -- albeit hardly surprising -- that xj0hnx would skip right over this inconvenient assemblage of statements in preference to continue pretending he has made some kind of point with respect to a series of questions I posed to someone entirely different that has yet even to respond.

Yeah, that's the behavior of someone with factually buttressed arguments. Right.

So a haploid with half the DNA of a human, and can't live long outside the body is a human life? lol The human life cycle beings at conception, when the sperm and the egg join.

 

[llee]

So a haploid with half the DNA of a human, and can't live long outside the body is a human life? lol The human life cycle beings at conception, when the sperm and the egg join.

Biologically yes, morally no.

 

[Kadarin]

A fetus isn't an invading virus, it's the possible result of sex, it is part of the responsibility of having consensual sex. Btw, I fixed your post for made up words.

This is another example of the point I made early in this thread that everyone ignored. I believe that people who are against abortion are so not because they respect life, but because they believe that the pleasure of consensual sex must have consequences, because for a woman to enjoy sex without consequence is immoral. Otherwise, you would NOT have said "consensual" in your post.

People will say that it's about respect for human life, but if you allow for exceptions for abortion in cases of rape or incest, then it's very clearly not and these people are therefore full of shit.

 

[xj0hnx]

Biologically yes, morally no.

How exactly is it biologically a human? Because it doesn't contain all the DNA a human does? Or because it dies when outside the human body? Is it more or less a human being than a blood cell?

 

[xj0hnx]

This is another example of the point I made early in this thread that everyone ignored. I believe that people who are against abortion are so not because they respect life, but because they believe that the pleasure of consensual sex must have consequences, because for a woman to enjoy sex without consequence is immoral. Otherwise, you would NOT have said "consensual" in your post.

People will say that it's about respect for human life, but if you allow for exceptions for abortion in cases of rape or incest, then it's very clearly not and these people are therefore full of shit.

That's the stupidest shit I have read here, well almost. I put consensual to emphasize choice, as in the choice people make when they have sex as opposed to rape. My argument against abortion is mostly from the side of personal responsibility, as in if you can't take on, or don't want the responsibility of getting/getting someone pregnant, don't have sex. Once you choose to have sex, and a new life is created than that is a known consequence, and it isn't right to kill the child because you choose to not take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Kadarin]

How exactly is it biologically a human? Because it doesn't contain all the DNA a human does? Or because it dies when outside the human body? Is it more or less a human being than a blood cell?

If the DNA is human and it's alive, then it's human life. That does NOT, however, mean it's a human being.

 

[Kadarin]

That's the stupidest shit I have read here, well almost. I put consensual to emphasize choice, as in the choice people make when they have sex as opposed to rape. My argument against abortion is mostly from the side of personal responsibility, as in if you can't take on, or don't want the responsibility of getting/getting someone pregnant, don't have sex. Once you choose to have sex, and a new life is created than that is a known consequence, and it isn't right to kill the child because you choose to not take responsibility for your actions.

So what you're saying is that if someone didn't choose to have sex but got pregnant as a result of non-consensual sex, then an abortion is ok under those circumstances? If so, that's a perfectly fine viewpoint to hold; just be honest about it and don't lie about it being about respect for human life.