Thoroughly disgusted

[Vic]

Sorry to hear about your aunt's loss. Terrible and senseless.

The issue for all of you here is that you're beating around the bush (no pun intended). Longer sentences won't solve the problem. Neither will drugs. That's just an expensive waste. You take a psychopath and subject him to the unbelievably inhuman torment of locking him in solitary for 23 years, and he's gonna be that much more insane when you take him out and put him on the street. People aren't mysteries, just stop your neurotic BS's for a while and imagine yourself in another person's place. I dare any of you to imagine what being alone in tiny cell for a couple of decades would be like. You'd go violently insane, and it would be a perfectly normal response. Start with someone who's already insane before locking them up, and it's that much worse.

Better to have given the fscker the death penalty in the first place 23 years ago (and I have no issues with violent rape of 12 year-old girl being a capital offense). It never ceases to amaze me how people who think the death penalty is cruel have no problems with locking people up for decades, as though that's not cruel. :roll: And then they get shocked when a psycho is released on their streets. Duh!

When will the American people face it? The penitentiary system has failed.

 

[CStan]

Someone should make a parody, Thoroughly digested. i would but I can't think of anything funny

 

[Excelsior]

Only someone like Gurck could start a thread about something so sad but end up getting "flamed" or "attacked".


And I am sorry.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Only someone like Gurck could start a thread about something so sad but end up getting "flamed" or "attacked".


And I am sorry.

Some people are so offensive and that people hate them regardless. To be fair though, Gurck brought the flames with him in the original post.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: LoKe
Think of the hell the victim must go through, all of the therapy she'd need.

Yeah, but I'm sure she'd be fine after 23 years. That's why a 23 year prison sentence is fair.

People don't ever fully recover from things like this. The memory of it will be with them for life. Their family and close friends will also have to think about it for as long as they live.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Fox Labs pepper spray is supposed to be some of the best.

 

[tami]

i work near there :Q

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: LoKe
Think of the hell the victim must go through, all of the therapy she'd need.

Yeah, but I'm sure she'd be fine after 23 years. That's why a 23 year prison sentence is fair.

People don't ever fully recover from things like this. The memory of it will be with them for life. Their family and close friends will also have to think about it for as long as they live.

You just have to forget it.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: LoKe
Think of the hell the victim must go through, all of the therapy she'd need.

Yeah, but I'm sure she'd be fine after 23 years. That's why a 23 year prison sentence is fair.

People don't ever fully recover from things like this. The memory of it will be with them for life. Their family and close friends will also have to think about it for as long as they live.

You just have to forget it.

That's easy to say, but you have to realize that it's impossible to just forget it. Think about how you would feel if some terrible thing like this happend to you or someone very close to you. As the years go by, you would think about it less and less, but it would NEVER go away. The trauma that you went through would affect your actions for the rest of your life.

 

[Goosemaster]

whether or not it really matters at all gurck, you have done a great diservice to your plight for sympathy and understanding...

people are normally empathrtic on here and you know better than to ask for sympathy after you have baraded fellow members...

You have my sympathies, whether or not you want them, but for her sake, keep the heated debate out of the thread.

THink of it like someone lambasting Arabs or Muslims as a whole in a sept. 11th thread...

 

[alkemyst]

The idea behind the legal system and jail time is reform and penalty.

The assumption is made that one is not 'insane' at first. If one is deemed 'insane' they usually do not go to jail due to the bleeding hearts out there. I say insanity + killing = death or locked up forever....that's too dangerous a tool to leave out there.

A normal person may do something that causes the death of another. Maybe in a fight, or indirectly, etc. That is where penalties have been set, as everyone would just claim 'Oops that was an accident' if there wasn't any set across the board.

The main problems I have is many activists only become so when they are affected negatively by something. Then they go all out trying to take everything away that could make the same incident possible. There is a thing called responsibility.

