Those Poor, Abused TSA Workers....

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I found this to be very truthful and funny,,,,,,sad too.....

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/70799.html

It seems that all of the reactions to TSA workers sexually assaulting airline travelers, not to mention the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse they have been throwing at the public are hurting morale in the TSA ranks. Yes, the poor wittle bullwies are upset, according to their union leaders:

The American Federation of Government Employees, the union that represents TSA workers, is urging the TSA to do more to protect its employees from abuse from airline passengers angry over the new security methods. The union reports that some members “have reported instances in which passengers have become angry, belligerent and even physical with TSOs (transportation security officers).” [Gee, I wonder why people are so upset.]

But there even is more from this TSA pity party:

“TSOs are trained security professionals,” (Union official Sharon) Pinnock said. “Despite this call for chaos and disruption, it’s our belief that our members and people we represent will respond as the security professionals that they are.”

Full-body scanners are now in place at close to 70 airports and send virtually naked images of passengers to a TSA screener at a remote location. Those who wish to avoid the scanners must instead undergo a new, open-palmed pat-down that many travelers, and even some security officers, feel is too personally invasive.

Aviation and security blogger Steven Frischling said he has received comments from TSA front-line screeners complaining of verbal abuse.

“Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me. …These comments are painful and demoralizing,” one unnamed TSO posted on Frischling’s website.

Another said: “Being a TSO means often being verbally abused. You let the comments roll off and check the next person; however, when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her; that is beyond verbal abuse.”

Right. When someone who aggressively is molesting someone is told that, well, they are engaged in molestation, this is NOT “beyond verbal abuse.” It is the truth. How would this person react if someone were to put hands on this person’s private parts? People are sent to prison for LIFE terms for doing less.

But, there’s even more:

Guy Winch, an expert on the psychology of complaining and customer service and the author of a forthcoming book, “The Squeaky Wheel,” is concerned with the stress levels TSA employees may be experiencing this week on the job.

He explains that the “emotional labor” TSA workers must do — “processing people regardless of hostile exchanges … and looking for explosives and weapons” — makes the stakes for performing their duties correctly “as high as they get.” Winch says the best thing TSA administrators can do for employees doing enhanced pat-downs is to provide an extra layer of managerial and supervisory support. “They need to convey the message that superiors are aware of the stresses the employees are under and are there to support them.”

Winch says having a mental health professional on staff or available as a referral “can be crucial in helping the people who did not make these rules but are charged with enforcing and implementing them nonetheless.”

Stewart Baker, who worked at the Department of Homeland Security as its first secretary of policy under President George W. Bush, suspects the new security protocols and the aggressive reaction of some passengers is hurting TSA morale.

“TSA has made a lot of progress in training its officers to be professional even in the face of unhappy passengers, but the latest protocols — and press coverage of the most inflammatory stories — have led to a much higher level of hostility,” said Baker.

“Instead of making this Wednesday National Opt-Out Day in which a bunch of self-appointed guardians of liberty slow down the line for everyone by asking for pat-downs,” said Baker, “maybe what we need is a day when everyone who goes through the line says, ‘Thanks for what you do.’ ”

Gee, thanks for molesting me! Thanks for all of the worthless work you do!! Now, please, go see your shrink and tell him how hard it is to be a sex pervert! Leave it to someone from the Bush administration which gave us this worthless drain on resources to tell us we should be thankful for people willing to molest and humiliate others. A bi-partisan effort.
 

waggy

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meh. when they have a job ot mollest people then they better get used to verbal abuse.
 

Darwin333

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meh. when they have a job ot mollest people then they better get used to verbal abuse.

Agreed. This ranks right up there with the "banksters" bitching that people don't like them. Isn't it amazing how screwing people over tends to make them not like you much?
 

shira

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So you're blaming the worker bees for following the clear directions of their superiors. And you want TSA worders to do what, exactly? Refuse to follow those directions, and as a consequence get fired? Is this REALLY how you expect a rational TSA worker to behave? Is this how YOU would behave if YOU were a TSA worker and your family depended on your job to survive? Really?
 

