Question Thought the 3060 TI was "it" but then ...

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Only 10GB is is even of the fastest variety, and then you know the rest of the game actually needs some memory as well, so that sounds a bit sketchy.

It's only for games that absolutely need it. It's still considerably faster than paging from disk all the time.

 

[biostud]

Currently, the 4070 looks like the better deal long term due to fake frames giving the impression of higher fps, with the caveat that settings will have to be lowered in graphically intensive and texture heavy games. But once AMD launches FSR3 for RDNA2, the 4070 value proposition will weaken and 6800XT/6900XT/6950XT users will happily feel vindicated in their buying choice. 4070 will have higher RT performance and lower power going for it then, which may still be enough for a lot of people to sacrifice 4GB of VRAM.

I would have been tempted to choose it, had I waited. But since the 6800XT and 4070 are so close in performance I would probably not have noticed the difference in performance. And playing in 5120x1440 I'm not sorely tempted to enable raytracing for cards in this price range.

 

[aigomorla]

Now that the 4070 is out, it seems that one makes a ton more sense than the 3060ti I thought I wanted when I opened this thread. However, many good arugments were made here (and many, many more by the review stampede on YouTube) for the 6800XT and the 6950XT as no-brainer alternatives. Here is my question: for NON-GAMING use, what if any issues will I have with one of those two AMD cards if I go that route? I'm not into anything that taxing so I doubt I would run into any limits but I'd like to know what ones are lurking out there that I can't see due to my lack of experience.

If you can get a 6950XT for 700 dollars on sale like ive seem then, that is the best choice.
The 4070 is being flaunted as a 3080.
The 6950XT was trading punches with the 3090Ti.

There is no such thing as a 700+ dollar NON-Gaming Gaming card.
Why are you getting a gaming card to begin with if its for non gaming.
Your worrying about stuff the card was not planned for in conception.

Are you worried about power draw? Because on idle, its almost even across all tiers within a 20% margin which translates to +/- 15-20W on idle.
Well except the low tier and mid low tier.
On Load which is during games, this is where the cards explode in variance.
Will you need a powerful PSU... most definitely for high tier cards, which the 6950XT sat at.

My advice. If your a gamer, and if you have the monitor.
Meaning if your running a 60Hz 1080p monitor, we need to have a talk on how bad this will go with a 6950XT in almost any game you throw at it.

If you can get a 6950XT for 700. Its the best gaming card for its price solid.

4070 if you want something strong with CUDA. - like you want to run a plex server in the future, or you want to do HVEC encodes on a non professional level. Or you like 0 day launch games.
Meaning you play games always at launch. (Nvidia has faster drivers then AMD)

3060ti.. - NO... please... as a fellow 3060ti owner, toss that into the trash bucket, and do not look back. The card is wickedly overpriced still, for marginal 8gb which to me makes it very limited in almost anything past 1440p - mid-high settings.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If you can get a 6950XT for 700 dollars on sale like ive seem then, that is the best choice.

It's a beast, that is far from the best choice for many. Especially anyone with even slight power concerns. Here is a couple currently selling 6950 XTs on sales specs:


https://pg.asrock.com/Graphics-Card...hantom Gaming 16GB OC/index.asp#Specification

• Recommended PSU
  - 900W

https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 6950 XT OC Formula 16GB/#Specification

• Recommended PSU
  - 1000W

Also despite the massive power usage, in Ray Tracing the tables turn:

And then there is non gaming things if interested. Like Video encoding where you have a newer generation NVenc with AV1 encoding, or rendering compute tasks:

The 6950 XT is FAR from the best choice outside of just pure Raster gaming, with no concern for power usage.

 

[fleshconsumed]

The 6950 XT is FAR from the best choice outside of just pure Raster gaming, with no concern for power usage.

Only a small tiny minority of buyers use professional content creation applications. Sure, let those professionals buy nvidia cards, 95% of the buyers would be better off getting AMD card.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Only a small tiny minority of buyers use professional content creation applications. Sure, let those professionals buy nvidia cards, 95% of the buyers would be better off getting AMD card.

Maybe, some AMD cards, but not this one. Are you also going to argue only tiny minority use RT, or do Video Encoding, or have less than 900W PSUs?

 

[Mopetar]

It's a lot more than a google search replacement. You can literally have it write software for you, or an essay on a topic of your choosing, or fiction of under your guidance.