A good example of this is the DUI laws of 0.08...when you realize that this number will almost always be failed by people out past 9pm on a Friday until about 2am Sunday (I forget the actual times)..you have a few people working, some traveling, etc, but I high percentage out having fun. MADD/SADD have a huge lobby to basically try and remove drinking as an option with any keys near you, a lot of people have been arrested for DUI's washing their cars and drinking, and also sleeping in their cars after drinking due to the fact that it is assumed they would have eventually driven drunk. Almost like carrying an concealed weapon w/ permit and being arrested for murder because why'd you need a concealed weapon otherwise. When you really think about it it boggles the mind. I am all for coming down hard on repeat violators and those that are too drunk to function, I am a drinker as well...I stay in when I am doing so, I don't go out hitting one bar/club after another unless I can walk and I always know my own 'cutoff' time so I have enough time to end my night and be ok to drive. But screwing someone's life up over them having a couple beers or wines after work and not endangering anyone is insane.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
This thread is the hottest cluster fvck I've seen in a long time. I've climaxed three times just reading these posts!

LOL

 

[Scarpozzi]

Sorry to hear about that....

 

[loic2003]

Much as I disagree with some of Gurck's opinions, I'm not going to jump on this lame Gurck-bashing bandwagon. I think he has a valid point. The fact is jail does not work. If anything, it makes a criminal harder and more knowledgeable. For example, an impressionable young criminal doing a fairly short spell for car theft is going to be around hardened gangsters and really serious criminals 24/7 for his time in jail.

Chances are, the lad is going to be influenced by these people, make contacts and come out a lot worse off than when he went in.

Jail is little more than a health club these days with decent food, gyms and a whole load of resources that many poor law-abiding citizens would have no way getting access to. It should be a seriously nasty experience. Hard labor and repetitive jobs (being careful not to take jobs from decent people) so that the criminals pay back their debt to society.

Further, criminals who have committed crimes of a sexual nature really should be on a whole other level of punishment. I like the quote from the chap who says that anyone would be fine after twenty years if they were brutally raped at the age of 12, as if they actually knew anything about the topic and the mental scarring the victim suffered.
People don't just get over these things. It's a lifelong burden on their lives which reeks havoc on their ability to form relationships, their confidence and their trust amongst many other issues. Not to mention the effect of their family.

These criminals have a massive debt to society. They owe us big time. We have to pay for the police to catch them (not to mention the officers putting their own well-being at risk), the courts, the jail, the staff of the jail, etc. Just look at the fear they put into the law abiding citizens. It's not fair.

I'm always hearing about the rights of prisoners. Their rights to have a good life in jail, their right to be given all this stuff that we pay for. Hell, one prisoner even successfully sued the government because he felt being supplied with pornography was a basic human right that the prison should supply it. Our local jail has a plasma TV for the inmates!!
What about our right to walk the streets safe in the knowledge that we are safe? Or our right to feel our kids are safe?

Since these people obviously don't want to work to provide for their country they should be forced to provide in other ways, namely the aforementioned forced labor and of course testing. The severity of punishment obviously linked to the crime. Also, I think the 'people' who have committed crimes of a sexual nature should be disarmed to prevent future attacks with the use of castration.

 

[biostud]

While we're at it I think we should cut of the limbs of drunken drivers, to improve the research in cyborg organsims. Murderes could be use for live shooting practice in the military. Those conducting tax fraud should be enforced to pay 100% tax for the rest of their life.

 

[Sheepathon]

Gurck, your avatar is a clown. No one takes clowns seriously. You gotta be at least any of various fleshy fungi of the class Basidiomycota, characteristically having an umbrella-shaped cap borne on a stalk, especially any of the edible kinds, as those of the genus Agaricus. Sillyass. Haha, I was just getting a midnight snack and some milk and I come back clicking a thread that I think is likely boring but since Gurck started it, there's bound to be something fruity. Lo and behold, I have stumbled upon a gold mine of sense-pleasing dried squid. Seriously, I've never been a big fan of squid but I think the moment Jamba Juice begins to serve a Squid-A-Go-Go smoothie my life will end, and I will consume the vitamin and mineral packed beverages like a ravenous rancor in Jabba the Hutt's Palace. Speaking of palaces, why the hell does golden palace casino buy everything wiggity wackassatron on ebay? Did someone come down in a chocolate box with fairy mints and tell them to purchase stuff like a person's forehead?!?! And speaking of foreheads, the best way to keep your face healthy is to regularly moisturize, and use astringent/toner to manage your pores. Speaking of pores, you remind me of mine - deep, dark, and full of strange secretions.

p.s. Fruity Pebbles > Lucky Charms
edit: Cinnamon Toast Crunch > Golden Grahams, DUH

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon
p.s. Fruity Pebbles > Lucky Charms

QFT.