Darwin333

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So you're blaming the worker bees for following the clear directions of their superiors. And you want TSA worders to do what, exactly? Refuse to follow those directions, and as a consequence get fired? Is this REALLY how you expect a rational TSA worker to behave? Is this how YOU would behave if YOU were a TSA worker and your family depended on your job to survive? Really?

Absolutely.

I have never been hungry enough to sexually assault people for a living.
 

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So you're blaming the worker bees for following the clear directions of their superiors. And you want TSA worders to do what, exactly? Refuse to follow those directions, and as a consequence get fired? Is this REALLY how you expect a rational TSA worker to behave? Is this how YOU would behave if YOU were a TSA worker and your family depended on your job to survive? Really?

qft
 

shira

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Absolutely.

I have never been hungry enough to sexually assault people for a living.

1) You're lying.

2) You mischaracaterize TSA pat-downs based on rare, anecdotal stories, and pretend that this is how TSA workers view their own behavior.
 
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halik

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My solution is to hire special team of VERY attractive male and female screeners specifically for the pat downs and these will be done opposite sex basis (or based on your sexuality). Ta da!
 

Zorba

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So you're blaming the worker bees for following the clear directions of their superiors. And you want TSA worders to do what, exactly? Refuse to follow those directions, and as a consequence get fired? Is this REALLY how you expect a rational TSA worker to behave? Is this how YOU would behave if YOU were a TSA worker and your family depended on your job to survive? Really?

Morality should be higher than orders. The TSA agents should refuse to sexually assault people as that is the moral and constitutional thing to do.
 

Zorba

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2) You mischaracaterize TSA pat-downs based on rare, anecdotal stories, and pretend that this is how TSA workers view their own behavior.

I have personally had an opt-out pat down, before the new procedures, and the pat down definitely crossed the line. I am not very modest at all, but it made me very uncomfortable. I can imagine them doing that to kids.
 

shira

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Morality should be higher than orders. The TSA agents should refuse to sexually assault people as that is the moral and constitutional thing to do.

See my previous two posts.

Must be great to occupy the moral high ground when you have absolutely no skin in the game (other than the skin fondled by TSA agents) and are lying about what TSA agents actually do.
 
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shira

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I have personally had an opt-out pat down, before the new procedures, and the pat down definitely crossed the line. I am not very modest at all, but it made me very uncomfortable. I can imagine them doing that to kids.

Poor baby.

Get a thicker skin or learn to smile for the body-scanner.
 

Zorba

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See my previous two posts.

Must be great to occupy the moral high ground when you have absolutely no skin in the game (other than the skin fondled by TSA agents) and are lying about what TSA agents actually do.

You know I fly over 100K miles a year and my home airport was one of the first to get body scanners. I am not getting my information from cable news.

I am asked to do stuff at work I don't agree with quite a bit and I refuse to do it. Considering I work an aerospace engineering job that ensures safety much more than the TSA rubbing people's balls, you should be glad I actually take the moral high ground. It is just something called integrity.

So what do you think of soldiers that commit war crimes just because they were ordered to? What do you think about the Arkansas national guard trying to keep black kids form enrolling in a white school? I guess you don't have any problem with that since they get to hide behind the vial of 'orders.' I just hope to god you don't work a job that anyone's safety depends on.
 
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You know I fly over 100K miles a year and my home airport was one of the first to get body scanners. I am not getting my information from cable news.

I am asked to do stuff at work I don't agree with quite a bit and I refuse to do it. Considering I work an aerospace engineering job that ensures safety much more than the TSA rubbing peoples balls, you should be glad I actually take the moral high ground. It is just something called integrity.

So what do you think of soldiers that commit war crimes just because they were ordered to? What do you think about the Arkansas national guard trying to keep black kids form enrolling in a white school? I guess you don't have any problem with that since they get to hide behind the vial of 'orders.' I just hope to god you don't work a job that anyone's safety depends on.

Well, that was different! Somehow.
 

Zorba

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Poor baby.

Get a thicker skin or learn to smile for the body-scanner.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

In America we have a right to not have our genitals rubbed on by random people, to make other people feel a little bit safer. If you don't like that you should move to China.

I am not against airport security, I am against the body-scanners and the very invasive pat downs. I am not against the bomb sniffers, K-9s, etc. But as soon as you do virtual strip searches and invasive pat downs without cause, you have crossed the line.
 

