Thomas Sowell: American democracy is being dismantled

Danube

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In an article called "Obama's Ineffective Thuggery" Michael Barone wrote:

"If (Obama) he sees any impropriety in politicians ordering executives about, upstaging the courts and threatening confiscation, he has not said so," write the editors of The Economist, who then suggest that markets see Obama as "an American version of Vladimir Putin." Except that Putin is an effective thug.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127981317

Continuing along those lines Thomas Sowell makes the observation that America Democracy is being dismantled and few people seem to "get it". I agree with him 100%



Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?


"When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s, leading up to his taking power in the 1930s, he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics.

Such people were a valuable addition to his political base, since they were particularly susceptible to Hitler's rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions.

"Useful idiots" was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters of his dictatorship in the Soviet Union.

Put differently, a democracy needs informed citizens if it is to thrive, or ultimately even survive.

In our times, American democracy is being dismantled, piece by piece, before our very eyes by the current administration in Washington, and few people seem to be concerned about it.

The president's poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a president has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whomever he deems worthy of compensation? Nowhere.

And yet that is precisely what is happening with a $20 billion fund to be provided by BP to compensate people harmed by their oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Many among the public and in the media may think that the issue is simply whether BP's oil spill has damaged many people, who ought to be compensated.

But our government is supposed to be "a government of laws and not of men."

If our laws and our institutions determine that BP ought to pay $20 billion ? or $50 billion or $100 billion ? then so be it.

But the Constitution says that private property is not to be confiscated by the government without "due process of law."

Technically, it has not been confiscated by Barack Obama, but that is a distinction without a difference.

With vastly expanded powers of government available at the discretion of politicians and bureaucrats, private individuals and organizations can be forced into accepting the imposition of powers that were never granted to the government by the Constitution.

If you believe that the end justifies the means, then you don't believe in constitutional government."

Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/537967/201006211813/Is-US-Now-On-Slippery-Slope-To-Tyranny-.aspx
 

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Tinfoil is entirely ineffective against aliens. Try hula hooping.
 

Craig234

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Thomas Sowell is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

People like him can paint a picture all day and get it wrong.

Funny how he and people like him think Obama is the undoing of America while they had such silence about the Republicans.
 

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Craig234 is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

People like him can paint a picture all day and get it wrong.

Funny how he and people like him think Bush was the undoing of America while they have such silence about the Democrats.
 

ShawnD1

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America hasn't been free for a long time. Deal with it.

2006 freedom ranks
USA is #8. Still better than that shit hole Australia which ranks at #13. Yahtzee has made a lot of rants about how they limit free speech in video games over there.
 

bamacre

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Craig234 is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

People like him can paint a picture all day and get it wrong.

Funny how he and people like him think Bush was the undoing of America while they have such silence about the Democrats.

lol :awe:
 

Danube

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Thomas Sowell is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

Funny how he and people like him think Obama is the undoing of America while they had such silence about the Republicans.

No Republican intentionally let a monumental enviro disaster go on intentionally so that a tortured ideology could be pursued.

Obama has been maximizing the Gulf disaster and not trying to solve solve or ameliorate it.

He went from ignoring the spill and offers of help, to kneecapping a corporation (with more US employees and almost even number of US investors) outside the courts. The idea the 20 billion is an escrow account is false because no third party handles it . Obama just went gangsta.
 

WHAMPOM

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In an article called "Obama's Ineffective Thuggery" Michael Barone wrote:

"If (Obama) he sees any impropriety in politicians ordering executives about, upstaging the courts and threatening confiscation, he has not said so," write the editors of The Economist, who then suggest that markets see Obama as "an American version of Vladimir Putin." Except that Putin is an effective thug.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127981317

Continuing along those lines Thomas Sowell makes the observation that America Democracy is being dismantled and few people seem to "get it". I agree with him 100%



Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?


"When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s, leading up to his taking power in the 1930s, he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics.

Such people were a valuable addition to his political base, since they were particularly susceptible to Hitler's rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions.

"Useful idiots" was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters of his dictatorship in the Soviet Union.

Put differently, a democracy needs informed citizens if it is to thrive, or ultimately even survive.

In our times, American democracy is being dismantled, piece by piece, before our very eyes by the current administration in Washington, and few people seem to be concerned about it.

The president's poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a president has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whomever he deems worthy of compensation? Nowhere.

And yet that is precisely what is happening with a $20 billion fund to be provided by BP to compensate people harmed by their oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Many among the public and in the media may think that the issue is simply whether BP's oil spill has damaged many people, who ought to be compensated.

But our government is supposed to be "a government of laws and not of men."

If our laws and our institutions determine that BP ought to pay $20 billion ? or $50 billion or $100 billion ? then so be it.

But the Constitution says that private property is not to be confiscated by the government without "due process of law."

Technically, it has not been confiscated by Barack Obama, but that is a distinction without a difference.

With vastly expanded powers of government available at the discretion of politicians and bureaucrats, private individuals and organizations can be forced into accepting the imposition of powers that were never granted to the government by the Constitution.

If you believe that the end justifies the means, then you don't believe in constitutional government."

Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/537967/201006211813/Is-US-Now-On-Slippery-Slope-To-Tyranny-.aspx

A well regulated market is essential to the stability of the country, as shown by the Republican attempts at deregulation and the following fiascos. Now post me another one.
 

Danube

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A well regulated market is essential to the stability of the country, as shown by the Republican attempts at deregulation and the following fiascos. Now post me another one.

There is nothing "well regulated" about a POTUS that ignores a spill to advance a political agenda and puts a street beat down on a company outside of any court. There isn't even a cause for the spill and no court will be overseeing damages in Obama's effort. He just went thug yo - know what I'm sayin?

Some deregulation has been bad I agree - and it was Clinton that gets blame for some of that (Glass Steagall etc)
 

irishScott

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America hasn't been free for a long time. Deal with it.

2006 freedom ranks
USA is #8. Still better than that shit hole Australia which ranks at #13. Yahtzee has made a lot of rants about how they limit free speech in video games over there.

lol the UK is more free than us? I'd like to see the criteria for that list.
 

Zebo

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Thomas Sowell is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

People like him can paint a picture all day and get it wrong.

Funny how he and people like him think Obama is the undoing of America while they had such silence about the Republicans.

Sowell is off since this down payment is voluntary and only if there is controversy or dispute between parties involved does courts need to rule and division of powers come into play but to claim Obama is not undoing America as a reader of Greenwald is ignorant. Hello extra judicial assassination squads of US citizens, detaining innocent people without trials, sending them to Syria to be tortured , secretly ordering covert wars via Special Operations Forces, and launching cruise missile strikes with cluster bombs in Yemen without bothering with congress?
 
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Sowell is off since this down payment is voluntary and only if there is controversy or dispute between parties involved does courts need to rule and division of powers come into play but to claim Obama is not undoing America as a reader of Greenwald is ignorant. Hello extra judicial assassination squads of US citizens, detaining innocent people without trials, sending them to Syria to be tortured , secretly ordering covert wars via Special Operations Forces, and launching cruise missile strikes with cluster bombs in Yemen without bothering with congress?


Well voluntary is up for debate. If Vito "No Neck" comes into your business and guarantees that "accidents" won't happen if you pay him money, is that voluntary?
 

MotF Bane

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Craig234 is a misguided ideologue and not worth listening to IMO.

People like him can paint a picture all day and get it wrong.

Funny how he and people like him think Bush was the undoing of America while they have such silence about the Democrats.

Win!
 

Zebo

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Well voluntary is up for debate. If Vito "No Neck" comes into your business and guarantees that "accidents" won't happen if you pay him money, is that voluntary?

There were no threats made AFAIK. This is as simple as you ran over my lawn mower and agreed to pay for all damages. No court needed when you agree. If BP feels like it was not culpable they should have told Obama to "sue me" but they do feel responsible hence payment on Govt terms.
 

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Obviously, we need to elect some Republicans this November to give them a majority in the House and Senate. Then, in 2012, we'll get rid of Obama, and the country will go back to the Utopia that it was when the Republicans controlled everything.
 

Tom

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There is nothing "well regulated" about a POTUS that ignores a spill to advance a political agenda and puts a street beat down on a company outside of any court. There isn't even a cause for the spill and no court will be overseeing damages in Obama's effort. He just went thug yo - know what I'm sayin?

Some deregulation has been bad I agree - and it was Clinton that gets blame for some of that (Glass Steagall etc)

You're completely and utterly wrong. The spill was not ignored, the Coast Guard has been working on it from day one. In case you didn't know, the Coast Guard is part of the Federal Government.

And if you had a lick of sense, you would know that BP is VERY HAPPY to get the publicity they are getting over the "$20 billion fund". It is money they will have to pay anyway, this way they look like they are being proactive rather than defensive.

And it wouldn't have been good for capitalism or democracy if the banking system or insurance system collapsed, and we need to maintain our industrial capacity for defense purposes, hence it makes no sense to let the auto industry collapse.

None of these are new developments, during ww2 most private enterprise was controlled by government, and the government managed those entities exceedingly well, winning the war for the allies, and leading to massive economic expansion after the war.

The government also managed or enabled western expansion, transcontinental railroads, air travel and cargo, all modes of transportation, electrification, communication of all types, on and on.

And the legal system is what makes capitalism possible.
 

MotF Bane

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Obviously, we need to elect some Republicans this November to give them a majority in the House and Senate. Then, in 2012, we'll get rid of Obama, and the country will go back to the Utopia that it was when the Republicans controlled everything.

No, what we need is to run both parties out of office.
 

jackschmittusa

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BP owes the money, and they know it. They voluntarily put it up.

Who else would have administered it without skimming a billion off the top for service fees? And we all know it will not go without a hitch distributing it, so there would be huge chunks going to lawyers defending the distributor as well. At least the government will disperse all of the money to people affected by the spill.

So far I've seen no alternative suggestion from those bitching about the government handling it. I only hear idiots that that seem to think BP should keep their money and force those that should be compensated to sue and give 1/3 to a lawyer. The result would either be less than fair compensation for those affected, or BP saddled with paying all the billions in legal fees in addition to the compensation. Screw the little guy, or screw the precious corporation. Lose/lose.

If there is a better solution, it's a big secret.