It's not really writing software, but pulling from training data where it's seen the type of problem. It isn't going to do anything unique and if you try testing it out, you'll find it has trouble with some very basic things and isn't able to reason out how to solve a problem.

One example of this is that you can ask it how many words it used in a response, and it will have difficulty telling you an accurate number. You can ask it to spit out some code for a word count program and it can do that without issue. There's plenty of examples of these on the Internet. As it is now it will never figure out that it could use this program it has "written" to produce an accurate answer to the question about the number of words it used in a response.

It's probably a useful tool as is for some things. I'd wager it would make a good front line customer support utility. It might even be useful in educational settings to help explain to a student why their answer is wrong.

 

[Heartbreaker]

It's not really writing software, but pulling from training data where it's seen the type of problem. It isn't going to do anything unique and if you try testing it out, you'll find it has trouble with some very basic things and isn't able to reason out how to solve a problem.

One example of this is that you can ask it how many words it used in a response, and it will have difficulty telling you an accurate number. You can ask it to spit out some code for a word count program and it can do that without issue. There's plenty of examples of these on the Internet. As it is now it will never figure out that it could use this program it has "written" to produce an accurate answer to the question about the number of words it used in a response.

It's probably a useful tool as is for some things. I'd wager it would make a good front line customer support utility. It might even be useful in educational settings to help explain to a student why their answer is wrong.

Right now it's been trained on a bit of everything, but it isn't hard to see that more focused training for specific problem spaces will yield better outcomes. AI really is a revolution in the making IMO.

 

[coercitiv]

Right now it's been trained on a bit of everything, but it isn't hard to see that more focused training for specific problem spaces will yield better outcomes. AI really is a revolution in the making IMO.

Focused training will not change the inherent properties of the learning model. Here's a great write-up on the limitations of the current LLMs:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/D7PumeYTDPfBTp3i7/the-waluigi-effect-mega-post

 

[Mopetar]

Right now it's been trained on a bit of everything, but it isn't hard to see that more focused training for specific problem spaces will yield better outcomes. AI really is a revolution in the making IMO.

The models they're using might not fail in the same obvious ways after additional iterations, but they're not AI. ChatGPT isn't going to ever go Skynet because that's so far outside of it's programming that it's not possible.

It's a bit like the power loom, a useful tool that will make some workers more productive and probably make some jobs obsolete, but it's not going to evolve itself by it's own volition. It's unthinking and lacks any intelligence, despite appearances.

Decades ago people were similarly fooled by a simple Eliza bot, which was done in under 1,000 lines of code. This doesn't mean the program was smart, merely that humans are easy to fool, as my good friend the prince of Nigeria is fond of doing.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The models they're using might not fail in the same obvious ways after additional iterations, but they're not AI. ChatGPT isn't going to ever go Skynet because that's so far outside of it's programming that it's not possible.

When I say revolutionary, that doesn't mean I think it's going to become self aware.

I know that these are just learning models trained on specific inputs to produce specific outputs, but they can still be extremely powerful.

 

[Dribble]

Chat GPT is amazing, not because it's some self aware bot, but because it's really useful. At a huge range of things you can ask it to do something for you and it gives an answer that could have been written by an expert in that subject field. You can see it's going to revolutionise the work place, perhaps more like an industrial revolution for the professional class - I mean who needs a lawyer with 20 years experience to write some legal document when an AI can do a better job for free in seconds.

 

[coercitiv]

I mean who needs a lawyer with 20 years experience to write some legal document when an AI can do a better job for free in seconds.

The person who wants an actually useful legal document.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The person who wants an actually useful legal document.

Today maybe. But in 5-10 years?

Already you are probably better off having your chest X-Ray checked by an AI than an overworked resident.

A top specialist can probably still be better, but with years of feedback into the system, eventually the AI will be better than the best human specialist, and then humans may no longer be trusted to read X-Rays...

This is revolutionary technology.

But this has strayed far from consumer GPU use.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

At a huge range of things you can ask it to do something for you and it gives an answer that could have been written by an expert in that subject field.

I'd be very sceptical of that. At least take it with a kilo of slat. It may sound believable to someone from outside the field, but the AI doesn't really know what it writes about.

Funny story; I was at a book conference where a well known author (well, in Denmark at least) had been playing around with ChatGPT. First he got a very well written essay out of it. Secondly he tried for something more factual. As he said, he got a cracking good story. It had absolutely nothing to do with the truth, or even basic facts, but it was a very good story...