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So have people started touching the TSOs back yet? I wonder how many juries would convict. If ever there were grounds for implied consent...
 

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So you're blaming the worker bees for following the clear directions of their superiors. And you want TSA worders to do what, exactly? Refuse to follow those directions, and as a consequence get fired? Is this REALLY how you expect a rational TSA worker to behave? Is this how YOU would behave if YOU were a TSA worker and your family depended on your job to survive? Really?

TSA workers have every right to refuse to comply with directives they believe are morally wrong. They can strike, they can approach their union reps to (you know) do their jobs and protect them from their employers, they can flatly refuse to perform illegal searches on people.

Those who do not believe it is morally wrong SHOULD be subjected to the same ridicule that their bosses get for making the illegal policies.

Don't give me this shit about how the TSA workers are blameless. They go along with it because they want to, not because they have to. It's a power trip, nothing more.

People who do not stand up to tyranny are party to it and should be treated the same as the dictators that enacted it.

I have a hard time sympathising with people who break the law on a daily basis and then complain when they are called out on it.
 

shira

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In America we have a right to not have our genitals rubbed on by random people, to make other people feel a little bit safer. If you don't like that you should move to China.

I am not against airport security, I am against the body-scanners and the very invasive pat downs. I am not against the bomb sniffers, K-9s, etc. But as soon as you do virtual strip searches and invasive pat downs without cause, you have crossed the line.

I don't claim to know what the best approach to airport security is. Maybe - as you say - bomb sniffers are all that's needed. What I do know, though, is that the day after the first airliner is brought down by a person who made it through security with explosives without being body-scanned or patted down - and it WILL happen - and the right-wing macho types will be second-guessing the Obama administration's approach to airport security.
 

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I don't claim to know what the best approach to airport security is. Maybe - as you say - bomb sniffers are all that's needed. What I do know, though, is that the day after the first airliner is brought down by a person who made it through security with explosives without being body-scanned or patted down - and it WILL happen - and the right-wing macho types will be second-guessing the Obama administration's approach to airport security.

When was the last time a commercial airplane was brought down by a bomb?

Just saying...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Terrorists target commercial airlines are for one reason and one reason only...to fuck with our way of life. It's not about death and destruction. There are far, far more effective ways to do that. Private airport terminals at major airports have NO security, for instance. A Cesna loaded up with C-4 crashing in to Yankee Stadium, for instance, would make the WTC look like a holiday picnic as far as loss of life goes.

We have let the terrorists win by allowing them to influence the policies that direct our daily life. It's just that simple. By not resisting their influence, we have surrendered our will to them. Either that, or we are being willfully thrust into the throws of tyranny by our own leadership under the guise of our "well-being" (and that's just way too much like 1984 for my comfort). Either way, no self-respecting American citizen should stand for it.
 
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Zorba

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I don't claim to know what the best approach to airport security is. Maybe - as you say - bomb sniffers are all that's needed.

Just to clarify I am for the metal detectors and x-ray machines also. If you put bomb sniffing capabilities with that you've got everything you need, and it will do much more to protect against items inserted into cavities.

What I do know, though, is that the day after the first airliner is brought down by a person who made it through security with explosives without being body-scanned or patted down - and it WILL happen - and the right-wing macho types will be second-guessing the Obama administration's approach to airport security.

So you are basically saying that you support it just so Obama won't look as bad if something does happen? What would you say if Bush was pushing these measures? Obama needs to learn that the right will never support him, so he should stop all the stupid BS just so the right can't say negative things about him.
 

shira

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TSA workers have every right to refuse to comply with directives they believe are morally wrong. They can strike, they can approach their union reps to (you know) do their jobs and protect them from their employers, they can flatly refuse to perform illegal searches on people.

Those who do not believe it is morally wrong SHOULD be subjected to the same ridicule that their bosses get for making the illegal policies.

Don't give me this shit about how the TSA workers are blameless. They go along with it because they want to, not because they have to. It's a power trip, nothing more.

People who do not stand up to tyranny are party to it and should be treated the same as the dictators that enacted it.

I have a hard time sympathising with people who break the law on a daily basis and then complain when they are called out on it.

First of all, you're wrong: TSA personnel do NOT have the right to strike. Under a very recent FLRA ruling, TSA personnel DO have a right to union representation, but

http://www.laborrelationscounsel.co...presentation-but-not-to-collectively-bargain/

Enacted in 2001, the Aviation and Transportation Security Act (ATSA) provides that the Under Secretary of Transportation for Security has the power to, among other things, determine the compensation, terms and conditions of employment for employees who carry out security screening functions. Accordingly, in a 2003 memorandum, the Under Secretary declared that TSA officers, “in light of their critical national security responsibilities, shall not, as a term or condition of their employment, be entitled to engage in collective bargaining or be represented for the purpose of engaging in such bargaining by any representative or organization.”

You are also wrong that refusing to follow orders because it offends one's morality offers protection from being fired. I think anyone so fired would have an uphill legal battle to wage, and meanwhile their family would suffer enormously. As I wrote, it's mighty easy for people to claim lofty moral principles when it's not their own livelihood on the line.

Finally, as to your claim that TSA agents are on power trips: Where's your objective evidence to back up that assertion? Do you have the results of surveys of TSA agents?

Tell you what: For those of you who think TSA agents should just refuse to operate body scanners and perform patdowns, and who pooh-pooh the job risks the TSA agents would face, why don't you all get together and put your money where your mouth is: Indemnify TSA agents against loss by putting your OWN financial well-being at risk. Each one of you promise - in a written contract signed by you and witnessed by a notary public that - should TSA agents be fired or given unpaid leave pursuant to refusing to engage in body scans or pat-downs - to pay 10% of your own yearly family incomes into a fund that will support fired TSA agents, each and every year for as long as it takes the fired agents to pursue their legal actions and/or to find jobs that pay comparable salaries.

Come on, all you morally-upright heroes, let's see you put your own financial security on the line in the fight against tyranny.

Frankly, I don't think any of you have the guts.
 

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Let me get this right, I believe this started after a bomb was discovered in one of the packages in a cargo plane correct? Can you "honestly" tell me you were not a bit scare when there is a chance a plane is going to blow up on top of your head? In fact, I heard there is a ban of shipment of packages by individual to usa. I am way more disturb by it than the so call pat down. Peopel are worrying over nothing... serious, it is nothing material. Let me ask this, would you rather die with regret or live with pat down? I know what I will choose, I will choose to live, no matter what. The greatest sin of human being is to kill in the name of ideals and religions, aka Nazis, aka the Crusade, aka Islamic Extremist. So, anything that could stop it is fine by me.

I can understand WHY they are doing it but as an American, as a Human Being, I do not like it. If I don't like it, I don't fly; as far as I know, the right to fly is not in Constitution.
 

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Let me get this right, I believe this started after a bomb was discovered in one of the packages in a cargo plane correct? Can you "honestly" tell me you were not a bit scare when there is a chance a plane is going to blow up on top of your head?
Yes. Not one bit concerned. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Also this latest incident demonstrates that anyone with two IQ points to rub together who is determined to use explosives is going to do so in a manner that makes TSA screening completely moot.
In fact, I heard there is a ban of shipment of packages by individual to usa. I am way more disturb by it than the so call pat down. Peopel are worrying over nothing... serious, it is nothing material. Let me ask this, would you rather die with regret or live with pat down?
How exactly are you planning on framing that as the choice we are faced with? Where is this death with regret coming from exactly?
I know what I will choose, I will choose to live, no matter what. The greatest sin of human being is to kill in the name of ideals and religions, aka Nazis, aka the Crusade, aka Islamic Extremist. So, anything that could stop it is fine by me.
Actually you seem to imply that the greatest sin is not wanting to feel safe. It's so bizarrely reckless to you that you can't distinguish a disdain for government provided security blankets and a death wish.
I can understand WHY they are doing it but as an American, as a Human Being, I do not like it. If I don't like it, I don't fly; as far as I know, the right to fly is not in Constitution.
Neither is the right to live without tyranny. (Hint: any government which would prefer the citizens to believe that the Bill of Rights is a comprehensive enumeration of their rights is a tyrannical regime.) The Constitution is a partial roadmap to freedom, not a guarantee of it.