So a little more development might be required.

 

[Dribble]

The person who wants an actually useful legal document.

Right now it would give you the basis of a legal document that would require a little tweaking, saving a real lawyer a lot of time. Given a bit more polish you could probably cut out the lawyer altogether.
I mentioned law because it's already capable of getting a passing grade in law exams and this is for a program that isn't even focused on law. You can ask all sorts of random stuff and it comes back with very good answers.

Just for fun with the free version of ChatGPT I asked:
Write me an American legal document to claim the cost of my 3090 graphics card from the manufacturer evga as they have failed to honor their 3 year warranty

It answered:

Spoiler: the answer

[Your Name] [Your Address] [City, State ZIP Code] [Phone Number] [Email Address]

[Date]

EVGA Corporation Legal Department 408 Saturn Street Brea, CA 92821

Re: Claim for Cost of EVGA 3090 Graphics Card under Warranty

Dear Sir/Madam:

I am writing to bring to your attention the failure of EVGA Corporation (“EVGA”) to honor its warranty obligations for the EVGA 3090 Graphics Card (the “Product”) that I purchased from your company. Despite being under warranty, the Product failed to perform as advertised, and when I attempted to make a warranty claim, I was met with a lack of response and disregard for my rights as a customer.

I purchased the Product on [Date of Purchase] from [Retailer Name], and it was covered by a 3-year warranty, as stated on your website and the Product’s packaging. The Product was used solely for personal, non-commercial purposes and was maintained in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.

However, on [Date of Failure], the Product failed to function properly. The issue with the Product was not due to any fault of my own, and I immediately contacted EVGA's customer service department to initiate a warranty claim.

Despite multiple attempts, I have not received any response from EVGA's customer service representatives. After waiting for an extended period, I decided to hire a third-party repair service to fix the issue with the Product. The cost of the repair was [Repair Cost], which I paid out of my own pocket.

I believe that this situation constitutes a breach of contract on the part of EVGA, as the Product was covered by a 3-year warranty, which EVGA has failed to honor. As a result, I am seeking compensation in the amount of [Cost of Product], the cost of the Product, as well as the cost of the repairs that I paid for out of pocket.

I would appreciate a prompt response from EVGA regarding this matter, including a confirmation that my claim has been received and an offer of settlement to resolve this issue. Please contact me at [Your Phone Number] or [Your Email Address] at your earliest convenience to discuss further.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]

Sure you might need to tweak that answer slightly but it's already done most of the legwork...

For more fun: Rewrite my answer so it shows ho much I love and respect Nvidia

Spoiler: nvidia lover

Certainly! Here's a possible rephrased version of your answer that expresses admiration and respect for Nvidia:

Dear Nvidia team,

I am reaching out to you today regarding my EVGA 3090 Graphics Card. I have been a long-time admirer of your company and products, and I was thrilled when I acquired the 3090 Graphics Card. The card has been an integral part of my setup, and I have enjoyed its top-notch performance and reliability.

However, recently, the card failed to function properly, and I was disappointed that EVGA did not honor the 3-year warranty that came with it. Despite my attempts to make a warranty claim, I did not receive a response from EVGA's customer service representatives. As a result, I had to pay for third-party repairs out of my pocket, which was a significant inconvenience.

I am confident that you share my passion for providing your customers with high-quality products and services. As a loyal Nvidia customer, I would appreciate your assistance in resolving this issue with EVGA. I am seeking compensation for the cost of the product, as well as the repair expenses that I incurred.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,

[Your Name]

 

[coercitiv]

Just for fun with the free version of ChatGPT I asked:
Write me an American legal document to claim the cost of my 3090 graphics card from the manufacturer evga as they have failed to honor their 3 year warranty

I hope this was not the entirety of your prompt for ChatGPT, as the document contains the following paragraph:

After waiting for an extended period, I decided to hire a third-party repair service to fix the issue with the Product. The cost of the repair was [Repair Cost], which I paid out of my own pocket.

It also appears that you would be asking for both the cost of repair and the cost of the purchase from the manufacturer. Is that a thing in the US legal system? Does EVGA get their card back at least?

As a result, I am seeking compensation in the amount of [Cost of Product], the cost of the Product, as well as the cost of the repairs that I paid for out of pocket.